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Kaido

Kaido

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Eye-opening read:

www.vice.com

Delivery Drivers Are Using Grey Market Apps to Make Their Jobs Suck Less

In Indonesia, unofficial apps let delivery drivers filter orders and spoof their GPS location to beat the algorithms at their own game.
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In a nutshell:

1. Gojek = Uber + Uber Eats + Venmo. $10 billion dollar delivery/transport combo app that services 200+ cities in Indonesia, Singapore, Vietnam, and Thailand
2. Tuyul = apps that hack Gojek with stuff like GPS spoofing to let drivers get jobs quicker (500k+ downloads in the Google Play Store) due to the massive gig economy in those locations.
3. An entire underground ecosystem of black-market IT support has emerged, with massive numbers of drivers queuing up for jobs & overtaking local streets.

I will never, ever complain about my job again.

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For something that everyone tries to say is some evil corporations, they sure are getting lots of people signing up...
 
Scarpozzi

Scarpozzi

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MrSquished said:
most people struggling to survive will do anything to do so, sign up for whatever.
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That explains why a small percentage of ATOTers are married. For the rest of you guys, there are still some desperate women out there....mask up and go get em.
 
Torn Mind

Torn Mind

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If someone is a driver for GrubHub or something in the states, it's still a crappy job because your service area can be enormously wide......you have to choose between long trip or rejecting the order....
 
pete6032

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Same thing happening with grocery store delivery apps in the U.S. You only get the offer to work if your phone is pinging from a tower close to the store so people leave their phones in the store and get notifications on another device.
 
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Svnla

Svnla

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To those wonder about the picture in post #1, those were drivers of Go Jek in Indonesia that were upset about "adjustments" made by the company that made those drivers received less pay overall. There were something like that a few months ago in Vietnam, Grab drivers were upset about more work and less pay from Grab. Let me see if I can see I can find the links from friends sent to me a while back.

Uber did not do well in Asia at al. Same as Wal Mart. Both of those companies shut down their expansion plans in Asia recently.

In developing countries, you don't work = you don't eat. There are no government social programs and no stimulus checks for sure.
 
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Svnla

Svnla

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This was from 7/2020.

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New Grab policy cuts drivers’ income, hikes user fees - VnExpress International


These were from 12/2020.

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GrabBike riders strike over increased commission rate - VnExpress International

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Captante

Captante

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Red Squirrel said:
Yeah it's nuts. I don't know what can be done and be ethical, but something does need to be done. Some kind of government incentive to have no or less kids or something. Especially in 3rd world countries where it's common for people to have like 10-20 kids.
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DigDog

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some - grim - thoughts on the subject.

1. we are sadly too smart to wind up in the "life will kill itself". What will happen is a Soylent Green scenario instead, or "the lowest sustainable point of misery for our species".
I don't know you, but *I* want to avoid this. Me myself i'll be dead, but i don't want this for our future generations.

2. there is no higher authority that we can appeal to when it comes to overpopulation.
You can form a "government mandated by the people" and use it to force the population to respect laws - don't kill, don't steal, etc - but no "mandate from people" can be possible that limits people from having kids, because we do not have an underlying instincts that tells us "society is better without overpopulation", the same way that "society is better without murder". Only brutal dictatorships can succeed.

3. growth is exponential, with resources as a limiting factor, but with a "resource consumption factor" decreasing to meet the demand of the shrinking resources. In normal words, the more the growth, the more poor and miserable we will be.

4. biological collapse would probably be a good thing.
Keep in mind that "life" is a vastly more complex concept than "ecosystem". Even a worldwide nuclear winter would not extinguish "life" on earth; unfortunately i don not have the necessary info either at hand or memorized, but there is a number which means "you need X many of this species to breed, any less and interbreeding would kill you through recessive genes, any over and you can repopulate any space". That number is pretty low compared to the current world population.
Let me pull a number out of my ass and say "100k".

As for bees, vegetation, etc going extinct, it simly opens more eco-space for other races to contend in. We may have to eat insects.

5. the social contract in inherently based on better living conditions that what future scenarios can provide.

6. The current world situation is contrary to a creed developed in the .. uh .. 18th century. That more people = more better. But implying that any human could achieve its potential (within practical limiting factors), but essentially you just needed to be alive.
Note that many institutions existing today implicitly benefit from a higher number of people, governments being a first. Pretty much everything that controls "the system" draws more benefits from having two humans instead of one "better than two" human.

AFAIK there are groups that are advocating against overpopulation, but the subject is very much taboo. The primary arguments against it are "who is going to decide (who dies/gets to have kids)" and "having kids is a human right (based on a fundamental survival instinct and therefore impossibly hard to regulate)".

The arguments against overpopulation is that a better future lies in a ideal world where a smaller number of people equates higher individual quality in people; do you see any of this happening around you? I mean, just google "people of walmart".
 
Captante

Captante

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Kaido said:
I tried both sauces & meh. Also, I miss Spicy Nuggets.
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Its McDogburgers ... what did you expect?

I seldom eat any of that garbage anymore ... and when I do I will NEVER get any "special" item (other than my annual McRib/zombie-meat) because it makes no difference HOW popular something is they'll drop it.
 
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