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"The Lost Kristol Tapes"

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And people don't like him being called, "McSame?" Too bad. 😀

McCain is already surrounding himself with neo-conservatives, the same group of people who pushed us into war in Iraq, including Bill Kristol, the son of Irving Kristol, often considered the founder of the neo-conservatism.

Bill Kristol has been wrong or ignorant of just about everything regarding Iraq, and yet, this moron is a big part of McCain's foreign policy team.

A Must Read
"The Lost Kristol Tapes"
http://www.lewrockwell.com/eng...rdt/engelhardt316.html

It's lengthy, and there are a lot of sources. Enjoy! 😀
 
he's one adviser of many. he's got neo conservatives and pragmatists advising him, I don't see anything wrong with being offered a wide range of positions and views.

would it ease your concern if he were a racist demagogue instead of a neo-conservative?
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
he's one adviser of many. he's got neo conservatives and pragmatists advising him, I don't see anything wrong with being offered a wide range of positions and views.

would it ease your concern if he were a racist demagogue instead of a neo-conservative?
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Sorry, that argument doesn't work with me. I'm not voting for Obama either. 😉
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
he's one adviser of many. he's got neo conservatives and pragmatists advising him, I don't see anything wrong with being offered a wide range of positions and views.

would it ease your concern if he were a racist demagogue instead of a neo-conservative?
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You're as big an apologist if ever there was one. Wide range my asshole:roll:
 
There's nothing wrong with being provided a wide range of views. It's just strange that you would employ someone who has been so catastrophically wrong and ideologically blinded. It's not that I would object to him having foreign policy conservatives, it's more like I would object to him having foreign policy morons.
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: loki8481
he's one adviser of many. he's got neo conservatives and pragmatists advising him, I don't see anything wrong with being offered a wide range of positions and views.

would it ease your concern if he were a racist demagogue instead of a neo-conservative?
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You're as big an apologist if ever there was one. Wide range my asshole:roll:
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he's also got Kissinger on his team, and if I thought it would make him half as good at foreign policy as Nixon was, I'd switch my support from Obama to McCain right now.

the argument is stupid. he's got a bunch of foreign policy advisers. neither Kristol nor Kissinger seem to have his undivided interest.
 
Barf gag and nausea garbage swill and vomit, Henry Kissinger was even more morally bankrupt than Richard Nixon. Anyone who will still associate or respect Kissinger should and can make a maggot gag.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
he's one adviser of many. he's got neo conservatives and pragmatists advising him, I don't see anything wrong with being offered a wide range of positions and views.
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Yeah. He's got advisors ranging from ultra right to ultra wrong. :roll:
 
I myself have not decided if I will even bother voteing. I think in many ways both will be offering more of the same BS we have heard in the past. Obama and McCain are trying to reach out and capture more votes, so naturally they are going to consult with scum.


 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: loki8481
he's one adviser of many. he's got neo conservatives and pragmatists advising him, I don't see anything wrong with being offered a wide range of positions and views.

would it ease your concern if he were a racist demagogue instead of a neo-conservative?
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You're as big an apologist if ever there was one. Wide range my asshole:roll:
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he's also got Kissinger on his team, and if I thought it would make him half as good at foreign policy as Nixon was, I'd switch my support from Obama to McCain right now.

the argument is stupid. he's got a bunch of foreign policy advisers. neither Kristol nor Kissinger seem to have his undivided interest.
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Kissinger is a war criminal. Nixon's policy on Vietnam was damned good, eh?

But as we see, Nixon could have been worse.

Of course, it's ironic that Nixon's most famous accomplishment, the recognition of China, came only after years of his party fighting tooth and nail to stop democrats from doing it.

When JFK was elected, Eisenhower told him he would not publically criticize Kennedy for any foreign policies, except one, if JFK tried to recognize China.
 
Originally posted by: Grunt03
I myself have not decided if I will even bother voteing. I think in many ways both will be offering more of the same BS we have heard in the past. Obama and McCain are trying to reach out and capture more votes, so naturally they are going to consult with scum.
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So you care nothing about opposing the Republicans' corruption, deficits, rich at the expense of everyone else priorities, incompetence, the well-being of your fellow countrymen?

Your post reminds me of 2000 when some said 'Bush and Gore, too similar to bother picking'.

If you didn't learn from that...
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Grunt03
I myself have not decided if I will even bother voteing. I think in many ways both will be offering more of the same BS we have heard in the past. Obama and McCain are trying to reach out and capture more votes, so naturally they are going to consult with scum.
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So you care nothing about opposing the Republicans' corruption, deficits, rich at the expense of everyone else priorities, incompetence, the well-being of your fellow countrymen?

Your post reminds me of 2000 when some said 'Bush and Gore, too similar to bother picking'.

If you didn't learn from that...
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Our selective memory is pathetic. If bush or gore had been involved in illicit sex, we could remember the color of the girl's dress.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Barf gag and nausea garbage swill and vomit, Henry Kissinger was even more morally bankrupt than Richard Nixon. Anyone who will still associate or respect Kissinger should and can make a maggot gag.
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when did Kissinger piss in your cheerios?

I've been reading the Nixon memoirs (I'm only up to 1952, zomg don't spoil the ending) but some of the similarities between him and Obama are striking... Nixon's first campaign slogan:

my ads asked: 'are you satisfied with your present conditions? can you buy meat, a new car, a refrigerator, clothes you need? A vote for Nixon is a vote for change.' The nationwide Republican campaign slogan in 1946 was 'HAD ENOUGH?' and the answer from voters was clearly a resounding 'Yes!'
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his first campaign for the US senate was against a female democrat that no one in the senate liked -- hated so much that JFK went across the party line to donate to RN's campaign to beat the bitch.
 
What current rank and file "conservatives" fail to recognize is that the Neocons *are* the repub foreign policy establishment- lock, stock, and barrel. The sad truth is that the ones not employed by the Bush Admin are even nuttier than the ones they have used... Podhoretz, anybody?

McCain really doesn't have much of a choice, nor would any other repub nominee. Pick of the litter is still a sick puppy...
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Grunt03
I myself have not decided if I will even bother voteing. I think in many ways both will be offering more of the same BS we have heard in the past. Obama and McCain are trying to reach out and capture more votes, so naturally they are going to consult with scum.
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So you care nothing about opposing the Republicans' corruption, deficits, rich at the expense of everyone else priorities, incompetence, the well-being of your fellow countrymen?

Your post reminds me of 2000 when some said 'Bush and Gore, too similar to bother picking'.

If you didn't learn from that...
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Deficits...so you actually care about deficits? Have you seen the price tag for the global warming "fix", or the massive farm bill just passed by the Senate? Not exactly a picture of fiscally responsibility. And this is just the beginning. Where is all this money going to come from? The "rich" paying their "fair share"? Get real.
 
?srosivdaas niaCcM tuoba denrecnoc neve yeht era yhw neht ,amabO ni tnedifnocos era smeDeht lla fI
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: loki8481
he's one adviser of many. he's got neo conservatives and pragmatists advising him, I don't see anything wrong with being offered a wide range of positions and views.
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Yeah. He's got advisors ranging from ultra right to ultra wrong. :roll:
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But... He has to now... If he even wants to 'THINK' he can win he has to follow all of bush's footsteps to presidency.


He is going in lock stock and barrel ... If bush was a dumb stump that could do it ... then if he just imitates him then he will be guaranteed president since you know the old saying...

If it worked for a moron like bush then it's gotta work for me! hahahaha Damn... The sad part is, this country is so stupid that it just might work.

 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Barf gag and nausea garbage swill and vomit, Henry Kissinger was even more morally bankrupt than Richard Nixon. Anyone who will still associate or respect Kissinger should and can make a maggot gag.
Click to expand...

when did Kissinger piss in your cheerios?

I've been reading the Nixon memoirs (I'm only up to 1952, zomg don't spoil the ending) but some of the similarities between him and Obama are striking... Nixon's first campaign slogan:

my ads asked: 'are you satisfied with your present conditions? can you buy meat, a new car, a refrigerator, clothes you need? A vote for Nixon is a vote for change.' The nationwide Republican campaign slogan in 1946 was 'HAD ENOUGH?' and the answer from voters was clearly a resounding 'Yes!'
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his first campaign for the US senate was against a female democrat that no one in the senate liked -- hated so much that JFK went across the party line to donate to RN's campaign to beat the bitch.
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I guess Loki did not make a big enough fool of himself by extolling Kissinger, and now he is really trying to go from dumb to bottom of the barrel dumbest by comparing Nixon to Obama. Tricky Dick acquired his nickname very early by running very dirty against Douglas, his hollow pumpkin theory against Alger Hess may have been a brilliant piece of total fiction, but someone had to be the one to out sleeze even Joe McCarthy.

In almost every way, any attempt to compare Obama with Nixon fails badly. Even I can make a good case for Nixon's intellect and mastery of the issues, too bad that Nixon could
not tell the truth and had no real people skills. Nixon lived and died on an ability to distort the issues.
 
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
?srosivdaas niaCcM tuoba denrecnoc neve yeht era yhw neht ,amabO ni tnedifnocos era smeDeht lla fI
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Hey the majority of American voters even though very slight were stupid enough to re-elect Bush.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Barf gag and nausea garbage swill and vomit, Henry Kissinger was even more morally bankrupt than Richard Nixon. Anyone who will still associate or respect Kissinger should and can make a maggot gag.
Click to expand...

when did Kissinger piss in your cheerios?

I've been reading the Nixon memoirs (I'm only up to 1952, zomg don't spoil the ending) but some of the similarities between him and Obama are striking... Nixon's first campaign slogan:

my ads asked: 'are you satisfied with your present conditions? can you buy meat, a new car, a refrigerator, clothes you need? A vote for Nixon is a vote for change.' The nationwide Republican campaign slogan in 1946 was 'HAD ENOUGH?' and the answer from voters was clearly a resounding 'Yes!'
Click to expand...

his first campaign for the US senate was against a female democrat that no one in the senate liked -- hated so much that JFK went across the party line to donate to RN's campaign to beat the bitch.
Click to expand...
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I guess Loki did not make a big enough fool of himself by extolling Kissinger, and now he is really trying to go from dumb to bottom of the barrel dumbest by comparing Nixon to Obama. Tricky Dick acquired his nickname very early by running very dirty against Douglas, his hollow pumpkin theory against Alger Hess may have been a brilliant piece of total fiction, but someone had to be the one to out sleeze even Joe McCarthy.

In almost every way, any attempt to compare Obama with Nixon fails badly. Even I can make a good case for Nixon's intellect and mastery of the issues, too bad that Nixon could
not tell the truth and had no real people skills. Nixon lived and died on an ability to distort the issues.
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I wish you'd stop calling me dumb when I've already admitted I'm only on page 100 out of 1,200 or so. 😉

I was trying to make a positive comparison... it seems like there are worse things to be compared to on the cusp of an election than the guy who won 49/50 states and got us out of a war similar to Iraq in clusterfuckness.
 
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
?srosivdaas niaCcM tuoba denrecnoc neve yeht era yhw neht ,amabO ni tnedifnocos era smeDeht lla fI
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Maybe because this thread's topic is about McCain's advisers (or those that are likely to be) and not whether or not there is confidence in Obama on the Democratic side?

It's a tough thing, this staying on topic and I don't expect you to do so because the leg you have to stand on is pretty wobbly....but try not to insult those that do by insinuating that your short comings are theirs also.
 
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