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The imminent train wreck...

zsdersw

zsdersw

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... between the GOP, the Tea Partiers, and the immense popularity of entitlements.

Cuts to Medicare or Social Security will result in huge wins for Democrats, as senior citizens can always be counted on to vote in record numbers.

How are us fiscal conservatives going to win this battle before it's too late?

Yes, there isn't a news story in the OP of this thread, but that's too bad. It's politics, so it should be open to discussion here
 
zsdersw said:
... between the GOP, the Tea Partiers, and the immense popularity of entitlements.

Cuts to Medicare or Social Security will result in huge wins for Democrats, as senior citizens can always be counted on to vote in record numbers.

How are us fiscal conservatives going to win this battle before it's too late?

Yes, there isn't a news story in the OP of this thread, but that's too bad. It's politics, so it should be open to discussion here
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Social. Wedge. Issues.

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...or, at least thats what the current "conservative" branded party will try and do. I still have conservative tendencies, and I don't want to be associated with the GOP/Tea party.
 
Fiscal Conservatives? Has there been one in the last 30 years? Clinton was the closest there's been to one.
 
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Social. Wedge. Issues.

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While doing nothing to curb entitlement spending? That's not going to work, so no.. the thread is not done.

...or, at least thats what the current "conservative" branded party will try and do. I still have conservative tendencies, and I don't want to be associated with the GOP/Tea party.
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Yes, of course... more of the same. "The politics of failure have succeeded."
 
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sandorski said:
Fiscal Conservatives? Has there been one in the last 30 years? Clinton was the closest there's been to one.
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Many have tried to get elected, but all have succumbed to the almighty power of Medicare, Social Security, farm subsidies, and the "unlimited checkbook" of the Pentagon.
 
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zsdersw said:
While doing nothing to curb entitlement spending? That's not going to work, so no.. the thread is not done.



Yes, of course... more of the same. "The politics of failure have succeeded."
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I know. I was being facetious. It will be a train wreck, thats for sure. I do think that they will try and obfuscate the issue though. They have more to gain by keeping entitlements and publically denouncing them then actually doing anything about them. So, they sidestep the issue altogether with other "issues".
 
MovingTarget said:
I know. I was being facetious. It will be a train wreck, thats for sure. I do think that they will try and obfuscate the issue though. They have more to gain by keeping entitlements and publically denouncing them then actually doing anything about them. So, they sidestep the issue altogether with other "issues".
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That's true... every politician needs a nemesis; a raison d'être.
 
Republicans don't have to do anything. There's not money to pay for all 3 big entitlements (Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security) in the long term and costs are rising fastest on the first two. Trying to save all three will just cause the gangrene to spread and threaten the whole government. I bet that Democrats will actually be the ones to take the first move of deciding which they want to save and will jettison (or greatly scale back) the rest via means-testing or some other approach. With the amount of doctors now refusing medicaid patients altogether, I'd not be surprised if that was the one that got the ax.
 
glenn1 said:
Republicans don't have to do anything. There's not money to pay for all 3 big entitlements (Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security) in the long term and costs are rising fastest on the first two. Trying to save all three will just cause the gangrene to spread and threaten the whole government. I bet that Democrats will actually be the ones to take the first move of deciding which they want to save and will jettison (or greatly scale back) the rest via means-testing or some other approach. With the amount of doctors now refusing medicaid patients altogether, I'd not be surprised if that was the one that got the ax.
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Well, I've never associated Republicans with fiscal conservatism, so that doesn't really answer the question I posed. 🙂
 
News Flash; The Tea party is simply the GOP's base wingdings, renamed.

Any semblance of an independent, grass movement was co-opted waaaay long ago.
 
feralkid said:
News Flash; The Tea party is simply the GOP's base wingdings, renamed.

Any semblance of an independent, grass movement was co-opted waaaay long ago.
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News Flash... we already knew that. Doesn't mean there won't be a train wreck as I described, though.
 
zsdersw said:
News Flash... we already knew that. Doesn't mean there won't be a train wreck as I described, though.
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Your OP seemed to imply they were somehow separate.

edit: who is this 'we' you speak of? Multiple accounts/personalities are frowned upon in the forums
 
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It will be a train wreak, and that's the solution. When we emerge from that disaster, this will be a great nation again.
 
zsdersw said:
... between the GOP, the Tea Partiers, and the immense popularity of entitlements.

Cuts to Medicare or Social Security will result in huge wins for Democrats, as senior citizens can always be counted on to vote in record numbers.

How are us fiscal conservatives going to win this battle before it's too late?

Yes, there isn't a news story in the OP of this thread, but that's too bad. It's politics, so it should be open to discussion here
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No one is cutting Medicare or Social Security, no matter how many hundreds of trillions we have to go into debt, no politician will every make any serious attempt at cutting them. We will just keep borrowing more money, when no one will loan us any more we will tax everything that can’t muster a good lobby, when that is not enough we will just print enough money to pay this months SS checks, but it will onyl be this one month everything will be good next month, then next month comes and we print some more. Eventually we collapse under the weight of it all, but even while collapsing our politicians will be telling us that everything is okay, that all we have to do is give a hundred trillion dollars to a hand picked group of CEO’s and we will be able to afford to pay everyone again.
If that does not work they will blame us for not buying enough high end goods.
This last statement they will probably make from somewhere in asia, far away from the riots.
 
Meh

The "imminent train wreck" is actually when it sinks in to a majority of citizens that the problem of funding these programs without cuts in payouts has no viable solution.

Sitting here debating how the political parties will transform the "debate" into a win for their own side, instead of a win for America, is just sad. This country is too damn pathetic.
 
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zsdersw said:
... between the GOP, the Tea Partiers, and the immense popularity of entitlements.

Cuts to Medicare or Social Security will result in huge wins for Democrats, as senior citizens can always be counted on to vote in record numbers.

How are us fiscal conservatives going to win this battle before it's too late?

Yes, there isn't a news story in the OP of this thread, but that's too bad. It's politics, so it should be open to discussion here
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These cuts will cause social unrest and then riots will be the voting method of choice.
 
zsdersw said:
How are us fiscal conservatives going to win this battle before it's too late?
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Yeah, it doesn't seem like fiscal conservatives can win. I think we'll see 1930s style government intervention in the economy before people give up their benefits. The only possible chance is that enough boomers are wealthy enough to take care of themselves that you can cut benefits for the remaining benefits and hope people won't notice but it seems highly unlikely that's going to happen.
 
zsdersw said:
How are us fiscal conservatives going to win this battle before it's too late?
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How about...you "Fiscal Conservatives" need to get your heads out of your asses and start acknowledging and addressing our nation's real economic problems. Address the problem of too little tax revenue and too much need for government expenditures--too much unemployment and too many low wage jobs.

That would require you guys to consider raising taxes on the Rich and, most importantly, to address the problem of Global Labor Arbitrage. Why don't you wise "Fiscal Conservatives" figure out a way to end foreign outsourcing, end the H-1B and L-1 visa programs, deport all of the illegals, and end mass immigration. (We know how to do all of this, the problem is one of will and desire, not ability.)

Of course, you guys won't do that because it contradicts your religious-like faith in free market ideals. Also, it would go against the interests of the Wealthy who want low-paid slave labor.
 
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