The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

[HumblePie]

Yes if you ignore relevant information you can make anything into hypocrisy:

Person A: You should wash your hands frequently with hot water and soap.
Person B: Okay, wash your hands with boiling water.
Person A: What? No, I don't want to burn my hands.
Person B: But boiling water is hot water, what are you some sort of hypocrite?

This is actually a perfect analogy of Starbuck's retarded thinking, now that I see it on the screen. Believe women becomes believe all women including serial liars, the same way that wash with hot water becomes wash with all hot water, including boiling water.

Anyway, you acknowledge that "people who do that are [not] right." I agree. I don't care about the people who do that. If you want to ignore burden of proof, then you are a person who does that, and that is wrong.

Relevant info? What the hell are you talking about?

I came into this thread not intending to post but was just reading the comments. I started seeing a trend of people just posting actions of Tara in her past and using that to judge her. Same people don't do the same for Joe's past to judge him. Hypocrisy was found. Simple as that.

 

[fskimospy]

Really are you going down this road? wow, just wow...

It's not groping or fondling – it is sexual assault

Using euphemistic language downplays the severity of an offence and enforces a dangerous message: it isn’t a big deal, and victims won’t be taken seriously

www.theguardian.com

People convicted of sexual assault crimes of inappropriate sexual contact don't tend to make the news. It is a very under reported crime. Laws also vary in the states for definitions, but there is always lesser degrees of misdemeanors for various acts of inappropriate sexually based touching. Some states it is a very minor offense and some it is more major.

(https://feltg.com/its-called-sexual-misconduct-for-a-reason/)

As for a specific example:

(https://www.lansingstatejournal.com...buse-molest-jury-washington-woods/3853416002/)



So accusations of smelling hair, touching, kissing, and other unwanted sexually based touching are all accusations leveled previously at Biden.

Your link explicitly talks about how that conduct was a precursor to sexual assault, not that it was itself sexual assault.

So in other words you couldn’t find even one case. Thanks for confirming.

 

[HumblePie]

Your link explicitly talks about how that conduct was a precursor to sexual assault, not that it was itself sexual assault.

So in other words you couldn’t find even one case. Thanks for confirming.

Uh, no. You fail to read. The more explicit actions of sexual assault were what brought the case to light. However, in the end Patrick was convicted of 18 counts criminal sex offense which also include the lesser charges where he didn't engage in anything more than inappropriate sexual touching. It wasn't report initially because he started small and worked up to more on some of the kids. However, he was convicted on all accounts whether the touching was bigger or smaller offense.

 

[Starbuck1975]

What he’s done is adopt starbuck‘s characterization of the “me too” movement which is to believe women without question and apparently questioning means you are either a rape apologist or engaged in character assassination.

Nice strawman

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yes if you ignore relevant information you can make anything into hypocrisy:

Person A: You should wash your hands frequently with hot water and soap.
Person B: Okay, wash your hands with boiling water.
Person A: What? No, I don't want to burn my hands.
Person B: But boiling water is hot water, what are you some sort of hypocrite?

This is actually a perfect analogy of Starbuck's retarded thinking, now that I see it on the screen. Believe women becomes believe all women including serial liars, the same way that wash with hot water becomes wash with all hot water, including boiling water.

Anyway, you acknowledge that "people who do that are [not] right." I agree. I don't care about the people who do that. If you want to ignore burden of proof, then you are a person who does that, and that is wrong.

If you don’t adopt politically opportunistic standards, you won’t find yourself in the predicament of being a hypocrite. I don’t expect you to understand the distinction.

 

[fskimospy]

Uh, no. You fail to read. The more explicit actions were brought up. The 18 counts also include the lesser charges where he didn't engage in anything more than inappropriate sexual touching. It wasn't report initially because he started small and worked up to more on some of the kids. However, he was convicted on all accounts whether the touching was bigger or smaller offense.

This is false, there is nothing in the article that states he was convicted of sexual assault for touching the kids on their back or whatever. If anything, the article says the opposite as the defense argued that he ONLY touched them on the back, etc., and that therefore his conduct was legal. If you believe otherwise link the indictment or the conviction that demonstrates as much. Absent that, please show a single, solitary conviction for someone touching people in the manner Biden is described as doing in your previous link.

I don't even know why you're bothering with this, it's transparent nonsense. We both know nobody would ever get a sexual assault conviction for someone smelling another person's hair you're just mentally ill so you can't admit you said something dumb.

 

[ivwshane]

Nice strawman

Oh so you haven’t been complaining about democrats sticking to a standard you created for them or do you not know what a straw man is?

 

[ivwshane]

If you don’t adopt politically opportunistic standards, you won’t find yourself in the predicament of being a hypocrite. I don’t expect you to understand the distinction.

Nice straw man.
Only you have claimed they’ve adopted such a standard.

 

[dank69]

If you don’t adopt politically opportunistic standards, you won’t find yourself in the predicament of being a hypocrite. I don’t expect you to understand the distinction.

I'll try to be better at predicting how you will misinterpret statements in the future. Please accept my humblest apology.

 

[fskimospy]

Quote from the prosecutor's closing statement:

"This trusted adult ... used this innocent touching as a way to gain access and sexually abuse these eight children," Johnson said.

Not even the prosecution was arguing that touching people in non-sexual areas was assault or even wrong.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I'll try to be better at predicting how you will misinterpret statements in the future. Please accept my humblest apology.

I appreciate the concession but anticipate you will fail in your feeble attempts to correct your behavior. I suggest not posting, that would definitively solve the problem.

 

[HumblePie]

This is false, there is nothing in the article that states he was convicted of sexual assault for touching the kids on their back or whatever. If anything, the article says the opposite as the defense argued that he ONLY touched them on the back, etc., and that therefore his conduct was legal. If you believe otherwise link the indictment or the conviction that demonstrates as much. Absent that, please show a single, solitary conviction for someone touching people in the manner Biden is described as doing in your previous link.

I don't even know why you're bothering with this, it's transparent nonsense. We both know nobody would ever get a sexual assault conviction for someone smelling another person's hair you're just mentally ill so you can't admit you said something dumb.

The defense failed because it was more than simple touching of various body parts. It was sexual intent and that was why all charges stuck. It was a pattern of behavior that allowed all of the charges to stick and the fact that he touched the penis of one of the boys. He touched only one boy on the genitals but all sexual criminal charges stuck.

Smelling another persons' hair would be sexual assault if there is sexual intent behind it. Just the one act is hard to prove. A repetition of the act isn't. Also it was more than just smelling hair as allegations in his past. It includes inappropriate messages, kisses, and other forms of touching. Sexual harassment and abuse doesn't even have to involve touching at all. It can be all verbal.

 

[dank69]

Relevant info? What the hell are you talking about?

I came into this thread not intending to post but was just reading the comments. I started seeing a trend of people just posting actions of Tara in her past and using that to judge her. Same people don't do the same for Joe's past to judge him. Hypocrisy was found. Simple as that.

Judging actions that are relevant to whether or not she is a trustworthy person. How trustworthy Joe is is not relevant to determining if Tara is lying or not. Tara could accuse Trump of something similar and her claims would be just as credible despite the fact that Trump is the most prolific liar of any politician we've seen in our lifetimes.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Oh so you haven’t been complaining about democrats sticking to a standard you created for them or do you not know what a straw man is?

You stated I was mischaracterizing the #metoo movement. I support the #metoo movement. It’s unfortunate the damage done to it by Democrats in their attempts to politicize it.

 

[fskimospy]

The defense failed because it was more than simple touching of various body parts. It was sexual intent and that was why all charges stuck. It was a pattern of behavior that allowed all of the charges to stick and the fact that he touched the penis of one of the boys. He touched only one boy on the genitals but all sexual criminal charges stuck.

Smelling another persons' hair would be sexual assault if there is sexual intent behind it. Just the one act is hard to prove. A repetition of the act isn't. Also it was more than just smelling hair as allegations in his past. It includes inappropriate messages, kisses, and other forms of touching.

First, all the charges didn't stick, so you have your basic facts wrong.

Second, the prosecutor himself described the touching similar to what Biden did as innocent. Are you saying the prosecutor was lying? Do you know the law better than him?

Regardless, show me the charge where touching a kid on the back was the basis. Quote it to me.

 

[dank69]

I appreciate the concession but anticipate you will fail in your feeble attempts to correct your behavior. I suggest not posting, that would definitively solve the problem.

You are right, I will fail to predict how poorly you interpret things. I was just thinking surely you would pick up on the sarcasm in that post and realize how stupid it is to expect someone else to predict your behavior but here we are.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Judging actions that are relevant to whether or not she is a trustworthy person. How trustworthy Joe is is not relevant to determining if Tara is lying or not. Tara could accuse Trump of something similar and her claims would be just as credible despite the fact that Trump is the most prolific liar of any politician we've seen in our lifetimes.

If Tara has people willing to consistently corroborate those accusations against Trump over time, her allegations should receive the same level of consideration and validation that Democrats afforded to Dr. Ford.

 

[ivwshane]

You stated I was mischaracterizing the #metoo movement. I support the #metoo movement. It’s unfortunate the damage done to it by Democrats in their attempts to politicize it.

Oh so you don’t know what a straw man is.

 

[fskimospy]

If Tara has people willing to consistently corroborate those accusations against Trump over time, her allegations should receive the same level of consideration and validation that Democrats afforded to Dr. Ford.

The people who corroborate her claims have also changed their stories similarly to how Reade did.

 

[dank69]

The defense failed because it was more than simple touching of various body parts. It was sexual intent and that was why all charges stuck. It was a pattern of behavior that allowed all of the charges to stick and the fact that he touched the penis of one of the boys. He touched only one boy on the genitals but all sexual criminal charges stuck.

Smelling another persons' hair would be sexual assault if there is sexual intent behind it. Just the one act is hard to prove. A repetition of the act isn't. Also it was more than just smelling hair as allegations in his past. It includes inappropriate messages, kisses, and other forms of touching.

Repeated attempts to smell hair after being informed that the behavior is unwanted would rise to the level of harassment, not assault. Smelling a person's hair one time or even a few times when that person has never asked you to stop would not be either.

 

[fskimospy]

Repeated attempts to smell hair after being informed that the behavior is unwanted would rise to the level of harassment, not assault. Smelling a person's hair one time or even a few times when that person has never asked you to stop would not be either.

I mean it’s a transparently ridiculous claim and no DA would ever bring such a charge, hence why I challenged him to link a case, we all know that’s impossible.

‘Smelling someone’s hair is sexual assault’ has to be one of the stupidest things someone on here has ever said and that’s saying a lot.

 

[dank69]

If Tara has people willing to consistently corroborate those accusations against Trump over time, her allegations should receive the same level of consideration and validation that Democrats afforded to Dr. Ford.

Yeah, but she doesn't have people that are willing to consistently corroborate her story that Biden penetrated her. She has one person that suddenly remembered it that way when Tara "reminded" her that was what she said happened way back when. Everyone else that has corroborated her has only corroborated that "something" happened to her. That "something" varies from hair sniffing, shoulder touching, and even some sort of harassment from someone in Biden's office, not even Biden.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yeah, but she doesn't have people that are willing to consistently corroborate her story that Biden penetrated her. She has one person that suddenly remembered it that way when Tara "reminded" her that was what she said happened way back when. Everyone else that has corroborated her has only corroborated that "something" happened to her. That "something" varies from hair sniffing, shoulder touching, and even some sort of harassment from someone in Biden's office, not even Biden.

How is that different than Dr. Ford’s allegations?

 

[HumblePie]

Repeated attempts to smell hair after being informed that the behavior is unwanted would rise to the level of harassment, not assault. Smelling a person's hair one time or even a few times when that person has never asked you to stop would not be either.

Depends on where you are at. Some states/munipalities criminalize attempts at sexual gratification as sexual assault. Like if someone masturbates off of an act. If Biden was using the hair smelling to wank off it could be sexual assault criminal charge. Impossible to prove unless he is doing in front of the person though. Although most states would treat it as a sexual deviancy crime like a peeping tom.

The accusations against Biden are not only smelling hair. They include kissing, hugging, and touching intimate parts.

Lucy Flores
“I felt him get closer to me from behind,” she wrote. “He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. … He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused.”

unwanted kissing in some states counts as a sex crime.

Caitlyn Caruso
The next day, Caruso, a sexual assault survivor who met Biden three years ago when she was a 19-year-old college student at an event related to sexual assault at the University of Nevada–Las Vegas, told the New York Times about her experience with Biden. She said Biden “rested his hand on her thigh—even as she squirmed in her seat to show her discomfort—and hugged her ‘just a little bit too long,’ ” according to the Times.

The thigh is listed in many states as an intimate body part for sexual assault charges of sexual contact.

Many of the allegations may not be listed as sexual crimes by various states, but would be listed as other types of crimes though. My post didn't list that all those allegations were sexual crimes. I stated that multiple people have alleged Joe Biden of sexual assault.

multiple people had said Joe Biden had previous sexual assaults, not just that one.

Tara Reade, Lucy Flores, and Caitlyn Caruso would be multiple people and depending on where those actions occurred would be criminal sexual assault charges.

Biden also has a larger history of sexual harassment allegations which are civil offenses still.

 

[Jhhnn]

First, all the charges didn't stick, so you have your basic facts wrong.

Second, the prosecutor himself described the touching similar to what Biden did as innocent. Are you saying the prosecutor was lying? Do you know the law better than him?

Regardless, show me the charge where touching a kid on the back was the basis. Quote it to me.

Troll in reserve. They were hoping they wouldn't have to play him.