The internet is dead in canada... 25gb cap for everybody

[OCGuy]

Only you could post something so stupid.

Just like everything else in life, pay to play.

I get to keep my house cool in the summer because I can afford $300/mo electricity bills.

My neighbor might not be able to.

So maybe I can afford to download torrents and games all month, and my neighbor cant?


I swear kids these days think unlimited highspeed internet is some sort of right that they should pay $10/mo for if not have it free.

It is a luxury. Plain and simple. If you can't afford it, don't use it.

 

[Howard]

Just like everything else in life, pay to play.

I get to keep my house cool in the summer because I can afford $300/mo electricity bills.

My neighbor might not be able to.

So maybe I can afford to download torrents and games all month, and my neighbor cant?


I swear kids these days think unlimited highspeed internet is some sort of right that they should pay $10/mo for if not have it free.

It is a luxury. Plain and simple. If you can't afford it, don't use it.

You do not decide how much bandwidth costs, and by the looks of it, the Canadian government wants to. But they shouldn't, and they're doing by eliminating the choices we have - for a private service, no less. Why shouldn't I be allowed to buy Internet access from a company that's willing to give me unlimited bandwidth? Because it's wrong? Just like how you think it's wrong to cure people of AIDS and pregnancy and other (mostly) self-inflicted problems?

Oh, I know you.

 

[OCGuy]

You do not decide how much bandwidth costs, and by the looks of it, the Canadian government wants to. But they shouldn't, and they're doing by eliminating the choices we have - for a private service, no less. Why shouldn't I be allowed to buy Internet access from a company that's willing to give me unlimited bandwidth? Because it's wrong? Just like how you think it's wrong to cure people of AIDS and pregnancy and other (mostly) self-inflicted problems?

Oh, I know you.

Whiskey...Tango...Foxtrot...

 

[Howard]

Whiskey...Tango...Foxtrot...

Holier-than-thou assholes like you piss me off.

 

[OCGuy]

Holier-than-thou assholes like you piss me off.

Are you talking about being a realist? Do you really live in a fairy-tale land where you don't have to pay to consume more of the same thing than others?

Tell me what other luxuries do not cost a premium?

Edit: Just to clarify, I dont think the government should be involved in private industry. That is not what I am arguing here. And I think 60GB is low.

 

[coreyb]

Harper voices concern.

http://www.thestar.com/business/art...weets-promise-of-internet-billing-review?bn=1

 

[Howard]

Are you talking about being a realist? Do you really live in a fairy-tale land where you don't have to pay to consume more of the same thing than others?

Tell me what other luxuries do not cost a premium?

Edit: Just to clarify, I dont think the government should be involved in private industry. That is not what I am arguing here. And I think 60GB is low.

Cable TV, I suppose. I pay the same whether I watch 30 minutes a month or 30 minutes an hour. You (can) pay a fixed rate and get as much or as little as you want, which effectively means that the costs incurred by the supplier are negligible.

Wireless Internet I understand is a different beast, but mostly because the infrastructure isn't there yet.

EDIT (to include your edit): I didn't know that, but it's not relevant to my argument. My argument is that what you think about how much a service should cost doesn't actually have any bearing on what it should cost. And yes, 60GB is low, and 25GB is abominable.

 

[OCGuy]

Cable TV, I suppose. I pay the same whether I watch 30 minutes a month or 30 minutes an hour. You (can) pay a fixed rate and get as much or as little as you want, which effectively means that the costs incurred by the supplier are negligible.

Wireless Internet I understand is a different beast, but mostly because the infrastructure isn't there yet.

You have a fixed amount of content with Cable TV. Want more? Fork out the dough for the next highest tier.

 

[coreyb]

OCGuy thinks he is making a point, but the fact remains we are being raped by rogers and bell and that's all there is to it. I just signed up with a local isp 10mbp and unlimited downloads. Why can't rogers or bell offer that anymore? It's not like we have 500 million people in our country.

 

[coreyb]

and we're fine with paying more, but not $2.25 a GB.

 

[sandorski]

Title is wrong. My Cap was 30gb and is now 75gb. Same Internet package.

 

[Locut0s]

Title is wrong. My Cap was 30gb and is now 75gb. Same Internet package.

With shaw and mine is still the same 100GB as before. But they ARE going to start charging $1 per GB you go over that cap. Which sucks because I go over 100 fairly regularly

 

[dighn]

and we're fine with paying more, but not $2.25 a GB.

ditto. UBB is fine, but the pricing is not. maybe this is their plan all along. first make up some utterly laughable prices, and when they come up with a more reasonable pricing scheme, people will forgive them for implementing UBB.

 

[coreyb]

25gb in ontario

 

[Howard]

You have a fixed amount of content with Cable TV. Want more? Fork out the dough for the next highest tier.

I don't agree with your interpretation of it. Internet bandwidth is not like cable TV content. Your analogy would be correct if you were to say that buying more shows on TV is like buying faster Internet, not more Internet. Nowadays, the TV provider pays to broadcast content; the Internet provider pays to lay infrastructure (but not too much).

Let's try to put it another way. If you say that I buy a fixed amount of content with cable TV (I think you want to use different wording, btw), then my understanding is that I'm paying for 24/7/4 TV, which is effectively _unlimited_. How could I possibly use more? Therefore, cable TV is not billed by usage, the same way that Internet access doesn't have to be (and in many places, is not).

 

[Locut0s]

ditto. UBB is fine, but the pricing is not. maybe this is their plan all along. first make up some utterly laughable prices, and when they come up with a more reasonable pricing scheme, people will forgive them for implementing UBB.

Aren't their costs for delivery somewhere around the 1-2 cent per GB range?

 

[coreyb]

what I don't understand is why they are saying we're using so much bandwidth, etc. but we have such a low population in comparison to other countries that don't have caps...something doesn't compute there.

 

[OCGuy]

I don't agree with your interpretation of it. Internet bandwidth is not like cable TV content. Your analogy would be correct if you were to say that buying more shows on TV is like buying faster Internet, not more Internet. Nowadays, the TV provider pays to broadcast content; the Internet provider pays to lay infrastructure (but not too much).

Once you subscribe to TV, there is no "bandwidth" issue. It does not cost the cable company any more if you sit at home and watch TV all day, or if you never turn it on.


Internet bandwidth is an actual hard cost.

 

[IGBT]

most of what goes on in the internet is superfluous. It's like a ball game.

 

[Phokus]

Just like everything else in life, pay to play.

I get to keep my house cool in the summer because I can afford $300/mo electricity bills.

My neighbor might not be able to.

So maybe I can afford to download torrents and games all month, and my neighbor cant?


I swear kids these days think unlimited highspeed internet is some sort of right that they should pay $10/mo for if not have it free.

It is a luxury. Plain and simple. If you can't afford it, don't use it.

I have unlimited 15 mb/s cable in fucking connecticut of all places for only $29 a month. I run SABNZBD + Sickbeard + couchpotato + Bittorent all the time and chew up 500-800 GB of bandwidth a month and I have never heard of a complaint for the cable company. There is no justification for a 25 GB cap.

To the Canadians here in ATOT:

I just want to point out that the people making retarded comments like OCguy/spidey/PatrANUS/etc are all shitheel republicans so it should be no surprise when they side with the cable companies over you canadians.

 

[coreyb]

Once you subscribe to TV, there is no "bandwidth" issue. It does not cost the cable company any more if you sit at home and watch TV all day, or if you never turn it on.


Internet bandwidth is an actual hard cost.

yeah, except it's not $2 a GB. every figure I've seen is that is costs bell/rogers less then 5 cents a GB. so why the huge cost?

 

[Howard]

Once you subscribe to TV, there is no "bandwidth" issue. It does not cost the cable company any more if you sit at home and watch TV all day, or if you never turn it on.


Internet bandwidth is an actual hard cost.

Agree with your first point in the same way that I might agree with your second point...

In principle I agree with your second point, but not the way that you think it's opposite of the first point, therefore I disagree. However, even if you happen to be right, I am completely unconvinced that I must (key word) pay a cost proportional to my usage. Therein lies the crux of my angst.

 

[Howard]

I just want to point out that the people making retarded comments like OCguy/spidey/PatrANUS/etc are all shitheel republicans so it should be no surprise when they side with the cable companies over you canadians.

Nobody asked you, so shut the fuck up.

 

[dighn]

Aren't their costs for delivery somewhere around the 1-2 cent per GB range?

Well it sure as hell isn't $1/GB, even including profit and money for upgrades. Even Shaw's data packs are overpriced. $20 for 60GB = $0.33/GB, but I can upgrade from "High speed" to "High speed extreme" for another $10 which gives 40 GB more and 7.5 mbps of extra speed. That's $0.25/GB minus cost of speed upgrade. Cost obviously isn't a big factor in determining these prices.

 

[coreyb]

let's also bring up the fact rogers and bell already throttle your connection (bittorrent). I had to change ISP's so I could avoid the throttle, now I have to change again to avoid the UBB. recockulous!