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The Kaveri Pre-Launch Thread (A10-7800 and A10-6800k @3,5 Ghz)

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ElFenix said:
well, i don't know why you wouldn't write everything to have the same embargo time. much of the information that'll be presented in reviews is going to have come from that conference, i would expect.
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I just want to point out that as I type this, it's 3:25 PM,Tuesday January 14th at Christmas Island, Kiribati...

The poor Christmas Island folks have been wondering all day where the Kaveri benches are... they did say Tuesday, after all!
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8 AM EDT, huh? Less than 12 hours to go!
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Computer Bottleneck said:
Using Newegg prices are a comparison for pre-built desktops:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...el%20Core%20i3 (Core i3 starts @ $399)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...8-Series%20APU (A8-6500 APU starts @ $479)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...0-Series%20APU (A10-6700 APU starts @ $499)

Using the Current Fry's sale for Pre-builts here is what I am coming up with:

http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com...-PC-with-4th-Gen-Intel-Core-i3-4130-Processor (Core i3 for $348)

http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com...80-UR22-Desktop-PC-with-AMD-A8-6500-Processor (A8-6500 for $448)

Now granted the Core i3 systems come with 4GB RAM vs. 8GB for the AMD systems, but that still a pretty big disparity in pricing IMO.
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I can do that too...
http://www.portatech.com/products/product.cshtml?id=74784&o=74780
A10-5800K for $352, w/4 GB Memory and 500 GB HDD. 4742 Passmark score.
BTW, A10-6800K adds $48 to the price, w/5214 Passmark score.

Same place, i3-3420. $360.
http://www.portatech.com/products/product.cshtml?id=76051&o=76073
i3-3420 w/4 GB Memory and 500 GB HDD. 4463 Passmark score.

Same place, i3-4340. $499. Same config. 5115 Passmark Score.
http://www.portatech.com/products/product.cshtml?id=79427&o=82588
 
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DaZeeMan said:
I just want to point out that as I type this, it's 3:25 PM,Tuesday January 14th at Christmas Island, Kiribati...

The poor Christmas Island folks have been wondering all day where the Kaveri benches are... they did say Tuesday, after all!
:biggrin:

8 AM EDT, huh? Less than 12 hours to go!
:whiste:
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No, not EDT. EST. Daylight saving time is in the summer.


schmuckley said:
It should be midnight of the 13th EST.
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Which was more than 22 hours ago. Or is it an hour and a half from now? :hmm:
 
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I can't get excited about any of this crap. Core i3, Kaveri, bleh.

Same problem as ever. $100 buys a 7790 or even better if you go used (saw a 660ti 2GB go for $99!). Combo that with almost any modern CPU and IGPU/APU looks like garbage.

So the 1% of overall PC buyers who can tell the difference between an HD4250 IGP + Phenom II and a 5800K (gamers) would be better served by a discrete GPU anyway. And the 99% of regular desktop users (facebook/MS office/yadda) would be just as well off with .. well almost anything to be honest.

dGPU is a moving target as well, before long the $99 GPU will make a complete mockery of Iris Pro/etc.
 
Arkaign said:
I can't get excited about any of this crap. Core i3, Kaveri, bleh.

Same problem as ever. $100 buys a 7790 or even better if you go used (saw a 660ti 2GB go for $99!). Combo that with almost any modern CPU and IGPU/APU looks like garbage.

So the 1% of overall PC buyers who can tell the difference between an HD4250 IGP + Phenom II and a 5800K (gamers) would be better served by a discrete GPU anyway. And the 99% of regular desktop users (facebook/MS office/yadda) would be just as well off with .. well almost anything to be honest.

dGPU is a moving target as well, before long the $99 GPU will make a complete mockery of Iris Pro/etc.
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yet still tries to troll by bringing up the same argument that has been used against AMDs apus. Come on man try something new. The more you spend the more performance you can get. The upsale is a function of our capitalist society...for just $x more you can get this or that. What about the other merits of the chip?
 
ElFenix said:
No, not EDT. EST. Daylight saving time is in the summer.
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Yeah yeah, I suck at those abbreviations - thanks for the clarification! 😉 (having to wait an extra hour would suck). BTW, Arizona is my hero for NOT buying in to the whole daylight savings time thing!
 
Arkaign said:
So the 1% of overall PC buyers who can tell the difference between an HD4250 IGP + Phenom II and a 5800K (gamers)
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Quite a poor argument for whom have used both configurations,
i guess that accuracy is not that important and even counter
productive when trashing a product using such exagerations
that end being meaningless.
 
monstercameron said:
yet still tries to troll by bringing up the same argument that has been used against AMDs apus. Come on man try something new. The more you spend the more performance you can get. The upsale is a function of our capitalist society...for just $x more you can get this or that. What about the other merits of the chip?
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I see this thread all the time, don't worry I won't load it up full of crap 🙂 I'm just being honest.

Value gamer gets better options elsewhere if they're smart
And the general public who literally have no clue because they only do email/office/facebook won't know anyway

http://www.thinkcomputers.org/amd-kaveri-a10-7850k-and-a10-7700k-prices-revealed/

If this is true, then :

$190 7850K
$50 mobo (?? why pay more for a system of this type?)

So $240 for a meh combo. Compare to :

$90 760K Richland
$50 mobo (same mobo of course)
$100 7790 1GB GDDR5

Eh? And you don't even need anything more than budget 1333/1600 memory and stock clocks to get fantastic entry-level performance from a 760K + 7790 combo. Standard daily usage will be roughly equal from a general use perspective, but for gamers the 7790 GDDR5 will absolutely dominate the Kaveri.

That's why I can't get any excitement from this. It's not like the righteous 8800GTX or 290X launch, or seeing a kickbutt new CPU release that blows the doors off of the predecessor (a la Athlon 64, Conroe, Phenom II vs. PhI, Celeron 300A, Sandy Bridge). It's not even a moderately impressive release in performance terms. It's more of a 'look at that, integrated GPU is now slightly less terrible than the last time, woohoo'.

In fact, the only thing I can see about this is that it will at least offer some interesting choices in budget notebooks? Would I rather have a well built Kaveri notebook instead of a Pentium Dual core or i3? Sure! But still, it wouldn't thrill me. I'd be shocked to see a budget notebook even ship with DDR3-1866, let alone the 2133/2400 or quad channel you need to really get passable.

Respectfully not trying to be a troll, that's just honestly how I feel.
 
Arkaign said:
I see this thread all the time, don't worry I won't load it up full of crap 🙂 I'm just being honest.

Value gamer gets better options elsewhere if they're smart
And the general public who literally have no clue because they only do email/office/facebook won't know anyway

http://www.thinkcomputers.org/amd-kaveri-a10-7850k-and-a10-7700k-prices-revealed/

If this is true, then :

$190 7850K
$50 mobo (?? why pay more for a system of this type?)

So $240 for a meh combo. Compare to :

$90 760K Richland
$50 mobo (same mobo of course)
$100 7790 1GB GDDR5

Eh? And you don't even need anything more than budget 1333/1600 memory and stock clocks to get fantastic entry-level performance from a 760K + 7790 combo. Standard daily usage will be roughly equal from a general use perspective, but for gamers the 7790 GDDR5 will absolutely dominate the Kaveri.

That's why I can't get any excitement from this. It's not like the righteous 8800GTX or 290X launch, or seeing a kickbutt new CPU release that blows the doors off of the predecessor (a la Athlon 64, Conroe, Phenom II vs. PhI, Celeron 300A, Sandy Bridge). It's not even a moderately impressive release in performance terms. It's more of a 'look at that, integrated GPU is now slightly less terrible than the last time, woohoo'.

In fact, the only thing I can see about this is that it will at least offer some interesting choices in budget notebooks? Would I rather have a well built Kaveri notebook instead of a Pentium Dual core or i3? Sure! But still, it wouldn't thrill me. I'd be shocked to see a budget notebook even ship with DDR3-1866, let alone the 2133/2400 or quad channel you need to really get passable.

Respectfully not trying to be a troll, that's just honestly how I feel.
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ok you have been validated, sorry for coming off hostile, at the moment it isnt a great valie at it current price.
 
Abwx said:
Quite a poor argument for whom have used both configurations,
i guess that accuracy is not that important and even counter
productive when trashing a product using such exagerations
that end being meaningless.
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Eh? I've owned several nice PhII X4 and X6 systems, and have a spare A8 notebook with a cheap Toshiba SSD. Regular usage is indistinguishable for typical stuff. Open a web browser, check no problems, open a word doc, check no problems, open several windows, check check check.

In fact, I think in a blind test nobody would really be able to tell the difference with these kinds of uses. Who can really argue with that?
 
I've been waiting for these for a while. I wanted DDR4 support though, guess I'll be waiting for the next iteration. Unless my current rig pops smoke, then I'll be getting the top A10. Wish you could get Iris Pro for desktop.

A Iris Pro with DDR4 support would be ideal for what I'm looking at. I want HSA and think that DDR4 Iris Pro or DDR4 Kaveri on the desktop would replace my need for a discrete GPU.

Or Kaveri iteration with same L4 cache and quadchannel DDR4 support, which is probably the ideal setup for an APU. As a developer, these HSA innovations are intriguing. DDR4, next time maybe. I'm also an avid gamer, mostly LoL, Chivalry and Killing Floor. I'm pretty certain at the settings I run them at (default settings / medium) and resolution (1080) my theoretical Iris Pro desktop or DDR4 Kaveri would do the job well enough.
 
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I'm getting excited. Typical cpu these days from both Intel and AMD can run just about any typical program the average consumer uses such as office, youtube, facebook, etc...with room to spare. Now if I was building mom dad a PC, I'd get the Kaveri knowing that when I visit I can play some games =D
 
Arkaign said:
Eh? I've owned several nice PhII X4 and X6 systems, and have a spare A8 notebook with a cheap Toshiba SSD. Regular usage is indistinguishable for typical stuff. Open a web browser, check no problems, open a word doc, check no problems, open several windows, check check check.

In fact, I think in a blind test nobody would really be able to tell the difference with these kinds of uses. Who can really argue with that?
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Quite possible but this imply that gaming is brought out
of the equation.

monstercameron said:
ok you have been validated, sorry for coming off hostile, at the moment it isnt a great valie at it current price.
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20% more expensive than a 6800K for 10% better CPU perfs
and 30-50% better GPU , not counting all tne new features,
not to say that it s cheap but the logic under thoses prices
is quite obvious.
 
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Abwx said:
Quite possible but this imply that gaming is brought out
of the equation.
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Oh definitely. I apologize if I didn't make that more clear.

Gamers hands-down would certainly much prefer the Kaveri to a PhII + IGP setup. My comment was purely for the majority of typical users (we all know tons of them) whose most exotic gaming efforts on PC might have been farmville. The usual Facebook/Gmail/Web people.
 
Abwx said:
20% more expensive than a 6800K for 10% better CPU perfs
and 30-50% better GPU , not counting all tne new features,
not to say that it s cheap but the logic under thoses prices
is quite obvious.
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Yes, but would a gamer rather have :

7850k @ $240 combo
v
760k + 7790 @ $240 combo?

That's what gets me. Unless you need a super slim case that has no room for dGPU (or laptop build).
 
Arkaign said:
Yes, but would a gamer rather have :

7850k @ $240 combo
v
760k + 7790 @ $240 combo?

That's what gets me. Unless you need a super slim case that has no room for dGPU (or laptop build).
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you are definitely correct, for a gamer that latter combo is more ideal. Though,I don't think that is what abwx is arguing.
 
Ah well. I know it will be a good solid performer for those who buy them. I have said what I wanted to say, and respect other opinions as well. And with that, I'm outta here 🙂 Happy APU'ing!
 
Arkaign said:
Yes, but would a gamer rather have :

7850k @ $240 combo
v
760k + 7790 @ $240 combo?

That's what gets me. Unless you need a super slim case that has no room for dGPU (or laptop build).
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That s the whole point , current tendency is for small form factors
that could barely if ever host a dGPU , be it laptops or small non
intrusive DTs as well as AIOs , looks like Kaveri is designed to serve
thoses markets , usual ATX and mATX casing becoming less relevant
and more suited to workstations or traditional beefy gaming PCs.
 
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