The Los Angeles reality disconnect

[eakers]

Usually thoes mothers let themselves go and turn from a woman a guy will want (or settle for), to a woman who doesn't turn him on at all.

hahah and like men don't get huge beer guts and turn into even more disgusting pigs when their married :roll:

 

[waggy]

yeah the "style" of clothing for young girls is amazing. My wife has an aunt that dresses her 12 yr old daughter in that. One year she asked us if we liked it. I replied if it was the "my little slut line" of clothing. everyone laughed but them. At 12 we she does not need low cut shirts and low cut hip hugger jeans that barely cover her.

Scary part is this is the norm now. In school you could always tell who the sluts were. they dressed like this. Now its the thing to do. My poor daughter is going to be SO out of fashion i feel sorry for her.

but its not just the pre-teen set. They are marketing that to even younger kids! i was looking at new clothes for my daughter and some size 4t were like that. fricken amazing.

Oh while at McDonald's (we go once a week as a treat! she fries and the play land) there was a girl about 9 who every time she would crawl into the tunnel her ass would show because her jeans were so short. Her mother was there and never said a word even though i could hear people at the next table talking about it loudly. Oddly i think the mother was proud that people noticed her daughter.

I just hope trends change before my daughter gets to much older heh.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
This thread is exactly why I will LITERALLY destroy the very fabric of American society before I spawn. If I have to drive the entire planet back into a puritan hell to ensure that my daughters aren't told that slutty == acceptable, I shall.

That's because men want "slutty" bad girls,sex sells, plain, vanilla boring women are only good to marry, produce offspring, bring home a paycheck and be ignored while hubby stares at the barely clad starlets on tv or views porn in the den.

What people say they want is often very different from their true secret desire... I suspect men only want plain,vanilla wives because they figure they'll be faithful as no other man will want them.

Wow, you read my mind set for 1st marriage, after that hell for a few years, I gave up, and refused to compromise.

Also, there's that whole madonna/whore thing guys have going on, marry an attractive woman (or acceptable to be brutally honest, most guys settle) and after they have a baby, men have a hard time dealing with fvcking a "mother"

Cliff notes-guys are a mess...

Usually thoes mothers let themselves go and turn from a woman a guy will want (or settle for), to a woman who doesn't turn him on at all.
Another thing is that most people do get bored of having sex with the same person all the time.
No matter how much "experimenting" and toys and crap you bring into the sex, you still have the same person. Eventually that just gets to the point where it feels like chore.

Take a good look at most men over age 40, letting oneself "go" sadly isn't confined to women. I think also that if you go into a marriage thinking that you've "settled" the sex will be a "chore" no matter what.

 

[illustri]

Don't even start to try to turn this into a men v women debate, sexuality in requires the influence of both sexes (unless you're gay). Men like whatever the hell they like, women try their best to be that -- its plain truth.

Now as for my daughter, I'd feel haughtily proud to say that I can make the distinction between dressing provocativily and ACTUAULLY being a slut, the latter would be result of my bad parenting, the former chalked up to rebellion, self expression, and adolescence.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: SampSon
Why arn't you people outraged that in other countries children are married off before puberty and have children in their very early teenage years?

This is actually a very good and insightful question, and I think the answer lies in the "out of sight, out of mind" concept: Far away cultures are just that, far away. If that were happening here in the US, I think people would indeed be concerned about it.

Here's a problem that I have with American culture: We sexualize these young children, yet profess "shock" and "outrage" at Janet Jackson's tit.

what gets me is that people dress these girls up to look like little sluts, shows/dolls etc that are aimed at them portray girls as sluts or boy hungry etc, then get outraged when they do something. WELL DUH!

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: illustri
Don't even start to try to turn this into a men v women debate, sexuality in requires the influence of both sexes (unless you're gay). Men like whatever the hell they like, women try their best to be that -- its plain truth.

Now as for my daughter, I'd feel haughtily proud to say that I can make the distinction between dressing provocativily and ACTUAULLY being a slut, the latter would be result of my bad parenting, the former chalked up to rebellion, self expression, and adolescence.

yeah most girls will start to dress "sexy" when hormones kick in. Thats just nature doing its thing. After all they need to look there best to get a mate.

But what i have a problem with is the clothing aimed at young 5-12yr old girls that are that way. Its not them that are chosing it. It is the parents.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: illustri
Don't even start to try to turn this into a men v women debate, sexuality in requires the influence of both sexes (unless you're gay). Men like whatever the hell they like, women try their best to be that -- its plain truth.

Now as for my daughter, I'd feel haughtily proud to say that I can make the distinction between dressing provocativily and ACTUAULLY being a slut, the latter would be result of my bad parenting, the former chalked up to rebellion, self expression, and adolescence.

Being a teenager is hard enough, I would hope that no parent willingly allows their preteen-teenager girl to go out of the house dressed in a manner that's marketing her sexually to adult males.Kids will rebel, they'll sneak that nasty skirt or pair of pants their parents don't like out of the house to change into at school... kids have done that for generations but there's a big difference between that and selling thong undies for 9 yr olds and seeing parents in wrestling matches at Target to buy the crap.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: SampSon
Why arn't you people outraged that in other countries children are married off before puberty and have children in their very early teenage years?

This is actually a very good and insightful question, and I think the answer lies in the "out of sight, out of mind" concept: Far away cultures are just that, far away. If that were happening here in the US, I think people would indeed be concerned about it.

Here's a problem that I have with American culture: We sexualize these young children, yet profess "shock" and "outrage" at Janet Jackson's tit.

what gets me is that people dress these girls up to look like little sluts, shows/dolls etc that are aimed at them portray girls as sluts or boy hungry etc, then get outraged when they do something. WELL DUH!

Damn, no we don't. Those are adult words and adult ideas you've just imposed on children. The problem is when YOU "sexualize" them.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: illustri
Now as for my daughter, I'd feel haughtily proud to say that I can make the distinction between dressing provocativily and ACTUAULLY being a slut, the latter would be result of my bad parenting, the former chalked up to rebellion, self expression, and adolescence.

What are you getting at here? I am not expressing a problem with teenagers in this thread. I am talking about very young girls who are not old enough to have their own sexual identity, let alone capacity for rebellion or self-expression.

There is nothing wrong with dressing provocatively, so long as it's within the right context. I have absolutely nothing against sexuality (if you think I do, let me tell you about my weekend..), but I do have a problem if it's forced on young people who are incapable of understanding it, let alone dealing with it.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: illustri
Don't even start to try to turn this into a men v women debate, sexuality in requires the influence of both sexes (unless you're gay). Men like whatever the hell they like, women try their best to be that -- its plain truth.

Now as for my daughter, I'd feel haughtily proud to say that I can make the distinction between dressing provocativily and ACTUAULLY being a slut, the latter would be result of my bad parenting, the former chalked up to rebellion, self expression, and adolescence.

Being a teenager is hard enough, I would hope that no parent willingly allows their preteen-teenager girl to go out of the house dressed in a manner that's marketing her sexually to adult males.Kids will rebel, they'll sneak that nasty skirt or pair of pants their parents don't like out of the house to change into at school... kids have done that for generations but there's a big difference between that and selling thong undies for 9 yr olds and seeing parents in wrestling matches at Target to buy the crap.

The only difference is that fashion thong underwear wasn't available in past generations for kids. You can lament the buying habits of modern consumers, but I think it better if we a)realize that wearing thong underwear doesn't make our teenage daughters whores... and b) make our teenage daughters realize it too.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: illustri
Now as for my daughter, I'd feel haughtily proud to say that I can make the distinction between dressing provocativily and ACTUAULLY being a slut, the latter would be result of my bad parenting, the former chalked up to rebellion, self expression, and adolescence.

What are you getting at here? I am not expressing a problem with teenagers in this thread. I am talking about very young girls who are not old enough to have their own sexual identity, let alone capacity for rebellion or self-expression.

There is nothing wrong with dressing provocatively, so long as it's within the right context. I have absolutely nothing against sexuality (if you think I do, let me tell you about my weekend..), but I do have a problem if it's forced on young people who are incapable of understanding it, let alone dealing with it.

I doubt that youth fashion its anymore forced on youths than toys or candy. Besides isn't the point that they are yet incapable of fully understanding their sexuality a GOOD thing? I mean isn't that the essence of the innocence they'll have for such a short time each lifetime? I don't understand how it can be a problem unless its MADE one by adults?

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: illustri
Don't even start to try to turn this into a men v women debate, sexuality in requires the influence of both sexes (unless you're gay). Men like whatever the hell they like, women try their best to be that -- its plain truth.

Now as for my daughter, I'd feel haughtily proud to say that I can make the distinction between dressing provocativily and ACTUAULLY being a slut, the latter would be result of my bad parenting, the former chalked up to rebellion, self expression, and adolescence.

Being a teenager is hard enough, I would hope that no parent willingly allows their preteen-teenager girl to go out of the house dressed in a manner that's marketing her sexually to adult males.Kids will rebel, they'll sneak that nasty skirt or pair of pants their parents don't like out of the house to change into at school... kids have done that for generations but there's a big difference between that and selling thong undies for 9 yr olds and seeing parents in wrestling matches at Target to buy the crap.

The only difference is that fashion thong underwear wasn't available in past generations for kids. You can lament the buying habits of modern consumers, but I think it better if we a)realize that wearing thong underwear doesn't make our teenage daughters whores... and b) make our teenage daughters realize it too.

When we send our minor children out of the house dressed in a manner that makes them quite appealing to predatory adults we are doing them a grave diservice.

Look around you man, we have a generation of kids being hauled from play date to play date in cars, kids who have never had the simple joy of being able to go outside, ride their bikes or roam the neighborhood with friends back in the good old days it was called "going outside to play"

Why is this? simple, predatory adults, grabbing kids to sexually exploit often culminating in their brutal murder.

I might have snuck jeans that were too tight to school as a teenager but I was very clear that my parent's didn't like them because they would draw attention to me that they felt I couldn't handle..they didn't gush oh isn't she cute and send me out the door dressed like a hooker when I was 12. I was 12 and I was dressed in a fashion that reflected that fact.

I feel bad for parents these days and I feel bad for the scads of kids growing up who will never know the simple joy of being able to take their bike and a lunch and ride off alone on a nice summer day... they can't now and it's a damn shame.

 

Take a good look at most men over age 40, letting oneself "go" sadly isn't confined to women. I think also that if you go into a marriage thinking that you've "settled" the sex will be a "chore" no matter what.

Yes, what you said about men is assumed to be true. Though men are a more sex driven when looked at in that context.

This is actually a very good and insightful question, and I think the answer lies in the "out of sight, out of mind" concept: Far away cultures are just that, far away. If that were happening here in the US, I think people would indeed be concerned about it.

Here's a problem that I have with American culture: We sexualize these young children, yet profess "shock" and "outrage" at Janet Jackson's tit.

If if were happening here in the US it would be part of the culture and deemed acceptable just like "sexualizing" children.
There have been countless numbers of these threads and not a single person has actually made an effort to digest the statements that I make about other cultures.

Reality is that Americans are very sexually repressed due to this need to be politically correct.

 

[piroroadkill]

I hate this all too. I hate sluttiness and lost of innocence so early and the horrible example our society sets. The whole world is going to hell.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
When we send our minor children out of the house dressed in a manner that makes them quite appealing to predatory adults we are doing them a grave diservice.

Look around you man, we have a generation of kids being hauled from play date to play date in cars, kids who have never had the simple joy of being able to go outside, ride their bikes or roam the neighborhood with friends back in the good old days it was called "going outside to play"

Why is this? simple, predatory adults, grabbing kids to sexually exploit often culminating in their brutal murder.

I might have snuck jeans that were too tight to school as a teenager but I was very clear that my parent's didn't like them because they would draw attention to me that they felt I couldn't handle..they didn't gush oh isn't she cute and send me out the door dressed like a hooker when I was 12. I was 12 and I was dressed in a fashion that reflected that fact.

I feel bad for parents these days and I feel bad for the scads of kids growing up who will never know the simple joy of being able to take their bike and a lunch and ride off alone on a nice summer day... they can't now and it's a damn shame.

old and busted: sexual predators
new hotness: terrorists

likewise: if we give up our freedoms they win

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Take a good look at most men over age 40, letting oneself "go" sadly isn't confined to women. I think also that if you go into a marriage thinking that you've "settled" the sex will be a "chore" no matter what.

Yes, what you said about men is assumed to be true. Though men are a more sex driven when looked at in that context.

This is actually a very good and insightful question, and I think the answer lies in the "out of sight, out of mind" concept: Far away cultures are just that, far away. If that were happening here in the US, I think people would indeed be concerned about it.

Here's a problem that I have with American culture: We sexualize these young children, yet profess "shock" and "outrage" at Janet Jackson's tit.

If if were happening here in the US it would be part of the culture and deemed acceptable just like "sexualizing" children.
There have been countless numbers of these threads and not a single person has actually made an effort to digest the statements that I make about other cultures.

Reality is that Americans are very sexually repressed due to this need to be politically correct.

In "other cultures" one doesn't need a master's degree level education merely to begin providing for a family. Our cost of /standard of living requires the delay of official "adulthood" status for more years than almost any other culture. I know of plent of 25 yr olds who are still students, still living to greater or lesser extent on their parent's dollar.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
In "other cultures" one doesn't need a master's degree level education merely to begin providing for a family. Our cost of /standard of living requires the delay of official "adulthood" status for more years than almost any other culture. I know of plent of 25 yr olds who are still students, still living to greater or lesser extent on their parent's dollar.

If you're complaining about supposed shortening of childhood what makes you think delaying adulthood as the other extreme is any better for the development of a person?

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
When we send our minor children out of the house dressed in a manner that makes them quite appealing to predatory adults we are doing them a grave diservice.

Look around you man, we have a generation of kids being hauled from play date to play date in cars, kids who have never had the simple joy of being able to go outside, ride their bikes or roam the neighborhood with friends back in the good old days it was called "going outside to play"

Why is this? simple, predatory adults, grabbing kids to sexually exploit often culminating in their brutal murder.

I might have snuck jeans that were too tight to school as a teenager but I was very clear that my parent's didn't like them because they would draw attention to me that they felt I couldn't handle..they didn't gush oh isn't she cute and send me out the door dressed like a hooker when I was 12. I was 12 and I was dressed in a fashion that reflected that fact.

I feel bad for parents these days and I feel bad for the scads of kids growing up who will never know the simple joy of being able to take their bike and a lunch and ride off alone on a nice summer day... they can't now and it's a damn shame.

old and busted: sexual predators
new hotness: terrorists

likewise: if we give up our freedoms they win

if we "give up our freedoms" one of the 1.5 of our offspring might die at the hands of a predator.

As a culture we are having fewer children and we are investing far more into them in terms of fiscal investment, children are more precious in a family that has only 1 or two than in the old days when 7,8,9 or more children were common and when losing a child or two to illness, accident etc was fairly normal.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
In "other cultures" one doesn't need a master's degree level education merely to begin providing for a family. Our cost of /standard of living requires the delay of official "adulthood" status for more years than almost any other culture. I know of plent of 25 yr olds who are still students, still living to greater or lesser extent on their parent's dollar.

If you're complaining about supposed shortening of childhood what makes you think delaying adulthood as the other extreme is any better for the development of a person?

I'm making the point that in other cultures early mating/reproduction might be more the norm because the standard of living in those countries allows for younger people to more easily support a family.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

if we "give up our freedoms" one of the 1.5 of our offspring might die at the hands of a predator.

As a culture we are having fewer children and we are investing far more into them in terms of fiscal investment, children are more precious in a family that has only 1 or two than in the old days when 7,8,9 or more children were common and when losing a child or two to illness, accident etc was fairly normal.

if we're that afraid that sexual predators are going to harm our children we should give them all kung-fu lessons and concealed weapons, I can just imagine packing that ppk in little suzie's backpack, next to her brown bag lunch.

forgive my being flippant, but that amount of fear is just too much
invest your efforts in fighting, jailing, preventing sexual predators and assaults
putting your children in burkas is no way to be

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

I'm making the point that in other cultures early mating/reproduction might be more the norm because the standard of living in those countries allows for younger people to more easily support a family.

wait wait wait, are you saying its easier to support a family in say, southeast asia, than it is here? Man I immigrated the wrong direction.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

if we "give up our freedoms" one of the 1.5 of our offspring might die at the hands of a predator.

As a culture we are having fewer children and we are investing far more into them in terms of fiscal investment, children are more precious in a family that has only 1 or two than in the old days when 7,8,9 or more children were common and when losing a child or two to illness, accident etc was fairly normal.

if we're that afraid that sexual predators are going to harm our children we should give them all kung-fu lessons and concealed weapons, I can just imagine packing that ppk in little suzie's backpack, next to her brown bag lunch.

forgive my being flippant, but that amount of fear is just too much
invest your efforts in fighting, jailing, preventing sexual predators and assaults
putting your children in burkas is no way to be

there is a difference between shrouding a person in a burka and in buying a 10 yr old clothing most commonly favored by street walkers.

We used to have what were rites of passage in this culture. I can remember being given formal "permission" to wear makeup, high heels, I remember being told I could chose my own wardrobe
and I can remember being given my first black evening style dress. Restrictive ? at times yes, did I rebel at times ? yes but my parents drove home the point that if I went out of the house dressed in certain ways that negative crap might result.

My parents tried to protect me, not go out and buy me clothing that was like icing on the cake to some adult sicko.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
there is a difference between shrouding a person in a burka and in buying a 10 yr old clothing most commonly favored by street walkers.

We used to have what were rites of passage in this culture. I can remember being given formal "permission" to wear makeup, high heels, I remember being told I could chose my own wardrobe
and I can remember being given my first black evening style dress. Restrictive ? at times yes, did I rebel at times ? yes but my parents drove home the point that if I went out of the house dressed in certain ways that negative crap might result.

My parents tried to protect me, not go out and buy me clothing that was like icing on the cake to some adult sicko.

So you're really mainly lamenting the downfall of sinful society because it doesn't exactly mirror the way you were brought up? A very exhausted idea and argument that I look forward to using in a couple decades.

 

In "other cultures" one doesn't need a master's degree level education merely to begin providing for a family. Our cost of /standard of living requires the delay of official "adulthood" status for more years than almost any other culture. I know of plent of 25 yr olds who are still students, still living to greater or lesser extent on their parent's dollar.

Many of thoes "other cultures" are taking jobs that Americans need masters degrees for and doing them for a fraction of the cost, with a fraction of the education.
Americans are going to have to rethink their lifestyles soon in order to even feed themselves, let alone worry about what clothes their daughters are wearing. It seems we Americans think we are too good for everyone else, the only justification I have ever seen is that we have a better standard of living. That boils strictly down to one thing, money. Someday hopefully we get over that, because it is a poor indicator of anything.

We shelter our children. We make it way too easy on them and allow them to be run by media influence.
Have you had, or plan to have a realistic sex talk with your children? The real birds and bees? Not just, a mommy and daddy make love and thats where babies come from!

I see sexual, personal and general human repression running rampant in America. Though all of that is just shrugged off or dealt with because we have a "better standard of living".

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
there is a difference between shrouding a person in a burka and in buying a 10 yr old clothing most commonly favored by street walkers.

We used to have what were rites of passage in this culture. I can remember being given formal "permission" to wear makeup, high heels, I remember being told I could chose my own wardrobe
and I can remember being given my first black evening style dress. Restrictive ? at times yes, did I rebel at times ? yes but my parents drove home the point that if I went out of the house dressed in certain ways that negative crap might result.

My parents tried to protect me, not go out and buy me clothing that was like icing on the cake to some adult sicko.

So you're really mainly lamenting the downfall of sinful society because it doesn't exactly mirror the way you were brought up? A very exhausted idea and argument that I look forward to using in a couple decades.

No, I'm scratching my head at a culture that decries the sexualization of it's children yet acts in ways that promote that very explotation.

Ever hear guys complaining because a woman biatched because they were staring at her, "if she didn't want the attention she shouldn't wear that skirt,shirt, hooker shoes" whatever is the usual male response.

An adult woman can hopefully handle the type of attention that provicative clothing generates,We now dress pre-teenage girls in that type of clothing, how are they equipped to handle the response ?