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The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden... Is Screwed

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This just irritates me in the way that the writer of this article seems to believe that this person deserves treatment above and beyond what other people who gave their service to this country receive.

My initial reaction seeing this article was to think "Wow, is this guy some sort of Prima Donna?" That's my impression. I'd rather think of him as an American hero.

I'm sure he will rack up millions on the book he is writing.
 
EagleKeeper said:
when did it come back?

I do not think the Navy is as overloaded as the Army and Marines are.

If people come back into the reserves; can they then qualify for the 15 yr mark? 😛
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"could" being you could be allowed early retirement if you are QSP'ed, not QMP'ed. You have to fall into a certain category.

A SSG with 15 yrs service in an MOS at 140% strength with their follow on rank being 120% yet he has no prior article 15's, passes the PT test and Height/Weight would likely be QSP'ed. They can request to not be removed from service and it would be brought up to their CoC if they would be allowed to stay. They could also simply change MOS's late in their carrer but frankly if it was me I'd probably take early retirement if the numbers looked reasonable.

QMP'ed is where you have your bad annual ratings, range failures, PT failures, etc forced out with nothing to show for it.

It's a result of the downsizing and not screwing over quality people who were attempting 20.

There is no 15 year anyone can retire system if that is what you are asking. At least not yet, they are talking about changing it to a 401k based system and after 1-20 years you wouldnt get your pension you would just be get a nice retirement fund when you are 65 based on how many years you served. They are trying to align it more with civilians. Anyone who has over 10 years whenever they do it wouldn't be effected though thank god. It would be fine for new recruits seeing as how if they only want to do 12 for whatever reason they would be compensated for those years in some fashion instead of getting out with nothing.
 
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nextJin said:
"could" being you could be allowed early retirement if you are QSP'ed, not QMP'ed. You have to fall into a certain category.

A SSG with 15 yrs service in an MOS at 140% strength with their follow on rank being 120% yet he has no prior article 15's, passes the PT test and Height/Weight would likely be QSP'ed. They can request to not be removed from service and it would be brought up to their CoC if they would be allowed to stay. They could also simply change MOS's late in their carrer but frankly if it was me I'd probably take early retirement if the numbers looked reasonable.

QMP'ed is where you have your bad annual ratings, range failures, PT failures, etc forced out with nothing to show for it.

It's a result of the downsizing and not screwing over quality people who were attempting 20.

There is no 15 year anyone can retire system if that is what you are asking. At least not yet, they are talking about changing it to a 401k based system and after 1-20 years you wouldnt get your pension you would just be get a nice retirement fund when you are 65 based on how many years you served. They are trying to align it more with civilians. Anyone who has over 10 years whenever they do it wouldn't be effected though thank god. It would be fine for new recruits seeing as how if they only want to do 12 for whatever reason they would be compensated for those years in some fashion instead of getting out with nothing.
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Fuck that system.
 
TallBill said:
Fuck that system.
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That's exactly what a few hundred thousand soldiers said to their congressmen a few years ago when there were hearings on it. It was pretty much changed overnight to allow people currently serving to be "grandfathered" in.

Most of us were talking about the major issues that would come up if they converted those Soldiers with 12 years of service into a 401k with INDEF on their ERBs. Alot of Senior NCO's would get out and there would be a significant leadership shortage.
 
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nextJin said:
That's exactly what a few hundred thousand soldiers said to their congressmen a few years ago when there were hearings on it. It was pretty much changed overnight to allow people currently serving to be "grandfathered" in.

Most of us were talking about the major issues that would come up if they converted those Soldiers with 12 years of service into a 401k with INDEF on their ERBs. Alot of Senior NCO's would get out and there would be a significant leadership shortage.
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Shit I'm going back active soon after being out, hopefully get a contract this week. A new system would pretty much ensure that I wouldn't do 20.
 
TallBill said:
Shit I'm going back active soon after being out, hopefully get a contract this week. A new system would pretty much ensure that I wouldn't do 20.
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It's a ways off still, but good luck with your enlistment. It's pretty hard for prior service to get back in now with all the downsizing. You'll probably have to wait for a priority 3 slot to open in a few months.
 
nextJin said:
It's a ways off still, but good luck with your enlistment. It's pretty hard for prior service to get back in now with all the downsizing. You'll probably have to wait for a priority 3 slot to open in a few months.
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Nope. Already got grade determination waiver to come back as an e5, I'm actuality waiting on a medical consult of all things. I said that I had prk, oddly enough done by the army, and I had eye test results from one month ago. But because I didn't have pre_ surgery info I waited three weeks to spend 7 hours on a 10 minute eye appointment. That was a week ago. Gotta love government lol. So whenever a doctor decides to read the new test which shows that my vision is amazing, I'll go sign a contract. Hopefully soon!!
 
TallBill said:
Nope. Already got grade determination waiver to come back as an e5, I'm actuality waiting on a medical consult of all things. I said that I had prk, oddly enough done by the army, and I had eye test results from one month ago. But because I didn't have pre_ surgery info I waited three weeks to spend 7 hours on a 10 minute eye appointment. That was a week ago. Gotta love government lol. So whenever a doctor decides to read the new test which shows that my vision is amazing, I'll go sign a contract. Hopefully soon!!
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Grats, what MOS?
 
This dude does sound a little off with the whole never wanting to touch another gun in civilian or professional life again. That will limit his options although some low level executive position @ a DoD contractor should be pretty easy to get with his leadership experience. GL and god speed.
 
TallBill said:
Shit I'm going back active soon after being out, hopefully get a contract this week. A new system would pretty much ensure that I wouldn't do 20.
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Wish I could come back into the reserves for a year or two and then out. 15 yrs reserve retirement in the officer pay scale 🙂
 
Zebo said:
His family still doesn't so they are half right.
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The article days he has a disability claim, so he could still get approved for a pension from that, and if he dies from it his family would get free healthcare and income for life.
 
benzylic said:
Heres an article that agrees with what most here were saying about the pension and VA benefits in the original article.

The author of the Esquire piece said that there wasnt enough room in the article to explain why he wasnt getting any benefits.

http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-ru...illed-bin-laden-is-denied-healthcare-1.207506
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So the author knew the vet was eligible for healthcare and other benefits, but because the vet (claims he) didn't know about these benefits, the author simply wrote that the vet got nothing?!? That's completely disingenuous. And how could this vet, who's smart enough to be a SEAL, not know about his options via the VA? The VA is spending millions on outreach - sending VA counselors to give pre-discharge briefings, direct mail, advertising on military bases, etc. This article is such poor journalism.
 
Mursilis said:
So the author knew the vet was eligible for healthcare and other benefits, but because the vet (claims he) didn't know about these benefits, the author simply wrote that the vet got nothing?!? That's completely disingenuous. And how could this vet, who's smart enough to be a SEAL, not know about his options via the VA? The VA is spending millions on outreach - sending VA counselors to give pre-discharge briefings, direct mail, advertising on military bases, etc. This article is such poor journalism.
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Seriously. If you're too ignorant to take advantage of your benefits you can't complain about being screwed.
 
benzylic said:
Heres an article that agrees with what most here were saying about the pension and VA benefits in the original article.

The author of the Esquire piece said that there wasnt enough room in the article to explain why he wasnt getting any benefits.

http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-ru...illed-bin-laden-is-denied-healthcare-1.207506
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Mursilis said:
So the author knew the vet was eligible for healthcare and other benefits, but because the vet (claims he) didn't know about these benefits, the author simply wrote that the vet got nothing?!? That's completely disingenuous. And how could this vet, who's smart enough to be a SEAL, not know about his options via the VA? The VA is spending millions on outreach - sending VA counselors to give pre-discharge briefings, direct mail, advertising on military bases, etc. This article is such poor journalism.
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This seems BS - all the fluff and not enough room for one line?

The author wanted the sob story.

Also, I doubt that any service member with more than 5-6 years is not aware of the VA and VA benefits for healthcare.
 
EagleKeeper said:
This seems BS - all the fluff and not enough room for one line?

The author wanted the sob story.

Also, I doubt that any service member with more than 5-6 years is not aware of the VA and VA benefits for healthcare.
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Not to mention TAPS class that every separating enlisted member is required to take, which specifically tells you about VA benefits.
 
Zebo said:
This dude does sound a little off with the whole never wanting to touch another gun in civilian or professional life again. That will limit his options although some low level executive position @ a DoD contractor should be pretty easy to get with his leadership experience. GL and god speed.
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Nah, I think thats fairly common for some soldiers. Ive got a friend who did 20 years as a staff sgt leading a Green Beret sniper team, and he's the same way. He's doing telecom now to keep him busy, and although has had many offers through the years (he retired in '92) he didnt want to go back to it.
 
Many still don't know their benefits. That's their fault though, it takes forever to get out and Officers have to take TAP/TAMP too. I don't know how pissed off at the Navy and the world he was though. I saw a lot of guys just sleep/slime their way through it all just to get as far away from the Marines as possible and never listened to any of it.

Then there are tons of calls and letters explaining your benefits.

Hell, the VA sent me emails at work and home with easy links to signing up for VA health insurance. Free for 5 years for everyone that was in combat. This article is so full of shit or this guy was only ever good at pulling a trigger, and I really doubt that.
 
TallBill said:
Shit I'm going back active soon after being out, hopefully get a contract this week. A new system would pretty much ensure that I wouldn't do 20.
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Sweet christ, why? I thought you were making good money as a bartender?

I happened to wind up on a bus from the HLZ to the main base at JAAF several months ago, on the day that the BDE CDR was doing his REFRAD counselings. A SFC on the bus was shocked that there were ~10 CPTs trying to get out of the Army. Some of the comments were, "As long as I have health insurance, I'll flip burgers for a living," and "I'd rather live in a cardboard box than keep doing this."
 
He quit 4 years short of retirement, when he could have had literally any job in the Navy. He didn't have to go back to war if he didn't want to, he could have chilled out in on an Admiral's staff, or at SOCOM, or training other people at Coronado.
 
Nebor said:
He quit 4 years short of retirement, when he could have had literally any job in the Navy. He didn't have to go back to war if he didn't want to, he could have chilled out in on an Admiral's staff, or at SOCOM, or training other people at Coronado.
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His status within the military would be one level below the MOH.

Pick of his billets.
 
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