The Matrox dual head killer! at Comdex <$100!

[Hardware]

ATI Radeon VE !

with TWO 350 MHZ RAMDACS!!!

That simply blows away any Matrox dual head solution!

Perfect for me 2 X 22&quot; crt with 1600x1200x32@85Hz awesome!

 

[Vegito]

The ATI Killer... Appian Graphics.. Quad DACs... then again, G800 should have some comparable abilities..

Granted, the Matrox Dual is older compare to the current generations of video card... thats what the G800 is for...

 

[Czar]

Wow that just rules

To bad ATI cant make drivers.

 

[andylawcc]

better yet, Quantum3D's Voodoo5 6000, 4 chip, buy two more v5 5500 pci and you can get all the multi-monitor you want!

meanwhile, the VE is kinda crippled, its SDR, 128 bit bandwidth or DDR, 64 bit.. Radeon &quot;Normal&quot; SDR is pretty bad already compare to MX and V4.
however, I know, we are talking about 2D quality and not 3D performance....

 

[Hardware]

Its a perfect businesscard and with 2x350 ramdacs it simply blows matrox away!

 

[Vegito]

Sure everything new will blow the old away... you're like comparing a P3 to a P166.. of course a p3 can blow away a p166

 

[andylawcc]

forsheco: chill there buddy... as much as I hate Hardware for his anti-3dfxism , he does have a valid point.

no commerically-available (Applican maybe good, but can you buy it? and cheap?) gfx card can challenge Matrox supremacy in 2D quality and dualheadedness (sound sick)

I am sure ATI can flood the market with those VE like they did with the Rage Fury IamUltraPissedoff card....

 

[NFS4]

Yeah, Hardware DOES have a point. It's available AND cheap. Go ATi!!

 

[snow patrol]

Nice...

 

[superbaby]

Those zealots over a matroxusers.com won't have any argument anymore for DH

Matrox just got their most useful feature jacked

 

[Taz4158]

Wow that just rules

To bad ATI cant make drivers.

Too bad you base your judgement on old rather than new facts.

 

[dcdomain]

LOL... didn't some company before ATI have the dual display feature? I think it was called Twin Head.. Nvidia perhaps? Anyway, I'll still stick with Matrox... the first to have it, and the company with the most experience with it.

 

[NFS4]

<< Anyway, I'll still stick with Matrox... the first to have it, and the company with the most experience with it. >>


Isuzu was the first company to put a driver's side airbag in an import car (Stylus) here in America, but that doesn't make it the best. In fact, the Stylus died an early death... *hint* *hint*

 

[andylawcc]

how ironic that after superbaby said this:
Those zealots over a matroxusers.com won't have any argument anymore for DH
dcdomain replies..

 

[Vegito]

I have 3 appian cards along with my g400, cl tnt2, and v3 3k.

I stop owning ati when they cant release decent drivers, but they seem to fix that with Raedons

 

[ArkAoss]

HEY DOESNT ANY BODY READ THE NEWS??? ATI worked with appian on the VE people!!!, and thats under 100 bux? how much ram on that thing, or only at comdex, danm i hate livin on the east coast.
I'd like to see a AIW VE with dual head, ddr ram, and after i sold my car to get it, i'd never need to leave, but i'd like to see mobo's with dual agp slots, cause i want to go to dual monitor, but not on one good card and one cheap, i think the voodoo 3 2000 is the best 3dfx card out their, even if it can only get half a frame per second on any thing over 16 bit color

 

[Stringy]

Having DualHead capabilities is one thing...
Having DualHead features is another... I have Yet to read ATi state that their
new VE can do something like DVDMax, ZOOM, etc.. I'm sure they can do the easy
Extended Desktop or the Clone Desktop displays, but the other more advanced
uses haven't been mentioned...

On another note, it'll be Interesting to see if the Driver guru's over at ATi
can get thier DualHead support under Win2k... As Matrox has been saying for a
while now that it is a Microsoft Limitation...

[update] To clarify, having the Ability to have Seperate Res. in Win2k and have
the same kind of operation that you get under win9x....

Though ATi and Win2k seem to be on a Time delay, prolly won't have Win2k drivers
at release...



Craig

 

[Priit]

Hmm I just sold my ATI card (Rage 128 Pro) simply because it's 2D sucked soooooooooo bad and 3D was damn slow ! It will take some time before I even think about buying something from that company again. Radeon to me is just as good as $5 ISA Trident cause it's not supported by XFree86. Matrox's linux support rocks, Nvidia is also pretty good. ATI is just... ATI

 

[ArkAoss]

Yet again, if you frequented half a news source you'd know that they have the drivers available on their website before they have the card available for sale on their site. this is another radeon product, the product line that will force 3dfx and NVIDIA to rethink their stratagys, ATI has been the only company in laptops and in oem systems for years, I have yet to see an oem system like compaq or dell even, that on their low end (graphix wise) systems that hasnt been ati. Now that ati's hi end card's are being put out with decent drivers, 3dfx (whom is already begining to flounder) and NVIDIA are gonna have to work, it'll be interesting the next few qtrs video card wise.

 

[Stringy]

<< Yet again, if you frequented half a news source you'd know that they have the drivers available on their website before they have the card available for sale on their site. this is another radeon product, the product line that will force 3dfx and NVIDIA to rethink their stratagys, ATI has been the only company in laptops and in oem systems for years, I have yet to see an oem system like compaq or dell even, that on their low end (graphix wise) systems that hasnt been ati. Now that ati's hi end card's are being put out with decent drivers, 3dfx (whom is already begining to flounder) and NVIDIA are gonna have to work, it'll be interesting the next few qtrs video card wise. >>



So then you think there is no Extra driver coding needed for Dualhead operation??
I know the chipset will be supported under Win2k, I was refering to it's Dual head
capabilities...



Craig

 

[ArkAoss]

i've got an AIW 8mb pci ancient, 2 years old, maybe 3, i was doing dual head on that a year ago, but then i had a voodoo 3 2k and i wanted the 3d performance, and they aiw wouldnt take second stage to the voodoo to continue doing dual head so it's been sitting dormant for a while

or do you mean dual head on one card, the RAGE maxx was 2 chips to one out, not much change for 2 chips to 2 heads, and if judgeing by how good the radeon drivers are proves that ati has gotten its head out of its mule, then they can pull it off. And if the APPIAN PRESS RELEASE was acurate and believable they worked out the driver together already, so ATI has got to be ready. And the offerings will be quite spectacular

edit was puting in the right name for the rage maxx

 

[seewhy]

The RADEON VE chip is a mainstream derivative of the award winning RADEON Graphics Processing Unit (GPU). RADEON VE leverages many of the strengths of the high performance RADEON GPU, but has been specifically designed for the mainstream market.

Translation: Radeon VE = Crippled Radeon with Crappy 3D
Power Users use dual monitor
Power Users use windows 2K
Radeon got crappy windows 2k driver
Radeon's first attempt at dual monitor (Driver issues??)

Add these factors together, is it going to be that much better than Matrox 400 Max? It is supposed to be launched by Feb 2001 MSRP at $120. But based on ATI's reputation of not having the best driver supports, I don't think its first generation offering will be that good for Win2k user like me. So the wait for perfect dual monitor card continues....

By the way, why the hell these card company assume that people use dual monitor don't play game. I don't mind paying $200+ for a full powered Geforce2 GTS/Radeon with dual display function! But they have to use MX/VE version for dual monitor support.

 

[superbaby]

andylawcc... what?

I too would never buy an ATI product, their driver support is just horrible but I'm sure their hardware has merits. What I hope this does is wake up Matrox, they have been far far too complacent and it's time to get some new and improved stuff coming out...

We use ATI graphics adapters at work and while they work, they are so painfully slow. Scrolling through code is very laggy and at high resolutions my eyes start to water :|

 

[GTaudiophile]

You all sound worse than Al Gore's spin machine!

I have a Radeon 32DDR and the drivers are pretty much flawless. My system runs better now with a Radeon than it did with a TNT2-Ultra. My TV Tuner works fine now, when it didn't with my TNT2-Ultra. IE and Windows all work smoother than before with my Radeon. As far as I am concerned, the Radeon drivers (3056) are far superior to the Det. 3 drivers I used with my TNT2U.

The Radeon absolutely kicks ass; the 3D quality is amazing. You GF2GTS owners are just pissed because you dropped $250 on a videocard that sucks compared to one that costs $150. Get over it, or get a Radeon! Besides, nVidia leaks drivers more than anything, and that is why it seems that they come out with new drivers all the time. When did the Det. 3 drivers come out? nVidia releases official drivers as seldomly like the rest of the industry.

 

[Stringy]

<< or do you mean dual head on one card >>


Yes, that is what is so new with this Radeon VE, Dual Monitor setups have
been around for ages... so has Miltichip Dual monitor cards, This is unique
because of One Chip, one Card...


<< the RAGE maxx was 2 chips to one out, not much change for 2 chips to 2 heads >>


Yea, And the Maxx had seperate drivers, not to mention it had a Serious Limitation...
it wouldn't work under 2k I beleive.... I don't think you wanna compare their new VE
board to the Driver disaster such as the Maxx...

time will tell.. this thing won't be out for a little bit anyways...




Craig