The making of the terror myth

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The making of the terror myth

Since September 11 Britain has been warned of the 'inevitability' of catastrophic terrorist attack. But has the danger been exaggerated? A major new TV documentary claims that the perceived threat is a politically driven fantasy - and al-Qaida a dark illusion. Andy Beckett reports

Friday October 15, 2004
The Guardian

Since the attacks on the United States in September 2001, there have been more than a thousand references in British national newspapers, working out at almost one every single day, to the phrase "dirty bomb". There have been articles about how such a device can use ordinary explosives to spread lethal radiation; about how London would be evacuated in the event of such a detonation; about the Home Secretary David Blunkett's statement on terrorism in November 2002 that specifically raised the possibility of a dirty bomb being planted in Britain; and about the arrests of several groups of people, the latest only last month, for allegedly plotting exactly that.

Starting next Wednesday, BBC2 is to broadcast a three-part documentary series that will add further to what could be called the dirty bomb genre. But, as its title suggests, The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear takes a different view of the weapon's potential.

"I don't think it would kill anybody," says Dr Theodore Rockwell, an authority on radiation, in an interview for the series. "You'll have trouble finding a serious report that would claim otherwise." The American department of energy, Rockwell continues, has simulated a dirty bomb explosion, "and they calculated that the most exposed individual would get a fairly high dose [of radiation], not life-threatening." And even this minor threat is open to question. The test assumed that no one fled the explosion for one year.

During the three years in which the "war on terror" has been waged, high-profile challenges to its assumptions have been rare. The sheer number of incidents and warnings connected or attributed to the war has left little room, it seems, for heretical thoughts. In this context, the central theme of The Power of Nightmares is riskily counter-intuitive and provocative. Much of the currently perceived threat from international terrorism, the series argues, "is a fantasy that has been exaggerated and distorted by politicians. It is a dark illusion that has spread unquestioned through governments around the world, the security services, and the international media." The series' explanation for this is even bolder: "In an age when all the grand ideas have lost credibility, fear of a phantom enemy is all the politicians have left to maintain their power."

Adam Curtis, who wrote and produced the series, acknowledges the difficulty of saying such things now. "If a bomb goes off, the fear I have is that everyone will say, 'You're completely wrong,' even if the incident doesn't touch my argument. This shows the way we have all become trapped, the way even I have become trapped by a fear that is completely irrational."


So controversial is the tone of his series, that trailers for it were not broadcast last weekend because of the killing of Kenneth Bigley. At the BBC, Curtis freely admits, there are "anxieties". But there is also enthusiasm for the programmes, in part thanks to his reputation. Over the past dozen years, via similarly ambitious documentary series such as Pandora's Box, The Mayfair Set and The Century of the Self, Curtis has established himself as perhaps the most acclaimed maker of serious television programmes in Britain. His trademarks are long research, the revelatory use of archive footage, telling interviews, and smooth, insistent voiceovers concerned with the unnoticed deeper currents of recent history, narrated by Curtis himself in tones that combine traditional BBC authority with something more modern and sceptical: "I want to try to make people look at things they think they know about in a new way."

The Power of Nightmares seeks to overturn much of what is widely believed about Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida. The latter, it argues, is not an organised international network. It does not have members or a leader. It does not have "sleeper cells". It does not have an overall strategy. In fact, it barely exists at all, except as an idea about cleansing a corrupt world through religious violence.

Curtis' evidence for these assertions is not easily dismissed. He tells the story of Islamism, or the desire to establish Islam as an unbreakable political framework, as half a century of mostly failed, short-lived revolutions and spectacular but politically ineffective terrorism. Curtis points out that al-Qaida did not even have a name until early 2001, when the American government decided to prosecute Bin Laden in his absence and had to use anti-Mafia laws that required the existence of a named criminal organisation.

Curtis also cites the Home Office's own statistics for arrests and convictions of suspected terrorists since September 11 2001. Of the 664 people detained up to the end of last month, only 17 have been found guilty. Of these, the majority were Irish Republicans, Sikh militants or members of other groups with no connection to Islamist terrorism. Nobody has been convicted who is a proven member of al-Qaida.

In fact, Curtis is not alone in wondering about all this. Quietly but increasingly, other observers of the war on terror have been having similar doubts. "The grand concept of the war has not succeeded," says Jonathan Eyal, director of the British military thinktank the Royal United Services Institute. "In purely military terms, it has been an inconclusive war ... a rather haphazard operation. Al-Qaida managed the most spectacular attack, but clearly it is also being sustained by the way that we rather cavalierly stick the name al-Qaida on Iraq, Indonesia, the Philippines. There is a long tradition that if you divert all your resources to a threat, then you exaggerate it."

Bill Durodie, director of the international centre for security analysis at King's College London, says: "The reality [of the al-Qaida threat to the west] has been essentially a one-off. There has been one incident in the developed world since 9/11 [the Madrid bombings]. There's no real evidence that all these groups are connected." Crispin Black, a senior government intelligence analyst until 2002, is more cautious but admits the terrorist threat presented by politicians and the media is "out of date and too one-dimensional. We think there is a bit of a gulf between the terrorists' ambition and their ability to pull it off."

Terrorism, by definition, depends on an element of bluff. Yet ever since terrorists in the modern sense of the term (the word terrorism was actually coined to describe the strategy of a government, the authoritarian French revolutionary regime of the 1790s) began to assassinate politicians and then members of the public during the 19th century, states have habitually overreacted. Adam Roberts, professor of international relations at Oxford, says that governments often believe struggles with terrorists "to be of absolute cosmic significance", and that therefore "anything goes" when it comes to winning. The historian Linda Colley adds: "States and their rulers expect to monopolise violence, and that is why they react so virulently to terrorism."

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arsbanned

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But.. but, we're supposed to be afraid, be very afraid! And go shopping. Shopping and abject fear go together so well, don't you think?
 
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B..b..b..but, why go shopping?

Oh, I know why. The end of America is near. If Bush is re-elected the entire country will entirely disintegrate in 4 years or less and flush itself straight down the ol' hellhole. The smart folks need to go shopping to pick up dried meats, canned goods, batteries (for listening to Air America) and, of course, placards and spray paint in case things get real hairy and they need to ward off the repug zombie throng.
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
B..b..b..but, why go shopping?

Oh, I know why. The end of America is near. If Bush is re-elected the entire country will entirely disintegrate in 4 years or less and flush itself straight down the ol' hellhole. The smart folks need to go shopping to pick up dried meats, canned goods, batteries (for listening to Air America) and, of course, placards and spray paint in case things get real hairy and they need to ward off the repug zombie throng.

B...b...but if you vote for Kerry the terrarists will kill you. So be a nice guy and do what the Bushies tells you to "go shopping" (thank you Sir Rudy) and ""get down to Disney World in Florida. Take your families and enjoy life, the way we want it to be enjoyed." -- President George W. Bush :p
 
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Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
B..b..b..but, why go shopping?

Oh, I know why. The end of America is near. If Bush is re-elected the entire country will entirely disintegrate in 4 years or less and flush itself straight down the ol' hellhole. The smart folks need to go shopping to pick up dried meats, canned goods, batteries (for listening to Air America) and, of course, placards and spray paint in case things get real hairy and they need to ward off the repug zombie throng.

B...b...but if you vote for Kerry the terrarists will kill you. So be a nice guy and do what the Bushies tells you to "go shopping" (thank you Sir Rudy) and ""get down to Disney World in Florida. Take your families and enjoy life, the way we want it to be enjoyed." -- President George W. Bush :p
Kerry wanted to go to Disney World but apparently was miffed at the lack of a Cambodia pavillion at EPCOT.
 

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Republicans and middle Americans love being scared. They are fear-addicts. These are the same people that built those absurd fallout shelters in their backyards. They're constantly in search of someone to fear and hate. Oops, now it's Iraqis. Sucks for them.
 

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The threat posed by US terrorism to the security of nations and individuals was outlined in prophetic detail in a document written more than two years ago and disclosed only recently. What was needed for America to dominate much of humanity and the world?s resources, it said, was ?some catastrophic and catalysing event ? like a new Pearl Harbor?. The attacks of 11 September 2001 provided the ?new Pearl Harbor?, described as ?the opportunity of ages?. The extremists who have since exploited 11 September come from the era of Ronald Reagan, when far-right groups and ?think-tanks? were established to avenge the American ?defeat? in Vietnam. In the 1990s, there was an added agenda: to justify the denial of a ?peace dividend? following the cold war. The Project for the New American Century was formed, along with the American Enterprise Institute, the Hudson Institute and others that have since merged the ambitions of the Reagan administration with those of the current Bush regime.

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Go shopping and while you are picking up your new Hummer, buy more duct tape! And plenty of petroleum products! Code Fuschia!!!
 

cwjerome

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There just aint no winning. If there's another major attack then the administration is inept and are are a bunch of idiots. If we don't get attacked the threat was exagerrated by those evil fear-mongers.

I would happily tell any person who says the world is overreacting to terrorism to go to hell- in their face, and the closer the better. I have no time for the whiny, cynical pukes who appease and embolden evil and put innocent people in unnecessary risk. One can only wish that if and when terrorists do strike, there's great irony in who they murder.
 

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
There just aint no winning. If there's another major attack then the administration is inept and are are a bunch of idiots. If we don't get attacked the threat was exagerrated by those evil fear-mongers.

Nice false dillemma. The administration can do plenty to stop future terrorist attacks without attacking wrong countries and screaming 'terrsts' at every chance. You can try and pretend there are only two options: go completely nuts and attack everyone or do nothing, but the truth is there are other middlegrounds.
 

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From what I've seen from you and others, infohawk, there is NO middle ground... it's all bad for Bush, all the time and all good for Kerry all the time.

I don't see any false dilemmas, I didn't even imply there's only two solutions. Mine was a comment that no matter what Bush does, it will be ripped... simply because it's Bush doing it.
 

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Just a quick question for you on the views of Terrorism. Have you talked to any of the WTC survivors, what about the survivors of the airplane attacks in DC? Oh wait a minute that is when we all came together and wanted the president to take action and were displeased because he took so long. The sad fact remains, what we have learned is that the terrorist will use any means to get their point heard. Might I remind you that this has never happened before, not in any country. In hindsight it is easy to sit here and cast judgment about what Bush did. Anyone can do that, the true test of character would be What would you have done knowing only what Bush knew at the time.
Let me guess, dig for more support and intel, I think not we would have all attacked and not thought twice about it...
 

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
From what I've seen from you and others, infohawk, there is NO middle ground... it's all bad for Bush, all the time and all good for Kerry all the time.

I don't see any false dilemmas, I didn't even imply there's only two solutions. Mine was a comment that no matter what Bush does, it will be ripped... simply because it's Bush doing it.

People do not hate Bushs' decisions becasue it is Bush making them.
It is the choices he makes people hate. And, you screw enough people while baldface lying to them well,
the rest is history.
I for one NEVER wanted to feel such distrust and loathing for my government.
But then I never wanted the world to be in such a state that Bush has put us in.
 

AndrewR

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The "terror myth":

A VERY short list...
Aldo Moro assassination, 1979
Marine barracks bombing, 1983
Rome and Vienna airport attacks by Abu Nidal, 1985
WTC, 1993
African embassy bombings, 1998
USS Cole, 2000
9/11, 2001
Bali club bombing, 2002
JW Marriott bombing in Jakarta, 2003
Madrid train bombings, 2004
Manila ferry bombing, 2004
Beslan hostage taking with 200+ children killed in Russia, 2004
Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta, 2004
Indonesian Embassy bombing in Paris, 2004

Ongoing terrorist campaigns:
Chechnya, Russia
Mindinao, Philippines
Colombia
Punjab and Kashmir, India
Iraq

The most lethal myth in history.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
The "terror myth":

A VERY short list...
Aldo Moro assassination, 1979
Marine barracks bombing, 1983
Rome and Vienna airport attacks by Abu Nidal, 1985
WTC, 1993
African embassy bombings, 1998
USS Cole, 2000
9/11, 2001
Bali club bombing, 2002
JW Marriott bombing in Jakarta, 2003
Madrid train bombings, 2004
Manila ferry bombing, 2004
Beslan hostage taking with 200+ children killed in Russia, 2004
Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta, 2004
Indonesian Embassy bombing in Paris, 2004

Ongoing terrorist campaigns:
Chechnya, Russia
Mindinao, Philippines
Colombia
Punjab and Kashmir, India
Iraq

The most lethal myth in history.

Divided by the number of events that have happened since 1979 = zero

 

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
From what I've seen from you and others, infohawk, there is NO middle ground... it's all bad for Bush, all the time and all good for Kerry all the time.

I don't see any false dilemmas, I didn't even imply there's only two solutions. Mine was a comment that no matter what Bush does, it will be ripped... simply because it's Bush doing it.

Nonsense! It will get ripped because it is wrong and Bush is almost always wrong. It's not some big conspiracy or wild partisanship. It's just a fact.
 

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
The "terror myth":

A VERY short list...
Aldo Moro assassination, 1979
Marine barracks bombing, 1983
Rome and Vienna airport attacks by Abu Nidal, 1985
WTC, 1993
African embassy bombings, 1998
USS Cole, 2000
9/11, 2001
Bali club bombing, 2002
JW Marriott bombing in Jakarta, 2003
Madrid train bombings, 2004
Manila ferry bombing, 2004
Beslan hostage taking with 200+ children killed in Russia, 2004
Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta, 2004
Indonesian Embassy bombing in Paris, 2004

Ongoing terrorist campaigns:
Chechnya, Russia
Mindinao, Philippines
Colombia
Punjab and Kashmir, India
Iraq

The most lethal myth in history.

How about you compare that to the number of homicides in the States in one year? Where should we place our priorities?
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: KevinH
Originally posted by: AndrewR
The "terror myth":

A VERY short list...
Aldo Moro assassination, 1979
Marine barracks bombing, 1983
Rome and Vienna airport attacks by Abu Nidal, 1985
WTC, 1993
African embassy bombings, 1998
USS Cole, 2000
9/11, 2001
Bali club bombing, 2002
JW Marriott bombing in Jakarta, 2003
Madrid train bombings, 2004
Manila ferry bombing, 2004
Beslan hostage taking with 200+ children killed in Russia, 2004
Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta, 2004
Indonesian Embassy bombing in Paris, 2004

Ongoing terrorist campaigns:
Chechnya, Russia
Mindinao, Philippines
Colombia
Punjab and Kashmir, India
Iraq

The most lethal myth in history.

How about you compare that to the number of homicides in the States in one year? Where should we place our priorities?

We already have thousands of police, investigators, prosecutors, judges, and correctional officers involved in handling homicides and their perpetrators. Are you advocating that we ignore terrorism simply because there are other problems as well? That's one of the more inane arguments I've heard on here in awhile, and that's saying something when you consider the likes of Moonbeam floating around.
 

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"In an age when all the grand ideas have lost credibility, fear of a phantom enemy is all the politicians have left to maintain their power."

That about sums up this administration's campaign tactics.
 

Jhhnn

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From cwjerome-

I would happily tell any person who says the world is overreacting to terrorism to go to hell- in their face, and the closer the better. I have no time for the whiny, cynical pukes who appease and embolden evil and put innocent people in unnecessary risk. One can only wish that if and when terrorists do strike, there's great irony in who they murder.

Well, sir, it's not the world who's overreacting to terrorism, it's mostly the US. That overreaction is a carefully calculated ploy by those currently in power, a grandstand play being pitched to fear, ignorance and blind loyalty. It's a tool, a method of using the tragic events of 9/11 for totally unrelated purposes, and a way of avoiding examination of the roots of Islamic terrorism. Those roots are very unflattering to ourselves, and to some of our supposed friends and allies.

If you really had no time for the whiny cynical pukes who appease and embolden evil, then you'd probably be very much against the policies of the Bush Admin, and also the Reagan Admin before them.

What is the philosophical basis for Islamic terrorism? Wahabbism, the movement that brought Saud to power 80 years ago, and has been accepted and financed by his descendants ever since. 15 of the 9/11 attackers were Saudis, some provided with stipends by the royal family. The majority of Al Qaeda leadership was Saudi. Their financing was Saudi in origin. Yet the bush admin seeks rather desperately to avoid recognition of this. When Al Qaeda states that the reason for the 9/11 attack was the presence of US troops on Saudi soil, the Bush Admin rather promptly removes those troops... attacking Iraq, whose government and religious institutions had nothing to do with 9/11. Talk about appeasement...

What is the basis for terrorist sympathy in the Islamic realm? The ongoing US supported Israeli occupation and expropriation of the West Bank and Gaza. Add the direct US occupation of Iraq, as well. The Bush roadmap to peace was nothing more than bait and switch. When the Israelis declared open season on Palestinian leadership, the Bush Admin did absolutely nothing about it. As the expropriation of Palestinian resources continues, the Bush Admin does nothing, other than approve the sales of more high tech weaponry to Israel. Talk about emboldening evil...

What forces created the Taliban? Saudi sponsored madrasses in Pakistani refugee camps for Afghans, and CIA provided radical textbooks... Along with some homegrown beloved patriot radicalism, and lots of US supplied weapons and training, all during the Reagan years...

Not to mention our meddling in Iran, and the unconditional support for the Shah, nor the trash-talking rhetoric directed against the current regime...

If the WoT were real, we'd be spending more on it than on the conquest of Iraq, and probably would have raised taxes to do it, too... and we'd probably be seeking friends and allies among Islamic moderates, rather than driving them into the arms of the enemy...

Too complex? Yeh, I know it's not a simplistic slogan that fits ito a soundbite, doesn't give the listener that gut level rush of adrenaline that calls for R@ghead blood inspire so easily, doesn't distract from the looting of our nation's financial future.

 

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From cwjerome-

I would happily tell any person who says the world is overreacting to terrorism to go to hell- in their face, and the closer the better. I have no time for the whiny, cynical pukes who appease and embolden evil and put innocent people in unnecessary risk. One can only wish that if and when terrorists do strike, there's great irony in who they murder.

Well, sir, it's not the world who's overreacting to terrorism, it's mostly the US. That overreaction is a carefully calculated ploy by those currently in power, a grandstand play being pitched to fear, ignorance and blind loyalty. It's a tool, a method of using the tragic events of 9/11 for totally unrelated purposes, and a way of avoiding examination of the roots of Islamic terrorism. Those roots are very unflattering to ourselves, and to some of our supposed friends and allies.

If you really had no time for the whiny cynical pukes who appease and embolden evil, then you'd probably be very much against the policies of the Bush Admin, and also the Reagan Admin before them.

What is the philosophical basis for Islamic terrorism? Wahabbism, the movement that brought Saud to power 80 years ago, and has been accepted and financed by his descendants ever since. 15 of the 9/11 attackers were Saudis, some provided with stipends by the royal family. The majority of Al Qaeda leadership was Saudi. Their financing was Saudi in origin. Yet the bush admin seeks rather desperately to avoid recognition of this. When Al Qaeda states that the reason for the 9/11 attack was the presence of US troops on Saudi soil, the Bush Admin rather promptly removes those troops... attacking Iraq, whose government and religious institutions had nothing to do with 9/11. Talk about appeasement...

What is the basis for terrorist sympathy in the Islamic realm? The ongoing US supported Israeli occupation and expropriation of the West Bank and Gaza. Add the direct US occupation of Iraq, as well. The Bush roadmap to peace was nothing more than bait and switch. When the Israelis declared open season on Palestinian leadership, the Bush Admin did absolutely nothing about it. As the expropriation of Palestinian resources continues, the Bush Admin does nothing, other than approve the sales of more high tech weaponry to Israel. Talk about emboldening evil...

What forces created the Taliban? Saudi sponsored madrasses in Pakistani refugee camps for Afghans, and CIA provided radical textbooks... Along with some homegrown beloved patriot radicalism, and lots of US supplied weapons and training, all during the Reagan years...

Not to mention our meddling in Iran, and the unconditional support for the Shah, nor the trash-talking rhetoric directed against the current regime...

If the WoT were real, we'd be spending more on it than on the conquest of Iraq, and probably would have raised taxes to do it, too... and we'd probably be seeking friends and allies among Islamic moderates, rather than driving them into the arms of the enemy...

Too complex? Yeh, I know it's not a simplistic slogan that fits ito a soundbite, doesn't give the listener that gut level rush of adrenaline that calls for R@ghead blood inspire so easily, doesn't distract from the looting of our nation's financial future.
:thumbsup:

You have a way with words, sir. Kudos. Word for word, I think it's the best, most comprehensive summary I've seen exposing the "War on Terror". They networks should read it on the air, several times per night, every night between now and the elections. Maybe we could get America back on course as the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave".
 

cwjerome

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Jhhnn.... Well sir, I have studied the roots of Islamic terrorism and I am quite familiar with US policies for the last 30 years. In other topics that deal with the subject I am very critical of past US policies, but there's a little more to it than the simplistic blame-America for terrorism bullshit. Your post is exactly what I have been talking against though... if you think my ideas are too simplistic to fit into a sound bite, you yourself have failed to understand the deep arguments for why we face this today and what should be done about it.

You don't understand that the roots aren't about the Shah of Iran, they aren't about the formation of Israel... it goes back hundreds and hundreds of years. We aren't the Great Satan because of the Shah... that was just the RESULT of our being the Great Satan. We aren't the Great Satan because of Israel, we supposrt Israel BECAUSE we are the Great Satan. You are ignorant, and it's the blind ramblings such as yours that have helped to create the problems we face today and will only make things worse. You do not have the knowledge and the courage to see things for what they are, and therefore your prescriptions will only lead to suicide.

Oh, and if you think the terrorists had solid justification before what they did on 9/11 -which is what you seem to imply- then I would consider you no better than those animals and hopefully you will get what you deserve someday :)