The Iran Plans

[Aimster]

Iran doesn't want a war with the U.S.
If they did then they would launch the first attack tomorrow taking the U.S by surprise.

It will be the U.S who will throw the first punch.

Every M.E nation currently has an active nuclear program. Saudi Arabia is building nuclear tech with the help of Pakistani engineers. Is anyone doing anything? Not at all.
Yep.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran doesn't want a war with the U.S.
If they did then they would launch the first attack tomorrow taking the U.S by surprise.

It will be the U.S who will throw the first punch.

Every M.E nation currently has an active nuclear program. Saudi Arabia is building nuclear tech with the help of Pakistani engineers. Is anyone doing anything? Not at all.
Yep.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I believe they most certainly do want war with the US but want us to make the first move thereby giving them a perceived "moral high ground" and quite possibly a great deal of support from the world community. Russia and China have most likely told Iran they will prevent any effective measures from the UN so long as Iran keeps themselves in check.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran doesn't want a war with the U.S.
If they did then they would launch the first attack tomorrow taking the U.S by surprise.

It will be the U.S who will throw the first punch.

Every M.E nation currently has an active nuclear program. Saudi Arabia is building nuclear tech with the help of Pakistani engineers. Is anyone doing anything? Not at all.
Yep.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I believe they most certainly do want war with the US but want us to make the first move thereby giving them a perceived "moral high ground" and quite possibly a great deal of support from the world community. Russia and China have most likely told Iran they will prevent any effective measures from the UN so long as Iran keeps themselves in check.

How are they wanting a war?
They are not doing anything to start a war.

It is the U.S who has attacked Iran in the past both directly and indirectly.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran doesn't want a war with the U.S.
If they did then they would launch the first attack tomorrow taking the U.S by surprise.

It will be the U.S who will throw the first punch.

Every M.E nation currently has an active nuclear program. Saudi Arabia is building nuclear tech with the help of Pakistani engineers. Is anyone doing anything? Not at all.
Yep.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I believe they most certainly do want war with the US but want us to make the first move thereby giving them a perceived "moral high ground" and quite possibly a great deal of support from the world community. Russia and China have most likely told Iran they will prevent any effective measures from the UN so long as Iran keeps themselves in check.

How are they wanting a war?
They are not doing anything to start a war.

It is the U.S who has attacked Iran in the past both directly and indirectly.

Well, they did essentially tell the entire world to fvck off when the UNSC told them to stop all nuclear research activities... I wouldn't exactly deem that "friendly" behavior.

They've also been indirectly hitting American troops in Iraq... again, not very "friendly."

 

[heyheybooboo]

A rather brave person has suggested giving Iran a nuclear device . . . .

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran doesn't want a war with the U.S.
If they did then they would launch the first attack tomorrow taking the U.S by surprise.

It will be the U.S who will throw the first punch.

Every M.E nation currently has an active nuclear program. Saudi Arabia is building nuclear tech with the help of Pakistani engineers. Is anyone doing anything? Not at all.
Yep.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I believe they most certainly do want war with the US but want us to make the first move thereby giving them a perceived "moral high ground" and quite possibly a great deal of support from the world community. Russia and China have most likely told Iran they will prevent any effective measures from the UN so long as Iran keeps themselves in check.

How are they wanting a war?
They are not doing anything to start a war.

It is the U.S who has attacked Iran in the past both directly and indirectly.

Well, they did essentially tell the entire world to fvck off when the UNSC told them to stop all nuclear research activities... I wouldn't exactly deem that "friendly" behavior.

They've also been indirectly hitting American troops in Iraq... again, not very "friendly."

Iran has a right to enrich uranium.

Taking away their right while everyone else has that right is stupid.

& you can't prove that the Iranian govt. is responsible for anything inside Iraq.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Iran has a right to enrich uranium.

So why then were they ordered to cease enrichment by the UNSC? You may be correct in your assertion that they, as a free nation, have the right but they do so at their own peril and are most definitely doing so to provoke further action.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Iran has a right to enrich uranium.

So why then were they ordered to cease enrichment by the UNSC? You may be correct in your assertion that they, as a free nation, have the right but they do so at their own peril and are most definitely doing so to provoke further action.

The U.S is telling Iran to give up their right to enrich uranium.
Why would Iran do such a thing?

Maybe if the U.S offered to remove sanctions and build power plants inside Iran then Iran would listen. However, the U.S doesn't want to give Iran anything and Iran is just going to tell the U.S to F-off. U.S has a policy which states "ignore Iran and talk to them only when we talk in a threatening manner".

All the other M.E nations which are more of a threat to their neighbors are building nuclear energy. However they are "allies" of the West and we "control" them. We do not control Iran so therefore we do not want to give Iran anything that will make them stronger.

A nuclear Iran will mean the Islamic Regime will stay in power for years and years. The U.S is still stuck in this fantasy world that the regime of Iran will collapse.

Nations with nuclear plants do not have to have nuclear weapons. For instance, it will only take Japan or South Africa a couple months to build a nuclear weapon if they ever felt the need to. Yet, those nations are not part of the "nations with nuclear weapons" list.

 

[ProfJohn]

Debating with Aimster about Iran is like debating Craig about JFK.

No matter how much evidence or proof you have they just ignore it and carry on with what they want to believe.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
There is always the germ of we are the master race in any Country. Hitler rode it into victory and then defeat. And now GWB is riding the same pony that the US knows best
and its flopping in Afghanistan and Iraq. And our meddling in their affairs is what caused 911 in the first place. So we meddle more and get more terrorists???? The question marks are there, not because the contention is false, when in fact its proven, the question marks are there to question the policy of meddling.

This crap about a Jhadist Muslim mantra is just more get them before they get us bullshit. You have to remember WE are trespassing in their backyard and not the other way around.

A lot more mind our own business would be far more effective for world peace.

Kick ass! :thumbsup:

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Debating with Aimster about Iran is like debating Craig about JFK.

No matter how much evidence or proof you have they just ignore it and carry on with what they want to believe.

You provide no evidence or proof.

You just blabber like a typical religious fanatical republican.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran doesn't want a war with the U.S.
If they did then they would launch the first attack tomorrow taking the U.S by surprise.

It will be the U.S who will throw the first punch.

Every M.E nation currently has an active nuclear program. Saudi Arabia is building nuclear tech with the help of Pakistani engineers. Is anyone doing anything? Not at all.
Yep.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I believe they most certainly do want war with the US but want us to make the first move thereby giving them a perceived "moral high ground" and quite possibly a great deal of support from the world community. Russia and China have most likely told Iran they will prevent any effective measures from the UN so long as Iran keeps themselves in check.

How are they wanting a war?
They are not doing anything to start a war.

It is the U.S who has attacked Iran in the past both directly and indirectly.

ummm
Iran hostage crisis
Beirut barracks bombing

Then we have their kidnapping of British sailors in international waters.

But you'll respond that Iran is innocent of all charges...

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran doesn't want a war with the U.S.
If they did then they would launch the first attack tomorrow taking the U.S by surprise.

It will be the U.S who will throw the first punch.

Every M.E nation currently has an active nuclear program. Saudi Arabia is building nuclear tech with the help of Pakistani engineers. Is anyone doing anything? Not at all.
Yep.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I believe they most certainly do want war with the US but want us to make the first move thereby giving them a perceived "moral high ground" and quite possibly a great deal of support from the world community. Russia and China have most likely told Iran they will prevent any effective measures from the UN so long as Iran keeps themselves in check.

How are they wanting a war?
They are not doing anything to start a war.

It is the U.S who has attacked Iran in the past both directly and indirectly.

ummm
Iran hostage crisis
Beirut barracks bombing

Then we have their kidnapping of British sailors in international waters.

But you'll respond that Iran is innocent of all charges...

Iran hostage crisis was not done by the Iranian Regime.

& I am talking about the U.S not Britain. I don't give a rat's ass about Britain.

I never said Iran didn't attack the U.S indirectly. The U.S has done more harm towards Iran than Iran has done to the U.S.

Learn how to read before you blabber. You sure love to make assumptions don't you.

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Lemon law
There is always the germ of we are the master race in any Country. Hitler rode it into victory and then defeat. And now GWB is riding the same pony that the US knows best
and its flopping in Afghanistan and Iraq. And our meddling in their affairs is what caused 911 in the first place. So we meddle more and get more terrorists???? The question marks are there, not because the contention is false, when in fact its proven, the question marks are there to question the policy of meddling.

This crap about a Jhadist Muslim mantra is just more get them before they get us bullshit. You have to remember WE are trespassing in their backyard and not the other way around.

A lot more mind our own business would be far more effective for world peace.

Kick ass! :thumbsup:

ankle deep:thumbsup:

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Debating with Aimster about Iran is like debating Craig about JFK.

No matter how much evidence or proof you have they just ignore it and carry on with what they want to believe.

Well, there's a nice lie for you. Whatever evidence and proof you came up with, it relfected a very limited understanding, and was not ignored but disproven with facts *you* ignored.

Next time you want to answer one of my posts and waste my time, PJ, read your own sig.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Iran has a right to enrich uranium.

So why then were they ordered to cease enrichment by the UNSC? You may be correct in your assertion that they, as a free nation, have the right but they do so at their own peril and are most definitely doing so to provoke further action.

The U.S is telling Iran to give up their right to enrich uranium.
Why would Iran do such a thing?

Maybe if the U.S offered to remove sanctions and build power plants inside Iran then Iran would listen. However, the U.S doesn't want to give Iran anything and Iran is just going to tell the U.S to F-off. U.S has a policy which states "ignore Iran and talk to them only when we talk in a threatening manner".

All the other M.E nations which are more of a threat to their neighbors are building nuclear energy. However they are "allies" of the West and we "control" them. We do not control Iran so therefore we do not want to give Iran anything that will make them stronger.

A nuclear Iran will mean the Islamic Regime will stay in power for years and years. The U.S is still stuck in this fantasy world that the regime of Iran will collapse.

Nations with nuclear plants do not have to have nuclear weapons. For instance, it will only take Japan or South Africa a couple months to build a nuclear weapon if they ever felt the need to. Yet, those nations are not part of the "nations with nuclear weapons" list.

They were offered enriched uranium by a few countries as well as assistance building power plants. They patently refused as they're trying to prove a point that they don't have to cooperate with the global community. This isn't just a US vs Iran issue no matter how much you or they try to make it one. While there are extreme tensions between the two countries, it's not only the US that doesn't want the Iranians enriching uranium. It is a global cause and is slowly isolating Iran from the global community through their refusal to cooperate. I only fear that we'll take action against them due to the hostility between the two nations rather than let the international community continue to put pressure on them.

 

[bigpimpatl]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

They were offered enriched uranium by a few countries as well as assistance building power plants. They patently refused as they're trying to prove a point that they don't have to cooperate with the global community. This isn't just a US vs Iran issue no matter how much you or they try to make it one. While there are extreme tensions between the two countries, it's not only the US that doesn't want the Iranians enriching uranium. It is a global cause and is slowly isolating Iran from the global community through their refusal to cooperate. I only fear that we'll take action against them due to the hostility between the two nations rather than let the international community continue to put pressure on them.

You're right, it's not a US vs Iran issue; it's an Israel vs. Iran issue. Imagine how threatened Israel would "feel" if Iran were to enrich its uranium. Pakistan sold nuclear secrets to the Iranians, why does the US still support musharraf?

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: bigpimpatl

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

They were offered enriched uranium by a few countries as well as assistance building power plants. They patently refused as they're trying to prove a point that they don't have to cooperate with the global community. This isn't just a US vs Iran issue no matter how much you or they try to make it one. While there are extreme tensions between the two countries, it's not only the US that doesn't want the Iranians enriching uranium. It is a global cause and is slowly isolating Iran from the global community through their refusal to cooperate. I only fear that we'll take action against them due to the hostility between the two nations rather than let the international community continue to put pressure on them.

You're right, it's not a US vs Iran issue; it's an Israel vs. Iran issue. Imagine how threatened Israel would "feel" if Iran were to enrich its uranium. Pakistan sold nuclear secrets to the Iranians, why does the US still support musharraf?

Yes, Israel has an issue with it and quite possibly the biggest fear of it. But, this is an international issue, not US v Iran, Isreal v Iran. The EU and Russia are also involved. Here's a link for you since all the coverage seems to have alluded you.

Yes, the US opposes an Iranian enrichment program.

Yes, Israel opposes an Iranian enrichment program.

No, they are NOT alone in their objections.

 

[palehorse]

Aimster> Essentially every member nation of the UN condemns Iran for their continued enrichment program - not just the US. It just so happens that we're the only ones with the means, or courage, to do anything physical about it - and the rest of world, even if they ARE capable, are always quite willing to let us be the "the bad guy."

But know this: Other than Hugo Chavez, half a world away, Iran does not have many overt friends on this issue.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: palehorse74
April 2006? Hersh?

bah... well, as a "plus side," I guess it's nice to see someone around here who isn't stuck in 2003!

I didn't think most of them had made it past 2000 yet....

I love it when you two joke off each other. It's like watching chimps using tools for the first time.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I don't believe there is any way, logistically or politically, that we could go to war with Iran during the remainder of Bush's presidency.

"Cheney appeared on January 14 on Fox News to wave away the polls. Drawing on his experience in three previous trouble-plagued Republican administrations - Nixon's, Gerald Ford's and elder Bush's - he stated categorically, "I've seen embattled administrations, and this isn't one of them." Hence, by virtue of the power vested in him as wise man in residence, there is no reason to pay further attention to an ungrateful public or the Congress it has just elected."