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the limits on our reality, is our imagination.. but we cannot imagine not existing..

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We can't imagine anything that isn't some amalgamation of our previous sensory input. Imagination is built upon the things we know, which are things we have experienced. It really has nothing to say about things that cannot be experienced.
 
mk said:
Try to imagine any location other than the one you currently occupy. It'll be like that everywhere, at least in terms of you being there.

Shouldn't be too hard.


Edit: Both the premise and the conclusion are wrong, with a non sequitur in between.
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it won't.. as long as you understand "consciousness"
 
mk said:
Try to imagine any location other than the one you currently occupy. It'll be like that everywhere, at least in terms of you being there.

Shouldn't be too hard.


Edit: Both the premise and the conclusion are wrong, with a non sequitur in between.
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it's called remote viewing.. it later progresses to astral viewing... and then to astral conciousness... try it..
 
zanejohnson said:
it's called remote viewing.. it later progresses to astral viewing... and then to astral conciousness... try it..
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There's very little if any evidence of astral projection beyond anecdotes.

Some testing has been done IIRC. People who have claimed to have had OBEs during surgery have been unable to spot distinctly out of place objects that have been placed in the operating room for this purpose.
 
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mk said:
There's very little if any evidence of astral projection beyond anecdotes.
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If astral projection existed it would be trivial to test. There is of course the million dollar prize still out there for anyone that can prove it's existence.
 
SMOGZINN said:
If astral projection existed it would be trivial to test. There is of course the million dollar prize still out there for anyone that can prove it's existence.
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the only thing is the millions who already do it.. everyday...

nobodys bringing me a million dollars.
 
I love it, imagination is our limit but we cannot imagine the limit proposed. So you're saying my imagination sucks? I should kick your purple and green polka-dotted ass!!!
 
What you're saying:

We cannot imagine not existing > nonexistence is false > Things that we cannot imagine do not exist.

Why I think you're wrong:

Imagination is the rearranging of real things that we have experienced into shapes and situations that we have not experienced them to be in > Things that we imagine are based on things that we know to exist > Things have to exist before we are capable of imagining them > Imagination has no bearing on existence.
 
zanejohnson said:
we know it goes in three steps.... (i like you btw)

imagination ------------ materialization ---------------------- realization
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imagination > materialization > realization

imagination = boundless = unrestraint
realization = subjective = restraint = the illusion
 
IronWing said:
A pencil has six flat sides, yet it rolls. Consciousness is like that.
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That's right. Consciousness is bound to a limited path due to the shape it's creator has imposed upon it, yet the initial force that set it rolling is that same creator's guiding hand. Paise the lord for making us so that we stop with the manufacturers logo facing not upward but slightly askant in the opposite direction from which we rolled.
 
The concept of not existing is always something that has boggled my mind, how does it feel, how does "nothing" feel? What was it like before being born? I think these are things that we simply cannot comprehend, because our comprehension is generated by our brain, and our brain did not exist at that point.

While we're on this, I'll leave this here:

http://vimeo.com/13873034

I'm thinking it sorta applies here. Our "state of awareness" could potentially exist in more than the 3D world we know. We just can't remember the instances where we transfered over. Just a theory of course.
 
I guess in terms of imagination you are just rearranging past experiences from memory, nothing special.

The internet may have messed with your head. You can only create an experience from something you did yourself with your own senses.

If someone tells you some information you create a story using your own experiences.

Much like how everyone reads a book but imagines things differently.

They'll pull an image like "castle" out of their memory of movies based in the 15th century. If you've actually been in a castle you might even imagine what it smells like in a castle or something.

The internet probably makes us create alot of stories but with pretty stale experiences (never having been to a castle, driven on the other side of the road, ridden in a plane, etc.) so everyone has this really sterile view of the world now.

Small planes vibrate so much it feels like... windy. Maybe the seals on them aren't that great either. One person might read about riding in a small plane and imagine just the buzzing engine like on TV but someone who has been in a small plane knows its a vibrating windy loud crazy environment. And there is really no replacing the actual experience.

People today have like zero actual experience but they've done a ton of reading in college & the internet so everyone has a "Stale" story in their head.

In the past I would imagine it was the opposite without computers, everyone had all these experiences in their head and so learning information was the critical component they needed. Might be why college in the 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, etc was so effective compared to now. What people probably need now these days is just doing "stuff"
 
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