The Maersk Alabama is . . .

[Perknose]

Inspired by this exchange in "another" thread:

Originally posted by: FaaR

Originally posted by: feralkidThe Maersk Alabama is an American flagged ship.

So a Corvette Stingray with Russian plates is a Russian car then? lol!

The flag under which a ship sails is basically just a technicality; Maersk is still a Danish company, thus making it a Danish ship.

Two can play this game, noob:

So a Dane owning a Porsche makes Porsche a Danish car?

Because, it turns out, the Maersk Alabama was built by a German company, Flender Werft AG.

I suspected Denmark didn't have the industrial infrastructure to support a commercially viable builder of large ships.

Further documentation that the Maersk is indeed, an American ship crewed entirely by Americans and controlled by a company whose board of directors is 100%
Americans.

Maersk Line, Limited is based in Norfolk, Virginia, and is one of the Department of Defense's primary shipping contractors.

[...]

Maersk Line, Limited, a subsidiary of Denmark's A.P. Moller/Maersk A.S., is independently controlled by a board of directors comprised entirely of U.S. citizens.

And there you have it, the rest of the non-story!

FaaR, consider your nits picked! :laugh:

 

[FlashG]

Thanks for clearing that up?

 

[mugs]

This warrants an additional thread?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: FlashG
Thanks for clearing that up?

I sincerely doubt anything was cleared up.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: mugs
This warrants an additional thread?

Perhaps more than one. I fully expect this one to be locked after it exceeds 300 posts.

 

[FaaR]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Two can play this game, noob:

You really think namecalling is a good way to start off a thread, particulary coming from a board moderator? If so, I suppose it takes one to know one, bub.

Because, it turns out, the Maersk Alabama was built by a German company, Flender Werft AG.

I knew you'd bring this up...and you'd definitely have a point there too, if ships had brand names instead of being contractually built on order.

Maersk Line, Limited, a subsidiary of Denmark's A.P. Moller/Maersk A.S.

There it is, in black and white even. Can it be any plainer?

FaaR, consider your nits picked! :laugh:

Looks like I get the last laugh! :laugh:

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: FaaR

Originally posted by: feralkid

The Maersk Alabama is an American flagged ship.

So a Corvette Stingray with Russian plates is a Russian car then? lol!

The flag under which a ship sails is basically just a technicality; Maersk is still a Danish company, thus making it a Danish ship.

Golly gosh... Does that means the American captain and crew are all secret closet Danes? :Q

Now that I think about it, maybe that also means that Hamlet was secretly a British prince. Here, I thought he was Danish, but Shakespear, sneaky Brit that he was, built the legend of him and Elsinore Castle by writing his plays in England.

FaaR, consider your nits picked! :laugh:

And it's a bumper crop. :laugh:

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: FaaR

Originally posted by: Perknose
Two can play this game, noob:

You really think namecalling is a good way to start off a thread, particulary coming from a board moderator? If so, I suppose it takes one to know one, bub.

Because, it turns out, the Maersk Alabama was built by a German company, Flender Werft AG.

I knew you'd bring this up...and you'd definitely have a point there too, if ships had brand names instead of being contractually built on order.

Maersk Line, Limited, a subsidiary of Denmark's A.P. Moller/Maersk A.S.

There it is, in black and white even. Can it be any plainer?

FaaR, consider your nits picked! :laugh:

Looks like I get the last laugh! :laugh:

The entire thrust of my OP was to point and snicker at your earnest nit-picking, but, WHOOSH!

Welcome to P&N, Mr. 9 post no0b!

Everyone, including me, takes themselves way too seriously here.

You'll fit right in!

 

[Cattlegod]

what does any of this have to do with the issue? the issue was the fact that an american was captured. who cares what boat he worked on or what company he worked for.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
what does any of this have to do with the issue? the issue was the fact that an american was captured. who cares what boat he worked on or what company he worked for.

because this is debate class mofo. Bring yo debate. I'll start. This captain isn't american he is european descent so its europes problem. see?

 

[FaaR]

Originally posted by: PerknoseThe entire thrust of my OP was to point and snicker at your earnest nit-picking, but, WHOOSH!

Aw geez, it wasn't a nitpick, I'd just thought I'd clarify a technicality for those who mistakenly assumed that just because the captain was an american/liberated by US troops automatically meant it was...oh, whatever. Nevermind!

Welcome to P&N, Mr. 9 post no0b!

Hey, I resent that! I've got at least 13 posts by now!

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Golly gosh... Does that means the American captain and crew are all secret closet Danes? :Q

After the way they fought off the pirates I would call them Great Danes

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

After the way they fought off the pirates I would call them Great Danes

And not bad Americans, either.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Those pirates should have known better than to pick on the Maersk Alabama; they should have waited for the Maersk New Jersey, or mayhaps the Maersk Iowa or Maersk Indiana...

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
what does any of this have to do with the issue? the issue was the fact that an american was captured. who cares what boat he worked on or what company he worked for.

because this is debate class mofo. Bring yo debate. I'll start. This captain isn't american he is european descent so its europes problem. see?

america came from the europeans, therefore europeans are americans. this means it is europe's and america's problem, which is why the french have also intervened in a previous altercation.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Those pirates should have known better than to pick on the Maersk Alabama; they should have waited for the Maersk New Jersey, or mayhaps the Maersk Iowa or Maersk Indiana...

Yep. Ships called Alabama have a history of kicking arse. See the USS Alabama battleship, now parked in Mobile, or the CSS Alabama of the Confederate era, and many others.

Glad to see the crew held to its namesake, despite being unarmed. :thumbsup:

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: FaaR

Originally posted by: PerknoseThe entire thrust of my OP was to point and snicker at your earnest nit-picking, but, WHOOSH!

Aw geez, it wasn't a nitpick, I'd just thought I'd clarify a technicality for those who mistakenly assumed that just because the captain was an american/liberated by US troops automatically meant it was...oh, whatever. Nevermind!

Welcome to P&N, Mr. 9 post no0b!

Hey, I resent that! I've got at least 13 posts by now!

:thumbsup:

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
what does any of this have to do with the issue? the issue was the fact that an american was captured. who cares what boat he worked on or what company he worked for.

because this is debate class mofo. Bring yo debate. I'll start. This captain isn't american he is european descent so its europes problem. see?

Effete continentalist!

God Bless Vespucciland!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: FaaR

Originally posted by: Perknose
Two can play this game, noob:

You really think namecalling is a good way to start off a thread, particulary coming from a board moderator? If so, I suppose it takes one to know one, bub.

Because, it turns out, the Maersk Alabama was built by a German company, Flender Werft AG.

I knew you'd bring this up...and you'd definitely have a point there too, if ships had brand names instead of being contractually built on order.

Maersk Line, Limited, a subsidiary of Denmark's A.P. Moller/Maersk A.S.

There it is, in black and white even. Can it be any plainer?

FaaR, consider your nits picked! :laugh:

Looks like I get the last laugh! :laugh:

Is Chrysler a US company or a German company?

Same applies.

Maersk is a US company that is owned by a Danish conglomerate.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Is Chrysler a US company or a German company?

I thought Chrysler was turning Italian...

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Because, it turns out, the Maersk Alabama was built by a German company, Flender Werft AG.

I suspected Denmark didn't have the industrial infrastructure to support a commercially viable builder of large ships.

No worries, Denmark will soon be a province of Germany.

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Is Chrysler a US company or a German company?

I thought Chrysler was turning Italian...

Chrysler is an American company, a German mistake and an Italian downfall.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Inspired by this exchange in "another" thread:

Originally posted by: FaaR

Originally posted by: feralkidThe Maersk Alabama is an American flagged ship.

So a Corvette Stingray with Russian plates is a Russian car then? lol!

The flag under which a ship sails is basically just a technicality; Maersk is still a Danish company, thus making it a Danish ship.

Two can play this game, noob:

So a Dane owning a Porsche makes Porsche a Danish car?

Because, it turns out, the Maersk Alabama was built by a German company, Flender Werft AG.

I suspected Denmark didn't have the industrial infrastructure to support a commercially viable builder of large ships.

Further documentation that the Maersk is indeed, an American ship crewed entirely by Americans and controlled by a company whose board of directors is 100%
Americans.

Maersk Line, Limited is based in Norfolk, Virginia, and is one of the Department of Defense's primary shipping contractors.

[...]

Maersk Line, Limited, a subsidiary of Denmark's A.P. Moller/Maersk A.S., is independently controlled by a board of directors comprised entirely of U.S. citizens.

And there you have it, the rest of the non-story!

FaaR, consider your nits picked! :laugh:

Danes used to have a very good shipbuilding industry. Example:

The following shipyards closed down in the course of 1999: Danyard Frederikshavn, Århus Flydedok, Nordsøværftet (Ringkøbing) and Svendborg Værft. At the beginning of 2000, the remaining shipyards building new ships are Ørskov Stålskibsværft and Danyard Aalborg- both privately owned - and Lindø Værft, the biggest shipyard in Denmark and owned by the Maersk group, which is itself owned by Mærsk Mckinney Møller, Denmark's biggest shipping company. Denmark no longer has any state-owned shipyards.

One of the first double hull tankers I sailed on in early 80's was build in Aarhus (another defunct yard which may be revived). And they were excellent ships, very well built and reliable. I found a picture of her here: she was called Danita then.

Also having a US subsidy means diddly squat in shipping. There are many shipping companies which operate US subsidiaries, though very few have US flagged ships. In fact a large portion of shipping is ultimately owned by Americans but you would have a hard time tracing that ownership. Its just the nature of the industry and the way it has panned out. To some extent FaaR's comment about a ships flag is correct.

Maersk obviously wanted to get into the Defense support business in the US which is why they have a large subsidy in the US. And any Us flagged ships have to be US crewed.

 

[CLite]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
what does any of this have to do with the issue? the issue was the fact that an american was captured. who cares what boat he worked on or what company he worked for.

because this is debate class mofo. Bring yo debate. I'll start. This captain isn't american he is european descent so its europes problem. see?

america came from the europeans, therefore europeans are americans. this means it is europe's and america's problem, which is why the french have also intervened in a previous altercation.

Well Europeans came from Africa, assuming you believe in theory of origin from the Congo region. So this vessel was technically Somalia's, they are only trying to reclaim what is rightfully their's.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Those pirates should have known better than to pick on the Maersk Alabama; they should have waited for the Maersk New Jersey, or mayhaps the Maersk Iowa or Maersk Indiana...

I dunno. After This:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNlmiLJGIw

... I wouldn't wanna mess with Iowa.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
In fact a large portion of shipping is ultimately owned by Americans but you would have a hard time tracing that ownership. Its just the nature of the industry and the way it has panned out. To some extent FaaR's comment about a ships flag is correct.

I'm well aware of all this above, but didn't know about the Danish shipbuilding industry, thanks!

My father had his engineering degree from the New York State Maritime Academy, and was merchant marine before he was Navy. In fact, around 1957 or so, years after he'd mustered out, he was approached to be the one of the maritime engineers aboard the Savannah, the first nuclear powered civilian vessel.

It would have meant relocating, which is one of the reasons he turned it down.