The internet is dead in canada... 25gb cap for everybody

[spidey07]

Get Comcast Business Class. It might cost more, but they don't oversell it (ie our 50 mbit is 50 mbit) and they don't give a fuck how much bandwith you use.

Our house does close to 30 gigs per day of legal downloading and we've never ever ever had a complaint or even a call from them.

And that's the heart of the matter. If you use that much then pay for it. There are tons of providers that would bend over backwards to give you internet no matter where you are, as long as you pay for it.

I got a 155 Mbs OC3 in the middle of nowhere, not a problem. But I had to pay for it.

 

[zCypher]

And that's the heart of the matter. If you use that much then pay for it. There are tons of providers that would bend over backwards to give you internet no matter where you are, as long as you pay for it.

I got a 155 Mbs OC3 in the middle of nowhere, not a problem. But I had to pay for it.

woah.. what? Care to elaborate on that?

 

[KMFJD]

woah.. what? Care to elaborate on that?

What? not everyone on ATOT is a millionaire?

 

[Patranus]

What? not everyone on ATOT is a millionaire?

And not everyone on ATOT should expect the same internet as a millionaire.

You get what you can afford.

Just like electricity.
Just like natural gas.
Just like water.
Just like gasoline.
Just like food.
Just like [Insert any other commodity]

 

[yllus]

yllus, does that statement by Clement mean that the "appeal" will delay the implementation of usase-based billing? kinda hard to read between the lines and it's been well over a decade since i studied communications laws in Canada... lol

I'd agree with AnonymouseUser's interpretation except for Mr. Clement has a history of wading into these things - such as when he personally decided to reverse another CRTC decision on Globalive and allowed them to compete in the wireless arena against... Bell, Rogers and Telus.

I have hope, but I'm not overly optimistic. Frankly I just don't see these prices sticking, they're just too ridiculous.

 

[Engineer]

If my internet were to become capped (or 100% pay for use), I expect all advertising to be pulled/blocked as I'm not paying to download ads.

 

[spidey07]

woah.. what? Care to elaborate on that?

I, as a representative of The Company, requested a quote for services from the top 5 providers in the area for my needs. The bottom two didn't have the facilities to accommodate, the top three barely had the must haves. But they wanted the business. I then let the top 3 duke it out on who wanted my money on install charges, facilities/turn-up (laying all the fiber to connect to them with diversity), commit levels and price.

 

[xSauronx]

I, as a representative of The Company, requested a quote for services from the top 5 providers in the area for my needs. The bottom two didn't have the facilities to accommodate, the top three barely had the must haves. But they wanted the business. I then let the top 3 duke it out on who wanted my money on install charges, facilities/turn-up (laying all the fiber to connect to them with diversity), commit levels and price.

wow

how far did the winner have to make a run to give you the service?

 

[Patranus]

If my internet were to become capped (or 100% pay for use), I expect all advertising to be pulled/blocked as I'm not paying to download ads.

Better talk to Google about that one.

 

[Howard]

Is cable unrestricted? I noticed Teksavvy had 200GB as a limit for cable but downgraded their ADSL to 25GB.

Fuck.

EDIT: Double fuck. Doesn't seem like Teksavvy offers cable at my address. Anybody know a cable provider that'll service Markham?

 

[coreyb]

well fuck the UBB. just signed up with another ISP in town that somehow doesn't use bell's equipment! faster speeds too and unlimited.

 

[Sureshot324]

For all you people on Rogers, they have a 'Usage Assurance' option where you can add 20gb of usage onto your plan for an extra 5$ a month (not stackable). It's not advertised on their site and most Rogers employees don't even know about it, but it exists. I read about it on dslreports.com and called Rogers and got bounced between 4 different departments before I actually got someone who knew what I was talking about. If you're already over your cap mid month you can still add it to avoid paying the overage charges.

 

[iCyborg]

Our house does close to 30 gigs per day of legal downloading and we've never ever ever had a complaint or even a call from them.

That's nothing, Chuck Norris went 2GB over his flat rate plan last month.

 

[iCyborg]

For all you people on Rogers, they have a 'Usage Assurance' option where you can add 20gb of usage onto your plan for an extra 5$ a month (not stackable). It's not advertised on their site and most Rogers employees don't even know about it, but it exists. I read about it on dslreports.com and called Rogers and got bounced between 4 different departments before I actually got someone who knew what I was talking about. If you're already over your cap mid month you can still add it to avoid paying the overage charges.

So you need to call them and hope to get the right department?
I'd be interested, I'm on Express with 60GB cap, and with video streaming I've been getting close to the limit, $13 more for the Extreme with 80GB is a bit too much as I don't need more bandwidth (data rate for purists...) that also comes with the package.

 

[Locut0s]

No idea how you guys use that much for legal purposes. Citing a Steam holiday sale would cover 1 month.

I download television torrents. I suppose this is technically illegal still but it's grayer than apps and games. I use 100 gb a month easily. Besides as others have mentioned it seems like a quick cash grab rather than anything else. I've gone way over my soft cap in the past and my isp never so much as sent me an email. If they were hurting for profit they would have emailed me in the past when I exceeded my cap. Charging 100 times or more per gb than it costs for them to deliver it is just nuts.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Per usage pricing will be the norm. Thank the abusers and very small percentage of users for that.

Except for the fact that it wont. You can thank greedy corporations for that. They will still charge exorbitant minimum pricing for their lowest-tier users, rather than giving them a break. Just watch.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Death of internet could be an exaggeration.

The devils advocate can easily see them wanting to meter usage. Having a cap is kind of weak though. It's a way for them to meter usage in a manner where they can still charge casual people the same amount per month, but penalize those who use more bandwidth.

Exactly. This proves Spidey is way wrong.

 

[mrblotto]

I did a 'live chat' w/my ISP a couple days ago (Time Warner). I asked 'how can I find my monthly broadband usage?

His answer: "I would like to inform you that it is not possible to get the information of monthly usage."

wtf?

 

[Number1]

And not everyone on ATOT should expect the same internet as a millionaire.

You get what you can afford.

Just like electricity.
Just like natural gas.
Just like water.
Just like gasoline.
Just like food.
Just like [Insert any other commodity]

The amount of video or data that can be streamed or downloaded by some internet customers under their current price plans is being cut almost 90 per cent following a recent CRTC decision.

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You think that's fair?

 

[Ninjahedge]

I think it is a shame that they had to start doing this,. but in the day when the worst people were streaming were 2CD rips of the latest movie across Torrents, BW was not much of a problem.

Combine that with little to no commercial streaming and HD not being around yet and almost any high speed connection had plenty of BW to give to everyone, even at peak.

Now you get families streaming crap from YouTube, Hulu and Netflix, Torrenting the complete Justin Beeber video music library and the HD version of Fat Momma and (supposedly) downloading a dozen games a month (that each take 40-100 hours of free time to complete ala Fallout 3) and you get a problem.

I do not agree to the rates they will be charging for it, but just like with office sancks, all you need are a couple of douches to start carting home to ruin it for everybody.

The only exception I can see easily passing a 250 limit would be HD streaming every night instead of cable.

And if that is what is happening, and you are taking BW from other customers, why shouldn't you pay more for it?



The ONLY thing that I REALLY object to is simple. BW is worth more at peak hours. they should do, as I said before, like the bridges and cell phone programs. Charge differently with different caps for peak and off peak. Also SHOW THE LIMITS!

Cablevision never told you what the limit was on their "unlimited" service. I had to yell at them on customer service when my BW got throttled with no warning or notification.

If you are paying for something, they should let you know what you are paying for and not hide it enigmatically (with no hard numbers) in the service contract or disclaimers.

Say 50G prime time DL (between 8am and 10pm) and 500G off peak and call it a day already!

 

[Zargon]

of course him and spidey do.

I do most of my torrenting overnight anyways.

I only game during primetime, so I dont really use that much of the important bandwidth

 

[yllus]

The Liberal Party is being opportunistic - but who cares, we could use the help in this instance - and is supporting consumers who are against UBB. Of course, they want us to help them by donating $20 to the Liberal Party, but if this is a cause you feel strongly for, it may be worth it to you.

It’s official. The Liberal Party of Canada today committed to oppose the Canadian Radio and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) decision on usage-based billing (UBB).

You did this. By raising your voices in unprecedented numbers on Twitter, Facebook, and by signing petitions through groups like openmedia.ca, we heard you.

Now, we’re taking a stand with you against a bad policy that hurts consumers, stifles competition and innovation, and makes the Internet less open.

But this is just the beginning. Conservatives are digging in their heels. New Democrats will never get results. Only the Liberal Party can replace the Harper government – and overturn the CRTC’s decision on UBB. But that can only happen if you help us, starting with these 3 simple actions.

—Michael Ignatieff

http://www.liberal.ca/ubb/

 

[sdifox]

I think it is a shame that they had to start doing this,. but in the day when the worst people were streaming were 2CD rips of the latest movie across Torrents, BW was not much of a problem.

Combine that with little to no commercial streaming and HD not being around yet and almost any high speed connection had plenty of BW to give to everyone, even at peak.

Now you get families streaming crap from YouTube, Hulu and Netflix, Torrenting the complete Justin Beeber video music library and the HD version of Fat Momma and (supposedly) downloading a dozen games a month (that each take 40-100 hours of free time to complete ala Fallout 3) and you get a problem.

I do not agree to the rates they will be charging for it, but just like with office sancks, all you need are a couple of douches to start carting home to ruin it for everybody.

The only exception I can see easily passing a 250 limit would be HD streaming every night instead of cable.

And if that is what is happening, and you are taking BW from other customers, why shouldn't you pay more for it?



The ONLY thing that I REALLY object to is simple. BW is worth more at peak hours. they should do, as I said before, like the bridges and cell phone programs. Charge differently with different caps for peak and off peak. Also SHOW THE LIMITS!

Cablevision never told you what the limit was on their "unlimited" service. I had to yell at them on customer service when my BW got throttled with no warning or notification.

If you are paying for something, they should let you know what you are paying for and not hide it enigmatically (with no hard numbers) in the service contract or disclaimers.

Say 50G prime time DL (between 8am and 10pm) and 500G off peak and call it a day already!

I actually don't mind paying for what I use. But you cannot have a (unreasonable) cap, charge a fairly expensive fixed amount then charge extra when you go over. Want to do metered, make it 5 bux a month + usage. And the price better have correlation with cost.

 

[Phokus]

And not everyone on ATOT should expect the same internet as a millionaire.

You get what you can afford.

Just like electricity.
Just like natural gas.
Just like water.
Just like gasoline.
Just like food.
Just like [Insert any other commodity]

Utilities are often regulated by the government because they're natural monopolies. Would the Canadian cable companies agree to only a capped percentage of profits over their cost like many utilities are regulated? Answer: NO.

 

[yllus]

This is rather cringe-worthy: