The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

[sandorski]

The only reason we have to believe there is anything in the records is her claim that some unnamed person on some unknown date told her so! The easiest way to get an idea of if that’s true or not is to simply ask her who she talked to and when. Then we can talk to that person and confirm what Reade is saying is accurate.

Doesn’t that sound super simple and easy?

No, the way to find out is to look at the Records.

 

[sandorski]

Let's redo this Post....

Someone recently made the proclamation that they didn't believe Tara based upon some unrelated Work issues she had. I wonder if they apply that as a universal principle or just for Tara?

Biden has had strange interactions, many on video, with women in the Past. Are Tara's allegations really that dissimilar? I mean, they are just a step maybe 2 more than what we have seen and really not much different than what many Men use as "Moves" to seduce a Woman.

So same Standard?

 

[soundforbjt]

Brett Kavanaugh and Al Franken did not have that experience

Pretty sure there were pictures involved in Franken's and multiple accusers.

 

[fskimospy]

No, the way to find out is to look at the Records.

So to be clear you believe it is better to have people pore through millions of unindexed records, likely taking many weeks or months, instead of taking a day to confirm that what they are looking for is even there? There’s no way you actually believe this, you’re just afraid that it will turn out she’s full of shit.

I personally am 100% in favor of any report she made against Biden being made public. If all was done properly a complaint like that would also likely include some attempt at contemporaneous investigation so we could see what they thought and we could see if what she wrote jibes with what she’s saying now.

What I suspect though is that there is no complaint, otherwise it seems odd to be so cagey about it and it seems strange that no one can find any record of it. I’m not sure of this as it is Congress and any number of dumb things can happen but a complaint no one can remember and no one can find any record of is problematic.

 

[sandorski]

So to be clear you believe it is better to have people pore through millions of unindexed records, likely taking many weeks or months, instead of taking a day to confirm that what they are looking for is even there? There’s no way you actually believe this, you’re just afraid that it will turn out she’s full of shit.

I personally am 100% in favor of any report she made against Biden being made public. If all was done properly a complaint like that would also likely include some attempt at contemporaneous investigation so we could see what they thought and we could see if what she wrote jibes with what she’s saying now.

What I suspect though is that there is no complaint, otherwise it seems odd to be so cagey about it and it seems strange that no one can find any record of it. I’m not sure of this as it is Congress and any number of dumb things can happen but a complaint no one can remember and no one can find any record of is problematic.

So we can't look at the Records, because Reasons. Yet, you are 100% in favour of the Report being made Public! How noble of you...

No Officer, I won't let you in the house to speak with my Wife. It's that time of the Month, she's a little hysterical, she called 911. You know how it is....

 

[dank69]

Have you lived in a state where the Republican party has been effectively defeated? Do you know how the Democrats act in those states? It's worse than how the national Party acts.

I'm not talking about the state level. Why even bring up the state level when discussing the federal level? Some Democrats suck, yes, but ALL Republicans suck, and suck worse. Every. Single. One. Some states are doing just fine under Democrat control.

 

[JEDIYoda]

so is there a difference between touching the neck or hair and inserting a digit you know where???? What don`t you all understand?
Nobody is saying Biden doesn`t have issues with touching necks or hair...etc....
But now it turns into he is into inserting digits??? Smacks of a set up to me......
The Republicans are afraid of Biden!
Let the voters decide the worse of two evils?
After all Trump supporters said and mind you they did say this -- the elections are coming up, let the American people decide.....
I say the same about Biden....let the American people decide in November....
What is good for Trump is good for Biden....capiche??

 

[soundforbjt]

If Tara was more ethical, maybe she wouldn't be peddling her story on Fox News and Tucker's site. I'm sure the Bros will say no one else will give her time as an excuse even though they should despise Fox News as much as any liberal.

While Tara Reade initially came forward with a sexual assault allegation against Joe Biden in interviews with left-wing outlets, she’s now channeling her story in part through right-wing media. Over the past few days, Reade, a former Biden Senate staffer who accused her then boss of assaulting her in 1993, has given multiple exclusive interviews to FoxNews.com and the Daily Caller, a conservative site cofounded by Tucker Carlson. No new details corroborating the allegation, which Biden’s campaign has repeatedly denied, have been brought to light during these talks. So far, Reade has used her time in the conservative media spotlight to call for the release of records she says may support her allegation, and to criticize the mainstream media and Democrats, who she believes are covering for party’s presumptive nominee.

 

[fskimospy]

So we can't look at the Records, because Reasons. Yet, you are 100% in favour of the Report being made Public! How noble of you...

No Officer, I won't let you in the house to speak with my Wife. It's that time of the Month, she's a little hysterical, she called 911. You know how it is....

The reason is simple, we have no reason to believe the records are actually there. How is this hard to understand.

Funny how you’re all for posting over millions of records for weeks or months but find asking someone who told them something to be way too much. Lol.

 

[dank69]

No, the way to find out is to look at the Records.

If Biden let you see all of his records and you found nothing to corroborate Reade's story you would just accuse him of destroying the records.

 

[fskimospy]

If Tara was more ethical, maybe she wouldn't be peddling her story on Fox News and Tucker's site. I'm sure the Bros will say no one else will give her time as an excuse even though they should despise Fox News as much as any liberal.

As part of her initial claims she says the media wouldn’t call her back. It turns out the Post had interviewed her multiple times.

 

[sandorski]

If Tara was more ethical, maybe she wouldn't be peddling her story on Fox News and Tucker's site. I'm sure the Bros will say no one else will give her time as an excuse even though they should despise Fox News as much as any liberal.

So now she's Guilty by Association? Is everyone who appears on Fox News also some nefarious Actor?

 

[Moonbeam]

If the reports she tried to scam the horse people are true than we can assume her to be a person of dubious character, it seems to me, in which case she may have been operating her whole adult lifetime preparing stories for future scams. Her methodology seems to be to garner sympathy from people and would know full well what kinds of people would make blackmail targets somewhere down the line. The subversion of intelligence into cunning is what makes for a criminal mind.

 

[sandorski]

The reason is simple, we have no reason to believe the records are actually there. How is this hard to understand.

Funny how you’re all for posting over millions of records for weeks or months but find asking someone who told them something to be way too much. Lol.

So you admit that finding the Truth is not up to Tara. You just don't want anyone looking through the Records.

 

[sandorski]

If Biden let you see all of his records and you found nothing to corroborate Reade's story you would just accuse him of destroying the records.

...and what if I did. There is one way to find out if Tara is telling the Truth and/or whether I would accuse Biden of destroying records.

 

[sandorski]

If the reports she tried to scam the horse people are true than we can assume her to be a person of dubious character, it seems to me, in which case she may have been operating her whole adult lifetime preparing stories for future scams. Her methodology seems to be to garner sympathy from people and would know full well what kinds of people would make blackmail targets somewhere down the line. The subversion of intelligence into cunning is what makes for a criminal mind.

Biden tried to "Scam" the American Public numerous times.....[insert logical conclusions]

 

[JEDIYoda]

So now she's Guilty by Association? Is everyone who appears on Fox News also some nefarious Actor?

WoW!! You finally get it!! Congratulations!!! Say Hello to your friend Tulsi......

 

[JEDIYoda]

...and what if I did. There is one way to find out if Tara is telling the Truth and/or whether I would accuse Biden of destroying records.

hahahahaaaaaaaaa...yeah right!! Even Trump won`t go there.....

 

[sandorski]

The truth of the matter is that this issue is not going away and it increasingly is getting worse. Slowly the likes of MSNBC and others are being forced to grapple with it and as they do so the fallout will be the permanent damage of many a reputation.

 

[Vic]

Tough choice here, guys. The guy with a single unverified accusation of a shoulder rub from 27 years ago, or the guy who brags about grabbing them by the pussy, pays off pornstars with hush money, and has numerous sexual assault accusations open against him. It's like they're the same! #bothsides

 

[sandorski]

WoW!! You finally get it!! Congratulations!!! Say Hello to your friend Tulsi......

Hello....

 

[interchange]

Let's redo this Post....

Someone recently made the proclamation that they didn't believe Tara based upon some unrelated Work issues she had. I wonder if they apply that as a universal principle or just for Tara?

Biden has had strange interactions, many on video, with women in the Past. Are Tara's allegations really that dissimilar? I mean, they are just a step maybe 2 more than what we have seen and really not much different than what many Men use as "Moves" to seduce a Woman.

So same Standard?

1. There is a lot of evidence which supports her initial claim of sexual harassment.
2. I disagree vehemently that this is a step or two away from sticking your fingers in someone's vagina without consent.
3. Her "unrelated work issue" is an account of fraud. If such an account is credible, it's not unrelated to assessing the credibility of Tara modifying her story from sexual harassment to rape.

For the record, based on what I've seen, I personally think that the sexual harassment claim is more likely true than not and the rape claim is more likely not true than true. I would certainly welcome any sort of official investigation and getting as many accounts on the record as possible. I'm skeptical it will happen, and one of the disturbing things here is Tara's incorporation into her own story the narrative that the media intentionally ignored her, which isn't supported by evidence. Maintaining that narrative conflicts with trying to put her story out there under oath.

 

[Blackjack200]

The truth of the matter is that this issue is not going away and it increasingly is getting worse. Slowly the likes of MSNBC and others are being forced to grapple with it and as they do so the fallout will be the permanent damage of many a reputation.

This could be a shift in the how the Party is perceived. If they do indeed ram his nomination through, I could see a lot of people having their Rose McGowen moment. Even if they end up voting for Biden because of how awful Trump is, maybe they will stop seeing the Democrats as the "good guys". That's one possible silver lining.

 

[fskimospy]

So you admit that finding the Truth is not up to Tara. You just don't want anyone looking through the Records.

No, I’m saying she has made a claim that she was informed that her complaint is held by Biden. Similar to the police giving suspects custody of the complaints against them this strikes me as an unusual situation, one that merits verification.

The good news is that verification should be extraordinarily simple. All Reade has to do is point to who told her this and we can check! It’s very strange that you are so adamantly opposed to such a basic, common sense verification. You still have not explained why you are in favor of weeks or months of extensive research but so strongly opposed to a ten minute phone call. Can you help us understand?

As far as people looking through Biden’s records they shouldn’t without good reason. In case people need to be walked through this the pretty obvious goal is to get Biden to open all his records to the public, at which point they will be Hillary’s Emailsed. Since Joe is presumably not stupid, he will not do this. Similarly, I’m not aware of Bernie Sanders making all his office records public record either because he is also not stupid.

If there is independent corroboration from the prior records holder that this was transferred to Biden or that it is substantially likely it was then I think a confidential investigator should go look for it. Until then if such a simple request of verifying their story is too much it should be ignored.

 

[VRAMdemon]

"Believe all women" is dumb... and not an idea consistent with the American system of jurisprudence of innocent until proven guilty. "Believe women" is a very different message than "believe all women". And the latter was, and still is, absolutely used and it shouldn't be. The knee-jerk “you’re a hypocrite if you don’t react to this like you reacted to Trump/Kavanaugh” and pious virtue-signalling that’s supposed to symbolize a commitment to progressive ideology that doesn’t respect party lines, all betray an abject unwillingness to examine the facts from all sides.

That said, due to the fact laid out, it's entirely consistent to believe Ford and not Reade. Personally, I think it's more likely than not true that Kavanaugh assaulted Ford, and also more likely than not true that Biden did not assault Reade. I wouldn't swear to either one, and I wouldn't convict Kavanaugh in a court of law based on the evidence presented.

Lest I get accused of making that decision in a partisan manner, bullshit. I think it's more likely, than not true that Bill Clinton assaulted one or more women. And nearly certainly true that Trump did .

This is the problem with a social movement that is largely an internet hashtag. No centralization means it can be easily hijacked and co-opted by bad actors. This isn’t helped by #MeToo’s original stance of treating all accusations as legitimate by default. It made it ripe for being weaponized against politicians and the like.

People and news sources who are usually sympathetic to sexual assault victims and believe in giving accusers the platform to be heard have for the most part refrained from supporting Reade due to her credibility issues.