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The LOTR Animated movies...
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isildur
Golden Member
they are more accurate than the current movie, way more accurate but they are soo horribly badly done that its almost a pain to watch. Havent seen the hobbit version though.
Eh? More accurate than the 2001 film? Hardly. This is bunk. There is much cut, and numerous changes. There are less additions, so to speak, than the current film, but if that is your only criteria for deviation from the text, you are speaking from a distinctly slanted position. A cut is just as much a departure from "accuracy" as an addition and the animated movies cut much - nevermind the abysmal job they do of depicting the characters, races, and places which are far more substantive "inaccuracies" than anything else.
Eh? More accurate than the 2001 film? Hardly. This is bunk. There is much cut, and numerous changes. There are less additions, so to speak, than the current film, but if that is your only criteria for deviation from the text, you are speaking from a distinctly slanted position. A cut is just as much a departure from "accuracy" as an addition and the animated movies cut much - nevermind the abysmal job they do of depicting the characters, races, and places which are far more substantive "inaccuracies" than anything else.
<< Has anyone watched them? How accurate are they with following the books? I was thinking about picking up The Hobbit or The Fellowship just to check them out... Any thoughts? >>
The only reason to get them is to ensure that you won't be disappointed with the live-action movie.
Actually, the animated Hobbit isn't TOO bad, if targetted at something of a younger crowd. It's not great, though. I have found memories of it, but I think I was about 4 when I first saw it.
The FOTR animated film rots. You'd be better off getting the board game--it follows the books surprisingly well, and at least the artwork is good 🙂
isildur
Golden Member
Leaving something out because of timelimits matters less to me than changing the story because the people might like it better that way. That is why I think the animated crap is more accurate than the current film.
"because the people might like it better that way?" Such as?
You would be hard pressed to point out meaningful changes from the text that were made just to please other people - or, in the very least, you would be hard pressed to point out deviations in the film that I cannot argue or point to evidence of other motivations for the changes than the crass one you suggest.
To object to all change, simply from a purists perspective, is to reveal a fundamental lack of understanding of film and the differences between film/text as mediums; which is to say that transitioning a book to film simply requires some changes - a truth that is increasingly so the further into the past the date of authoring is, as modern authors of "pulp fiction" (which is simply to say books that are surface/plot reads) are progressively writting closer and closer to the style of a screenplay.
"because the people might like it better that way?" Such as?
You would be hard pressed to point out meaningful changes from the text that were made just to please other people - or, in the very least, you would be hard pressed to point out deviations in the film that I cannot argue or point to evidence of other motivations for the changes than the crass one you suggest.
To object to all change, simply from a purists perspective, is to reveal a fundamental lack of understanding of film and the differences between film/text as mediums; which is to say that transitioning a book to film simply requires some changes - a truth that is increasingly so the further into the past the date of authoring is, as modern authors of "pulp fiction" (which is simply to say books that are surface/plot reads) are progressively writting closer and closer to the style of a screenplay.
kami
Lifer
<< they are more accurate than the current movie, way more accurate but they are soo horribly badly done that its almost a pain to watch. Havent seen the hobbit version though.
>>
czar, come on. this is total and utter BS. they cut out a lot and make a lot of stupid changes. it barely feels like LOTR to me. it's a disgrace to the name LOTR and Tolkien was probably rolling in his grave about it...he's probably a little more pleased with the new one. oh yeah, and that half-assed live action stuff they put in it was laughable...WTF was that? i couldn't believe I was watching such low quality, lifeless, effortless crap!
As for the hobbit, it is pretty decent but it really sucks how they portray the people. the hobbits are just plain ugly, and the dwarves look like they are from snow white and the seven dwarfs :disgust:
btw i just picked up a dvd last night called Tolkien: Master of the Rings. haven't watched it yet (i am away from my home theater) but it says it has "3d computerized animations of middle earth, illustrations, rare archive of footage of Tolkien himself, and in-depth analysis by leading Tolkien scholars"...should be interesting.
isildur,
sorry if this all comes out wrong, I´m just very very anoyed how they changed tha Awen(sp?) character, bugs the hell out of me.
kami,
seems more accurate to me, though its a few days since I saw the new movie and a few years since I saw the other crap so memory could be fooling me.
I heard that they got one of the Tolkien family members (as usual) to help making the animated movie and the reason they never finished it was because that family member got so angry about how they did it that he left 🙂 serves them right for making such pos.
sorry if this all comes out wrong, I´m just very very anoyed how they changed tha Awen(sp?) character, bugs the hell out of me.
kami,
seems more accurate to me, though its a few days since I saw the new movie and a few years since I saw the other crap so memory could be fooling me.
I heard that they got one of the Tolkien family members (as usual) to help making the animated movie and the reason they never finished it was because that family member got so angry about how they did it that he left 🙂 serves them right for making such pos.
isildur
Golden Member
isildur,
sorry if this all comes out wrong, I´m just very very anoyed how they changed tha Awen(sp?) character, bugs the hell out of me.
Dude, I can understand that: I know lots of people who feel that way - however you are mistaken when you assume and declare that this change was made to suit a populist agenda. PJ has said on numerous occasions that the decision to integreate Arwen more substantially into the early parts of the story was motivated from a desire to involve the Beren/Luthien theme (which Tolkien himself said Aragorn/Arwen deliberately echoed), as well as material from the appendix of ROTK about their romance, into the movies proper. He agreed that adding this love theme would appeal to some viewers, but he rejected the notion that it was his motivation and, since the handling of it is so far in harmony with his expressed motives, I'm inclined to believe him.
sorry if this all comes out wrong, I´m just very very anoyed how they changed tha Awen(sp?) character, bugs the hell out of me.
Dude, I can understand that: I know lots of people who feel that way - however you are mistaken when you assume and declare that this change was made to suit a populist agenda. PJ has said on numerous occasions that the decision to integreate Arwen more substantially into the early parts of the story was motivated from a desire to involve the Beren/Luthien theme (which Tolkien himself said Aragorn/Arwen deliberately echoed), as well as material from the appendix of ROTK about their romance, into the movies proper. He agreed that adding this love theme would appeal to some viewers, but he rejected the notion that it was his motivation and, since the handling of it is so far in harmony with his expressed motives, I'm inclined to believe him.
isildur
Golden Member
What's disturbing about it? 😕
There is a lot to debate, interpret, and study..
lol
I do have to admit, I find the notion of academic study of even Tolkien somewhat silly. Note that I said academic study. 🙂
I remember some guy on here, or maybe another forum, telling me how he had read every word Tolkien had ever written and then gone to college to study it further. He went to college to study Tolkein. THAT, my friend, is a little much.
There is a lot to debate, interpret, and study..
lol
I do have to admit, I find the notion of academic study of even Tolkien somewhat silly. Note that I said academic study. 🙂
I remember some guy on here, or maybe another forum, telling me how he had read every word Tolkien had ever written and then gone to college to study it further. He went to college to study Tolkein. THAT, my friend, is a little much.
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<< I'm not sure which I find more disturbing:
The existence of Tolkein scholars, or the fact there could actually be "leading" Tolkein scholars...
>>
What's disturbing about it? 😕
There is a lot to debate, interpret, and study.. >>
Not as a profession, or even an obsession. As an author, Tolkein's really nobody to write home about. If you're going to waste your life debating and interpreting an author you might as well at least pick someone a little more worthwhile.
There's a lot to debate, interpret and study about internet forums, too....I stake the same claim about most "Scholars."
Like that lady who thinks she knows who Jack The Ripper really was and has spent millions of dollars researching it.
Well woopdeedoo...what a waste....no one really cares...the mystery loses its lustre if it's solved, and it's certainly not worth spending your life studying.
kami
Lifer
guys i am not talking about like taking a university course on Tolkien or something. if there are actually people who master in Tolkien literature, I agree that's dumb. I just figure they meant people who study the books and history, etc. There's also people whos study and know all the languages, etc. but I just assumed this was more of a hobby. not like you can make money on it or even write anything significant about it :Q
<< guys i am not talking about like taking a university course on Tolkien or something. if there are actually people who master in Tolkien literature, I agree that's dumb. I just figure they meant people who study the books and history, etc. There's also people whos study and know all the languages, etc. but I just assumed this was more of a hobby. not like you can make money on it or even write anything significant about it :Q >>
I hope it's just a hobby. However, you'd think they'd come up with something other than "Tolkein Scholar." There really are people who study that kind of crap.
I had a teacher in college who was a Klingon scholar, and that's exactly my point. Quite the polyglot, this guy spoke 5 languages.
Unfortunately, those languages were English, Hebrew, Esperanto, Lojban and Klingon. In fact he's a key member of the Klingon Language Institute, and has translated a number of literary and biblical texts to Klingon.
The man is brilliant....but what a waste to know 5 languages of which only 2 are practical, 1 is useful but defunct, and the other two are completely fictional! And to willing proclaim to have wasted countless hours of study and work to a fictional language...
It seems like a waste. If I had the time and mental capacity to learn 5 languages, Klingon, Esperanto and Lojban would NOT be among my choices.
Oh well. People are weird 🙂
I personally loved the animated Hobbit even though it departed from the book in a few places (although for a kids? movie, it stuck closer to the plot than what you could expect). The two DVDs that are out now are the better of the animated LOTR movies. I enjoyed it (not as much as the books) and more importantly did not stray from my visions of the Tolkien realm. I didn?t like the live action either but they had to get it under budget somehow.
Key words there for the people who have read the books. We each get our own visions about how things looks. A lot of the things that are in the new movie (haven?t seen it but just from the previews) such as the river flooding does not even come close to my visual interpretations. Looks neat but just wasn?t what I was looking for.
As far as additions and deletions from a story, I can forgive deletions before additions since you simply can?t fit everything in. Expanding something particularly when you are already cutting things out due to time in my book is a big no-no. Tom Bombadil is a great example. Although I?m glad they left him out since they would not have been able to come close to what many of us were expecting. I just don?t like how the hobbits now got their weapons and armor.
Anyway, my thoughts. The DVDs are worth the rental. The Hobbit is definitely worth the purchase.
Key words there for the people who have read the books. We each get our own visions about how things looks. A lot of the things that are in the new movie (haven?t seen it but just from the previews) such as the river flooding does not even come close to my visual interpretations. Looks neat but just wasn?t what I was looking for.
As far as additions and deletions from a story, I can forgive deletions before additions since you simply can?t fit everything in. Expanding something particularly when you are already cutting things out due to time in my book is a big no-no. Tom Bombadil is a great example. Although I?m glad they left him out since they would not have been able to come close to what many of us were expecting. I just don?t like how the hobbits now got their weapons and armor.
Anyway, my thoughts. The DVDs are worth the rental. The Hobbit is definitely worth the purchase.
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