The Inq Calls the 7900 a 7800GTX 512 Repeate

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin
Ignore the fanboys looking to make this refresh look like a bad launch. They're the lazy ones that don't spend the time backing up their data.

And yeah, the reason there's so much stock of X1900's is because people aren't BUYING them.

45% of the market share? Please submit links reflecting that number, because I personally call horsesh!t.

Yeah I'd say they're selling out rapidly as well. nVidia are excellent with marketing and coupled with forum trolls/nVidiots, there's no beating them. If the roles were reversed and nVidia had the superior IQ X1900XTX and ATi the needle in your eyes AF 7900 GTX, ATi would've been lucky to sell a dozen cards.

Ati's biggest flaw is their lack of marketing/PR. They should recruit some of nvidia's Marketing people.......

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin
Ignore the fanboys looking to make this refresh look like a bad launch. They're the lazy ones that don't spend the time backing up their data.

And yeah, the reason there's so much stock of X1900's is because people aren't BUYING them.

45% of the market share? Please submit links reflecting that number, because I personally call horsesh!t.

Yeah I'd say they're selling out rapidly as well. nVidia are excellent with marketing and coupled with forum trolls/nVidiots, there's no beating them. If the roles were reversed and nVidia had the superior IQ X1900XTX and ATi the needle in your eyes AF 7900 GTX, ATi would've been lucky to sell a dozen cards.

Ati's biggest flaw is their lack of marketing/PR. They should recruit some of nvidia's Marketing people.......

Yep they really lack in marketing. They don't have nearly as good of a developer outreach program (just look at how successful TWIMTBP is) and they certainly don't have anything equivalent to the notorious AEG trolls like Rollo/FalllenAngell (his new nick here).

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin
Ignore the fanboys looking to make this refresh look like a bad launch. They're the lazy ones that don't spend the time backing up their data.

And yeah, the reason there's so much stock of X1900's is because people aren't BUYING them.

45% of the market share? Please submit links reflecting that number, because I personally call horsesh!t.

Yeah I'd say they're selling out rapidly as well. nVidia are excellent with marketing and coupled with forum trolls/nVidiots, there's no beating them. If the roles were reversed and nVidia had the superior IQ X1900XTX and ATi the needle in your eyes AF 7900 GTX, ATi would've been lucky to sell a dozen cards.

Ati's biggest flaw is their lack of marketing/PR. They should recruit some of nvidia's Marketing people.......

Yep they really lack in marketing. They don't have nearly as good of a developer outreach program (just look at how successful TWIMTBP is) and they certainly don't have anything equivalent to the notorious AEG trolls like Rollo/FalllenAngell (his new nick here).

ATI (like AMD) don't really need to pay for lots of marketing, they simply don't need it. The cards sell on their own merits. However ATI do have a marketing tool akin to Rollo, it's you, just as far as we know you don't benefit in any way.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin
Ignore the fanboys looking to make this refresh look like a bad launch. They're the lazy ones that don't spend the time backing up their data.

And yeah, the reason there's so much stock of X1900's is because people aren't BUYING them.

45% of the market share? Please submit links reflecting that number, because I personally call horsesh!t.

Yeah I'd say they're selling out rapidly as well. nVidia are excellent with marketing and coupled with forum trolls/nVidiots, there's no beating them. If the roles were reversed and nVidia had the superior IQ X1900XTX and ATi the needle in your eyes AF 7900 GTX, ATi would've been lucky to sell a dozen cards.

Ati's biggest flaw is their lack of marketing/PR. They should recruit some of nvidia's Marketing people.......

Yep they really lack in marketing. They don't have nearly as good of a developer outreach program (just look at how successful TWIMTBP is) and they certainly don't have anything equivalent to the notorious AEG trolls like Rollo/FalllenAngell (his new nick here).

ATI (like AMD) don't really need to pay for lots of marketing, they simply don't need it. The cards sell on their own merits. However ATI do have a marketing tool akin to Rollo, it's you, just as far as we know you don't benefit in any way.

If I'm an unpaid marketer for ATi, then you and the other 20 nvidiots on this board qualify as unpaid nVidia marketers as well. After all, nobody in their right mind would recommend a crappy PNY card to someone like you did.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin
Ignore the fanboys looking to make this refresh look like a bad launch. They're the lazy ones that don't spend the time backing up their data.

And yeah, the reason there's so much stock of X1900's is because people aren't BUYING them.

45% of the market share? Please submit links reflecting that number, because I personally call horsesh!t.

Yeah I'd say they're selling out rapidly as well. nVidia are excellent with marketing and coupled with forum trolls/nVidiots, there's no beating them. If the roles were reversed and nVidia had the superior IQ X1900XTX and ATi the needle in your eyes AF 7900 GTX, ATi would've been lucky to sell a dozen cards.

Ati's biggest flaw is their lack of marketing/PR. They should recruit some of nvidia's Marketing people.......

Yep they really lack in marketing. They don't have nearly as good of a developer outreach program (just look at how successful TWIMTBP is) and they certainly don't have anything equivalent to the notorious AEG trolls like Rollo/FalllenAngell (his new nick here).

ATI (like AMD) don't really need to pay for lots of marketing, they simply don't need it. The cards sell on their own merits. However ATI do have a marketing tool akin to Rollo, it's you, just as far as we know you don't benefit in any way.

If I'm an unpaid marketer for ATi, then you and the other 20 nvidiots on this board qualify as unpaid nVidia marketers as well.

I don't market anything though, if I see something as better i'll point them in that direction, be it ATI or nVIdia. You can do better than that joker, pick up your game a bit, you're slacking. Kinda funny how you claim i'm a nVidia marketer yet I still manage to recommend people wait on the X1800GTO to see what it has to offer.

 

[vaccarjm]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: vaccarjm

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin
Ignore the fanboys looking to make this refresh look like a bad launch. They're the lazy ones that don't spend the time backing up their data.

And yeah, the reason there's so much stock of X1900's is because people aren't BUYING them.

45% of the market share? Please submit links reflecting that number, because I personally call horsesh!t.

Yeah I'd say they're selling out rapidly as well. nVidia are excellent with marketing and coupled with forum trolls/nVidiots, there's no beating them. If the roles were reversed and nVidia had the X1900XTX and ATi the 7900 GTX, ATi would've been lucky to sell a dozen cards.

Do you even work for ATI? At least get some commission from them?

Do you work for nVidia? At least get some commission from them?

Funny you ask that.....no i dont. In fact my card is a x1900xtx. I just dont go out preaching the x1900xtx like some religion.

 

[professor1942]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Ati's biggest flaw is their lack of marketing/PR. They should recruit some of nvidia's Marketing people.......

No, ATi's biggest flaws are: ridiculous prices and annoying crappy software.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: Ronin
Ignore the fanboys looking to make this refresh look like a bad launch. They're the lazy ones that don't spend the time backing up their data.

And yeah, the reason there's so much stock of X1900's is because people aren't BUYING them.

45% of the market share? Please submit links reflecting that number, because I personally call horsesh!t.

That 45% dose not include Integrated graphics so Intel has small share.
When incuding Integrated graphics ATI is second only to intel with 26.8 % of market
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/28/graphics_chip_market_q2_05/

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin
Ignore the fanboys looking to make this refresh look like a bad launch. They're the lazy ones that don't spend the time backing up their data.

And yeah, the reason there's so much stock of X1900's is because people aren't BUYING them.

45% of the market share? Please submit links reflecting that number, because I personally call horsesh!t.

Yeah I'd say they're selling out rapidly as well. nVidia are excellent with marketing and coupled with forum trolls/nVidiots, there's no beating them. If the roles were reversed and nVidia had the superior IQ X1900XTX and ATi the needle in your eyes AF 7900 GTX, ATi would've been lucky to sell a dozen cards.

Ati's biggest flaw is their lack of marketing/PR. They should recruit some of nvidia's Marketing people.......

Yep they really lack in marketing. They don't have nearly as good of a developer outreach program (just look at how successful TWIMTBP is) and they certainly don't have anything equivalent to the notorious AEG trolls like Rollo/FalllenAngell (his new nick here).

ATI (like AMD) don't really need to pay for lots of marketing, they simply don't need it. The cards sell on their own merits. However ATI do have a marketing tool akin to Rollo, it's you, just as far as we know you don't benefit in any way.

If I'm an unpaid marketer for ATi, then you and the other 20 nvidiots on this board qualify as unpaid nVidia marketers as well.

I don't market anything though, if I see something as better i'll point them in that direction, be it ATI or nVIdia. You can do better than that joker, pick up your game a bit, you're slacking. Kinda funny how you claim i'm a nVidia marketer yet I still manage to recommend people wait on the X1800GTO to see what it has to offer.

Rollo aka FalllenAngell recommends ATi cards once in a long while as well, it doesn't mean he's not a hardcore nVidia marketer. I've recommended 7800 GTX cards in the past so I guess going by your standards, I'm a neutral guy too. And like I said before, only a hardcore nVidiot would recommend a crappy PNY card to someone like you did in that other thread.

 

[rstrohkirch]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
The steam survey is not that useful imo.

Well, since it is not good in your eyes then you must have seen better.
Can you please post them for us??

It only considers users who have installed Vavle's software on their computers.

100k's of people have taken the survey....your linked survey that you will be posting(since it's better) has how many?

Also, I might have bought HL2 1 year ago and since then upgraded and never played the game again.

March 3rd 2006 was the recent surve results people are refering to

 

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
The steam survey is not that useful imo. It only considers users who have installed Vavle's software on their computers. Also, I might have bought HL2 1 year ago and since then upgraded and never played the game again.

There is really not much reason to get 7900GT non-overclocked $299 vs. X1800XT 256mb for $299. And X1900XT for $440 is a better value than 7900GTX. So just because Nvidia cards sold out doesn't mean they are better purchase decisions and that no one buys ATI.

At the launch day, the GTX had the same price as the X1900 (at least where I leave). Now it is 10% more and not available.

I was "lucky" to get it for "just" 10% more. The X1900 is a good card and has amazing performance, but it is also noisier - that's a deal breaker for me.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: Ronin
Ignore the fanboys looking to make this refresh look like a bad launch. They're the lazy ones that don't spend the time backing up their data.

And yeah, the reason there's so much stock of X1900's is because people aren't BUYING them.

45% of the market share? Please submit links reflecting that number, because I personally call horsesh!t.

That 45% dose not include Integrated graphics so Intel has small share.
When incuding Integrated graphics ATI is second only to intel with 26.8 % of market
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/28/graphics_chip_market_q2_05/

Pssst....find me an updated Fiscal 05 results list, please. That's almost 9 months old. Dated information.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin
Ignore the fanboys looking to make this refresh look like a bad launch. They're the lazy ones that don't spend the time backing up their data.

And yeah, the reason there's so much stock of X1900's is because people aren't BUYING them.

45% of the market share? Please submit links reflecting that number, because I personally call horsesh!t.

Yeah I'd say they're selling out rapidly as well. nVidia are excellent with marketing and coupled with forum trolls/nVidiots, there's no beating them. If the roles were reversed and nVidia had the superior IQ X1900XTX and ATi the needle in your eyes AF 7900 GTX, ATi would've been lucky to sell a dozen cards.

Right, Joker. You keep justifying your purchase to yourself.

You bag on people like what Rollo did, but you're simply abrasive, and beyond the scope of rational discussion.

Your beloved ATi still has issues. Deal with it.

Once you actually realize that both companies do certain things well (I'm not referring to marketing), you *might* qualify as a reliable source of objectivity. Until then, you're a mouthy prick who is blatantly biased so far that any hope of reasonable conjecture from you would be wasted.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
SLI which i think is pertty stupid :! spend your cash on something eles i say instead of another card.

I challenge you to spend any amount of money on another component that will increase your performance in many games by 70%+ and near 100% in some games. Seriously, give it a shot.

How about spending it on the monitor that will actually allow you to get that 70-100% (which is BS for most all games at all but one or two extreme resolutions)

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin
Ignore the fanboys looking to make this refresh look like a bad launch. They're the lazy ones that don't spend the time backing up their data.

And yeah, the reason there's so much stock of X1900's is because people aren't BUYING them.

45% of the market share? Please submit links reflecting that number, because I personally call horsesh!t.

Yeah I'd say they're selling out rapidly as well. nVidia are excellent with marketing and coupled with forum trolls/nVidiots, there's no beating them. If the roles were reversed and nVidia had the superior IQ X1900XTX and ATi the needle in your eyes AF 7900 GTX, ATi would've been lucky to sell a dozen cards.

Right, Joker. You keep justifying your purchase to yourself.

You bag on people like what Rollo did, but you're simply abrasive, and beyond the scope of rational discussion.

Your beloved ATi still has issues. Deal with it.

Once you actually realize that both companies do certain things well (I'm not referring to marketing), you *might* qualify as a reliable source of objectivity. Until then, you're a mouthy prick who is blatantly biased so far that any hope of reasonable conjecture from you would be wasted.

This coming from a guy that falsified CCC memory results in order to make ATi look bad, moderates nVidia's nZone forums and rides Sony's jockstrap as a test monkey to get free nVidia cards. Yeah Ronin, you're one to be talking about neutrality. If I'm a fan of ATi cards that's all I am, a fan (who actually buys his cards), not someone that like you that depends on video card handouts from nVidia/Sony.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
SLI which i think is pertty stupid :! spend your cash on something eles i say instead of another card.

I challenge you to spend any amount of money on another component that will increase your performance in many games by 70%+ and near 100% in some games. Seriously, give it a shot.

How about spending it on the monitor that will actually allow you to get that 70-100% (which is BS for most all games at all but one or two extreme resolutions)

I agree wholeheartedly about the monitor. Way too many people look to dual-gpu solutions and ignore what resolution they play at. As for what resolutions are considered "extreme" to you, I don't know. But here is FEAR at 1280x960, which is hardly extreme, yet shows a 77% increase from 7900GTX to SLI, 86% for the 7800GTX512 to SLI, and 95% for the 7800GTX256 to SLI. Well, just flip through Anandtech's benchmarks to see that even at 1280x1024, SLI gives a big boost.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This coming from a guy that falsified CCC memory results in order to make ATi look bad, moderates nVidia's nZone forums and rides Sony's jockstrap as a test monkey to get free nVidia cards. Yeah Ronin, you're one to be talking about neutrality. If I'm a fan of ATi cards that's all I am, a fan, not someone that like you who depends on video card welfare.

Get off your abrasive high horse, bud. My results were accurate (and validated by other people, I might add). Yeah, I moderate the nZone forums, but bfd, really. And as far as my employer is concerned (which you STILL haven't figured out, regardless of what you *think* you know), I get the same treatment from ATi as I do nVIDIA (which hasn't gotten through your thick skull, hence a perfect example of you seeing what you WANT to see).

Like I said. No leg to stand on, and the way you present yourself certainly doesn't win any points. Grow up, Joker. You're a joke, and everyone knows it.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This coming from a guy that falsified CCC memory results in order to make ATi look bad, moderates nVidia's nZone forums and rides Sony's jockstrap as a test monkey to get free nVidia cards. Yeah Ronin, you're one to be talking about neutrality. If I'm a fan of ATi cards that's all I am, a fan, not someone that like you who depends on video card welfare.

Get off your abrasive high horse, bud. My results were accurate (and validated by other people, I might add). Yeah, I moderate the nZone forums, but bfd, really. And as far as my employer is concerned (which you STILL haven't figured out, regardless of what you *think* you know), I get the same treatment from ATi as I do nVIDIA (which hasn't gotten through your thick skull, hence a perfect example of you seeing what you WANT to see).

Like I said. No leg to stand on, and the way you present yourself certainly doesn't win any points. Grow up, Joker. You're a joke, and everyone knows it.

Your results weren't validated by anyone you tool. They were proven to be b.s. in that thread, should I dig it up and make you look like the liar you are again? I already know who your employer is and how you get your cards. You don't get any "treatment" from ATi, your employer Sony gets cards to test their games. It just happens that you're one of the test monkeys at work that gets to use them.


Edit: Ronin's CCC FUD:

His screenshot: http://server.counter-strike.net/images/misc/atimemusage2.png
Actual CCC usage: http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/2241/cccopen8vn.jpg

Conclusion: Ronin took a quick shot of CCC during its split second memory load to falsely claim it uses that much memory all the time when CCC is open. My SS proves Ronin is a liar - as expected.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This coming from a guy that falsified CCC memory results in order to make ATi look bad, moderates nVidia's nZone forums and rides Sony's jockstrap as a test monkey to get free nVidia cards. Yeah Ronin, you're one to be talking about neutrality. If I'm a fan of ATi cards that's all I am, a fan, not someone that like you who depends on video card welfare.

Get off your abrasive high horse, bud. My results were accurate (and validated by other people, I might add). Yeah, I moderate the nZone forums, but bfd, really. And as far as my employer is concerned (which you STILL haven't figured out, regardless of what you *think* you know), I get the same treatment from ATi as I do nVIDIA (which hasn't gotten through your thick skull, hence a perfect example of you seeing what you WANT to see).

Like I said. No leg to stand on, and the way you present yourself certainly doesn't win any points. Grow up, Joker. You're a joke, and everyone knows it.

Your results weren't validated by anyone you tool. They were proven to be b.s. in that thread, should I dig it up and make you look like the liar you are again? I already know who your employer is and how you get your cards. You don't get any "treatment" from ATi, your employer Sony gets cards to test their games. It just happens that you're one of the test monkeys at work that gets to use them.


Edit: Ronin's CCC FUD:

His screenshot: http://server.counter-strike.net/images/misc/atimemusage2.png
Actual CCC usage: http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/2241/cccopen8vn.jpg

Conclusion: Ronin took a quick shot of CCC during its split second memory load to falsely claim it uses that much memory all the time when CCC is open. My SS proves Ronin is a liar - as expected.

Pwnt.

 

[aggressor]

Just so it's not Joker vs Ronin as always:
http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ccc6pa.png

Note: I did notice CLI.exe would vary from 1,500KB to 7,000KB while idle. I saw it jump up and down multiple times.

 

[CapaJC]

I ordered my BFG 7900 GT CO from Monarch on Friday morning (California time), and it just arrived at my door. 2 business days. Not bad, considering the webpage estimated 2-3 days processing in the warehouse, and FedEx estimated it'd get here Wednesday.

I am happy.

--James in S.D.

 

[vaccarjm]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This coming from a guy that falsified CCC memory results in order to make ATi look bad, moderates nVidia's nZone forums and rides Sony's jockstrap as a test monkey to get free nVidia cards. Yeah Ronin, you're one to be talking about neutrality. If I'm a fan of ATi cards that's all I am, a fan, not someone that like you who depends on video card welfare.

Get off your abrasive high horse, bud. My results were accurate (and validated by other people, I might add). Yeah, I moderate the nZone forums, but bfd, really. And as far as my employer is concerned (which you STILL haven't figured out, regardless of what you *think* you know), I get the same treatment from ATi as I do nVIDIA (which hasn't gotten through your thick skull, hence a perfect example of you seeing what you WANT to see).

Like I said. No leg to stand on, and the way you present yourself certainly doesn't win any points. Grow up, Joker. You're a joke, and everyone knows it.

Your results weren't validated by anyone you tool. They were proven to be b.s. in that thread, should I dig it up and make you look like the liar you are again? I already know who your employer is and how you get your cards. You don't get any "treatment" from ATi, your employer Sony gets cards to test their games. It just happens that you're one of the test monkeys at work that gets to use them.


Edit: Ronin's CCC FUD:

His screenshot: http://server.counter-strike.net/images/misc/atimemusage2.png
Actual CCC usage: http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/2241/cccopen8vn.jpg

Conclusion: Ronin took a quick shot of CCC during its split second memory load to falsely claim it uses that much memory all the time when CCC is open. My SS proves Ronin is a liar - as expected.

How old are you?

 

[TraumaRN]

In response to Joker and Ronin, first you are both being ridiculous.

Second Joker this is directed towards you. I think the point Ronin is trying to make is that CCC no matter what is leaving a memory footprint alot larger than an nVidia control panel.

Here is my PC with the control panel 'shut off'
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/DeathBUA/idle.JPG

Here is my PC with my control panel 'open'
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/DeathBUA/controlpanel.JPG

Notice that massive difference in mem useage....yea.....not to sound like a fanboy but that would probably be why some people DONT want CCC.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
In response to Joker and Ronin, first you are both being ridiculous.

Second Joker this is directed towards you. I think the point Ronin is trying to make is that CCC no matter what is leaving a memory footprint alot larger than an nVidia control panel.

Here is my PC with the control panel 'shut off'
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/DeathBUA/idle.JPG

Here is my PC with my control panel 'open'
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/DeathBUA/controlpanel.JPG

Notice that massive difference in mem useage....yea.....not to sound like a fanboy but that would probably be why some people DONT want CCC.

No you're missing the point. He tried to falsely claim CCC used a certain (massive) amount of memory when it infact didn't. I caught him lying about it when I posted a shot with the actual memory usage. Aggressor's screenshot also shows this.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: vaccarjm

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This coming from a guy that falsified CCC memory results in order to make ATi look bad, moderates nVidia's nZone forums and rides Sony's jockstrap as a test monkey to get free nVidia cards. Yeah Ronin, you're one to be talking about neutrality. If I'm a fan of ATi cards that's all I am, a fan, not someone that like you who depends on video card welfare.

Get off your abrasive high horse, bud. My results were accurate (and validated by other people, I might add). Yeah, I moderate the nZone forums, but bfd, really. And as far as my employer is concerned (which you STILL haven't figured out, regardless of what you *think* you know), I get the same treatment from ATi as I do nVIDIA (which hasn't gotten through your thick skull, hence a perfect example of you seeing what you WANT to see).

Like I said. No leg to stand on, and the way you present yourself certainly doesn't win any points. Grow up, Joker. You're a joke, and everyone knows it.

Your results weren't validated by anyone you tool. They were proven to be b.s. in that thread, should I dig it up and make you look like the liar you are again? I already know who your employer is and how you get your cards. You don't get any "treatment" from ATi, your employer Sony gets cards to test their games. It just happens that you're one of the test monkeys at work that gets to use them.


Edit: Ronin's CCC FUD:

His screenshot: http://server.counter-strike.net/images/misc/atimemusage2.png
Actual CCC usage: http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/2241/cccopen8vn.jpg

Conclusion: Ronin took a quick shot of CCC during its split second memory load to falsely claim it uses that much memory all the time when CCC is open. My SS proves Ronin is a liar - as expected.

How old are you?

Old enough and likely smarter than you.