The last gasp of GW

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Clinton left Bush a sound economy, functioning government, and budget on track to being balanced. Bush fuuked it all up, every last bit of it.

Dude the 2001 recession started in the last two quarters of Clinton's Presidency.

Look at GDP growth for 2000.
Q1 1.0%
Q2 6.4%
Q3 -.4% that is a negative
Q4 2.0%
2001
Q1 -.4% another negative
Q2 1.3%
Q3 -1.3% another negative

Compare that the 'horrible economy' of 1992 that Bill ran against.
1992
Q1 4%
Q2 3.9%
Q3 .4%
Q4 4.4%

Clinton took over an economy that was growing at 4% per quarter and left an economy that was stagnant. He probably the luckiest President in modern times when it comes the economic cycles. Took over at the start of an expansion and left just as a recession was starting.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Dman877
Clinton had nothing to do with the way Bush was received 8 years ago. When the supreme court gave Bush the white house, it left most people feeling pretty pessimistic about him, thus the cool reception.

The Supreme Court did not GIVE Bush anything.

Even the court had done NOTHING Bush would have won the recount due to the way in which Gore was going about it. Read your history.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Clinton left Bush a sound economy, functioning government, and budget on track to being balanced. Bush fuuked it all up, every last bit of it.

The economy in'00 was beginning to tank

Ever hear about the DotCom bubble and when it popped,it pulled the market into a freefall.

The balanced budget was forcasted on rosyprojections that went south after the lastClinton budget was prepared.

bush came into office with a slumping economy and then got hit by 9/11.
He never was able to really get things back on track (roaring along).
Majority of the issue was miscues and attempts to tweak the system into recovering faster.
that and the world economic issues w/ revolving around the price of oil broke the proverbial camel's back this past 6 months.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Poppy was kind enough to disappear after Nov. 92 and shut his mouth during the Clinton years.

Somalia.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: techs
Seriously, what if the ONLY thing he gets right in his 8 years as President is screwing it up for the next guy?

You mean the way Clinton tried to do to him?

I hope Bush pisses on the door into the Oval Office after the bullshit treatment that he got in Jan 01.

i hope you aren't talking about the 'w' keys being removed from whitehouse keyboards, because that it turns out was faked by a couple bush staffers.

Not referring to pranks, no. Read the other 2 posts.

Personally, I hope he orders the drilling on ANWR on November 5th.

That would be illegal, not that laws ever bothered Bush.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
He'll push the button.

either for shits, or b/c it's big and red and he just can't resist anymore.

Winner 0n the fun part. :laugh:

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: techs
Seriously, what if the ONLY thing he gets right in his 8 years as President is screwing it up for the next guy?

You mean the way Clinton tried to do to him?

I hope Bush pisses on the door into the Oval Office after the bullshit treatment that he got in Jan 01.

Actually, if you bothered to follow up, many of the supposed things the Bushies did to the incoming President were not true. For example the oft repeated story of the Clinton staffers switching the letters on the keyboards was not true.

btw does the next Vice President get to keep Cheney's man sized safe?

Err, coherence? The 'Bushies' haven't done anything to any incoming President yet.

Here's an article about crap from December 2000. That doesn't even count January 01.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...=&spon=&pagewanted=all

His days as president are dwindling. But over the past few weeks he has proved intent on using the powers of his office right to the end, focusing attention on his agenda and himself, buffing his record for the history books and infuriating his enemies one last time.

On one day he announced new regulations to limit emissions from diesel-powered trucks and buses. On another he imposed new restrictions on the release of medical information by doctors and hospitals.

He has issued rules that would bar federal agencies from giving contracts to companies with a record of breaking labor, environmental or other laws, and set out new requirements for workplace health and safety. Early next month he is expected to make good on a promise to put at least 40 million acres of federal land off limits for road building and other development.

Never mind his decision to put on the presidential limousines new license plates that strike a blow on behalf of efforts to grant statehood to the District of Columbia by featuring the phrase, ''Taxation Without Representation.''


I don't know about keyboards and w's and the nature/details of the stunts that were pulled. It doesn't matter.

In other words, Clinton tried to get as much good stuff done for the benefit of the American people before leaving office. I don't see a problem here.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: ThunderDawg
All Presidents, on both sides of the aisle, have this enormous power, and they all use it.


One thing to note is that a Pardon can only be effected with an Admission of Guilt.

No. Read Ford's pardon of Nixon. Nixon never admitted wrong doing.

 

[Baked]

Nuke the Middle East and invade China.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ironwing
In other words, Clinton tried to get as much good stuff done for the benefit of the American people before leaving office. I don't see a problem here.

Seriously.

Can you believe these Bush apologists? Even after an eight year disaster these people seem to want more.

 

[Craig234]

I think most likely, other than some inexcusable pardons, he's done enough damage. He's taken trillions away from the next president with the bailouts. I might be wrong, though.

 

[dbk]

Start a war with Iran/Syria, pardon Ted Stevens

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: techs
Seriously, what if the ONLY thing he gets right in his 8 years as President is screwing it up for the next guy?

You mean the way Clinton tried to do to him?

I hope Bush pisses on the door into the Oval Office after the bullshit treatment that he got in Jan 01.

He probably will. He spent 8 years pissing on the rest of the US.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: techs
Seriously, what if the ONLY thing he gets right in his 8 years as President is screwing it up for the next guy?

You mean the way Clinton tried to do to him?

I hope Bush pisses on the door into the Oval Office after the bullshit treatment that he got in Jan 01.

i hope you aren't talking about the 'w' keys being removed from whitehouse keyboards, because that it turns out was faked by a couple bush staffers.

Yes, there was major national coverage of the Bush team lies about the Clintons - accusing them of stealing lots of items, tearing out wires, etc.

Just goes to show their character from the first days of the administration.

It was a good indication of the extreme partisanship and lying we'd see so much of.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: Craig234
He's taken trillions away from the next president with the bailouts. I might be wrong, though.

Funny, I must be off in my understanding of government again, but I thought the US Congress appropriated funds and passed legislation to be signed by the president. If I remember correctly is was congress controlled by democrats that passed the bailout legislation.....

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Stiganator
I think its criminal that the president can pardon people who are criminals.

No point in pardoning those who ain't.

Touche.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: techs
Seriously, what if the ONLY thing he gets right in his 8 years as President is screwing it up for the next guy?

You mean the way Clinton tried to do to him?

I hope Bush pisses on the door into the Oval Office after the bullshit treatment that he got in Jan 01.

Actually, if you bothered to follow up, many of the supposed things the Bushies did to the incoming President were not true. For example the oft repeated story of the Clinton staffers switching the letters on the keyboards was not true.

btw does the next Vice President get to keep Cheney's man sized safe?

Err, coherence? The 'Bushies' haven't done anything to any incoming President yet.

Here's an article about crap from December 2000. That doesn't even count January 01.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...=&spon=&pagewanted=all

His days as president are dwindling. But over the past few weeks he has proved intent on using the powers of his office right to the end, focusing attention on his agenda and himself, buffing his record for the history books and infuriating his enemies one last time.

On one day he announced new regulations to limit emissions from diesel-powered trucks and buses. On another he imposed new restrictions on the release of medical information by doctors and hospitals.

He has issued rules that would bar federal agencies from giving contracts to companies with a record of breaking labor, environmental or other laws, and set out new requirements for workplace health and safety. Early next month he is expected to make good on a promise to put at least 40 million acres of federal land off limits for road building and other development.

Never mind his decision to put on the presidential limousines new license plates that strike a blow on behalf of efforts to grant statehood to the District of Columbia by featuring the phrase, ''Taxation Without Representation.''


I don't know about keyboards and w's and the nature/details of the stunts that were pulled. It doesn't matter.

In other words, Clinton tried to get as much good stuff done for the benefit of the American people before leaving office. I don't see a problem here.

Not really, since he knew full well that Bush would undo most of these orders. The sole purpose of these was to waste his successor's time and energy; if they had any merit, he had 7+ years to enact them.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: winnar111

Poppy was kind enough to disappear after Nov. 92 and shut his mouth during the Clinton years.

Somalia.

Quote?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Stiganator
I think its criminal that the president can pardon people who are criminals.

No point in pardoning those who ain't.

lol

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: techs
Seriously, what if the ONLY thing he gets right in his 8 years as President is screwing it up for the next guy?

You mean the way Clinton tried to do to him?

I hope Bush pisses on the door into the Oval Office after the bullshit treatment that he got in Jan 01.

Clinton left Bush a sound economy, functioning government, and budget on track to being balanced. Bush fuuked it all up, every last bit of it.

The economy was going in the shitter. Everything else that happened in the govt after that started there. i dont know why people want to pin the slowing economy under Clintons last year on Bush. Bush has done a lot of dumb things but he had little control over the tech bubble collapsing under Clinton.

2000 Q1 = 1.0%
2000Q2 = 6.4%
2000Q3 = -.5%
2000Q4 = 2.1%
2001Q1 = -.5%
2001Q2 = 1.2%
2001Q3 = -1.4%
2001Q4 = 1.6%

Does that look like a sound economy to you?

 

[T2T III]

Has everyone forgotten the 149 pardons that Bill Clinton "cleaned the slate on" before he left office?

Verla Jean Allen (1990 false statements to an agency of the United States).[3]
Nicholas M. Altiere (1983 importation of cocaine)
Bernice Ruth Altschul (1992 money laundering conspiracy)
Joe Anderson Jr. (1988 income tax evasion)
William Sterling Anderson (1987 defraudment of a financial institution, false statements to a financial institution, wire fraud)
Mansour Azizkhani (1984 false statements in bank loan applications)
Cleveland Victor Babin Jr. (1987 using the U.S. mail service to defraud)
Chris Harmon Bagley (1989 conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine)
Scott Lynn Bane (Unlawful distribution of marijuana)
Thomas Cleveland Barber (Issuing worthless checks)
Peggy Ann Bargon (Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act)
David Roscoe Blampied (possess with intent to distribute cocaine)
William Arthur Borders Jr. (Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery)
Arthur David Borel (Odometer Rollback)
Douglas Charles Borel (Odometer Rollback)
George Thomas Brabham (Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank)
Almon Glenn Braswell (1983 mail fraud and perjury)
Leonard Browder (Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud)
David Steven Brown (Securities fraud and mail fraud)
Delores Caroylene Burleson, aka Delores Cox Burleson (Possession of Marijuana)
John H. Bustamante (wire fraud)
Mary Louise Campbell
Eloida Candelaria
Dennis Sobrevinas Capili
Donna Denise Chambers
Douglas Eugene Chapman
Ronald Keith Chapman
Francisco Larois Chavez
Henry Cisneros (former HUD Secretary)
Roger Clinton, Jr. Cocaine charges(half-brother of President Bill Clinton)[3]
Stuart Harris Cohn
David Marc Cooper
Ernest Harley Cox Jr.
John F. Cross Jr.
Reickey Lee Cunningham
Richard Anthony De Labio
John Deutch (former Director of Central Intelligence Agency)
Richard Douglas
Edward Reynolds Downe
Marvin Dean Dudley
Larry Lee Duncan
Galen R. Elmore (Convicted of cattle theft)
Robert Clinton Fain
Marcos Arcenio Fernandez
Alvarez Ferrouillet
Henry O. Flipper - guilty of "conduct unbecoming an officer" (1882)
William Dennis Fugazy
Lloyd Reid George
Louis Goldstein
Rubye Lee Gordon
Pincus Green
Robert Ivey Hamner
Samuel Price Handley
Woodie Randolph Handley
Jay Houston Harmon
Rick Hendrick
John Hummingson
David S. Herdlinger
Debi Rae Huckleberry
Warren C. Hultgren Jr.
Donald Ray James
Stanley Pruet Jobe
Ruben H. Johnson
Linda Jones
James Howard Lake
June Louise Lewis
Salim Bonnor Lewis
John Leighton Lodwick
Hildebrando Lopez
Jose Julio Luaces
James Timothy Maness
James Lowell Manning, (1982, aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate income tax return)
John Robert Martin
Frank Ayala Martinez
Silvia Leticia Beltran Martinez
John Francis McCormick
Susan H. McDougal
Howard Mechanic
Brook K. Mitchell Sr.
Samuel Loring Morison
Charles Wilfred Morgan III
Richard Anthony Nazzaro
Charlene Ann Nosenko
Vernon Raymond Obermeier
Miguelina Ogalde
David C. Owen
Robert W. Palmer
Kelli Anne Perhosky
Richard H. Pezzopane
Orville Rex Phillips
Vinson Stewart Poling Jr.
James G. Powell
Norman Lyle Prouse
Willie H.H. Pruitt Jr.[4]
Danny Martin Pursley Sr.
Charles D. Ravenel
William Clyde Ray
Alfredo Luna Regalado
Ildefonso Reynes Ricafort
Marc Rich
Howard Winfield Riddle
Richard Wilson Riley Jr., Cocaine and marijuana charges, His father was Clinton's Education Secretary.[4]
Samuel Lee Robbins
Joel Gonzales Rodriguez
Michael James Rogers
Anna Louise Ross
Dan Rostenkowski - Former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office Scandal
Gerald Glen Rust
Jerri Ann Rust
Bettye June Rutherford
Gregory Lee Sands
Adolph Schwimmer
Albert A. Seretti Jr.
Patricia Campbell Hearst Shaw
Dennis Joseph Smith
Gerald Owen Smith
Stephen A. Smith
Jimmie Lee Speake
Charles Bernard Stewart
Marlena Francisca Stewart-Rollins
Fife Symington III - former Arizona governor
Richard Lee Tannehill
Nicholas C. Tenaglia
Gary Allen Thomas
Larry Weldon Todd
Olga C. Trevino
Ignatious Vamvouklis
Patricia A. Van De Weerd
Christopher V. Wade
Bill Wayne Warmath
Jack Kenneth Watson
Donna Lynn Webb
Donald William Wells
Robert H. Wendt
Jack L. Williams
Kavin Arthur Williams
Robert Michael Williams
Jimmie Lee Wilson
Thelma Louise Wingate
Mitchell Couey Wood
Warren Stannard Wood
Dewey Worthey
Rick Allen Yale
Joseph A. Yasak
William Stanley Yingling
Phillip David Young
Keith Sanders
Darren Muci
John Scott (not a full pardon)

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: dbk
Start a war with Iran/Syria, pardon Ted Stevens

Attack Syria.

Wait ... he's already done that!

What next?

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: T2T III
Has everyone forgotten the 149 pardons that Bill Clinton "cleaned the slate on" before he left office?

Only 149?

Nixon issued 926 pardons
Carter issued 566 pardons and general amnesty for Vietnam draft dodgers
Bush 41 issued 75 pardons
Reagan issued 393 pardons and 13 clemencies
Bush 43 has already issued 159 pardons & 6 clemencies and has yet to finish his term, traditionally thats when the long list comes out.

Clinton was relatively meager with his pardons.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: T2T III
Has everyone forgotten the 149 pardons that Bill Clinton "cleaned the slate on" before he left office?

Only 149?

Nixon issued 926 pardons
Carter issued 566 pardons and general amnesty for Vietnam draft dodgers
Bush 41 issued 75 pardons
Reagan issued 393 pardons and 13 clemencies
Bush 43 has already issued 159 pardons & 6 clemencies and has yet to finish his term, traditionally thats when the long list comes out.

Clinton was relatively meager with his pardons.

Clinton has 396 pardons and 61 clemencies on your own link. More than Reagan, more than Poppy, and more than W is on pace for.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: T2T III
Has everyone forgotten the 149 pardons that Bill Clinton "cleaned the slate on" before he left office?

Only 149?

Nixon issued 926 pardons
Carter issued 566 pardons and general amnesty for Vietnam draft dodgers
Bush 41 issued 75 pardons
Reagan issued 393 pardons and 13 clemencies
Bush 43 has already issued 159 pardons & 6 clemencies and has yet to finish his term, traditionally thats when the long list comes out.

Clinton was relatively meager with his pardons.

Clinton has 396 pardons and 61 clemencies on your own link. More than Reagan, more than Poppy, and more than W is on pace for.

Thanks for your correction. I retrieved Clinton's numbers from WikiPedia - which, I guess can't be trusted too far.