The Immigration Factor

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: sandorski
:roll:
Where were the 9/11 Terrorists operating from again?

Ohhhh I know this one. Hamburg, Germany? :shocked:

What point were you trying to make? Every country in the world underestimated the islamofascists before 9/11. Sadly, even after 9/11, Canada and many europeon countries still pretend the threat doesn't exist.

Strange, you link to a country that has made many arrests in regard to Al Queda terrorist cells and attempt to pass it off as them not doing enough against terrorism at the same time..

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: dmens
Ohhhh I know this one. Hamburg, Germany? :shocked:

What point were you trying to make? Every country in the world underestimated the islamofascists before 9/11. Sadly, even after 9/11, Canada and many europeon countries still pretend the threat doesn't exist.

Strange, you link to a country that has made many arrests in regard to Al Queda terrorist cells and attempt to pass it off as them not doing enough against terrorism at the same time..

No country in the world is doing enough to stop the Islamofascists, America included. But at least we acknowledge the threat exists.

Many european countries still promote de facto racial segregation (sweep the immigrant problems under the rug), which promotes Islamofascist brainwashing. They refuse to use aggressive profiling techniques to pinpoint terrorists. To top it off, the EU's continued arabist policies only serve to embolden the jihadis. Heck, they still refuse to classify Hamas as a terrorist organization.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: dmens
Ohhhh I know this one. Hamburg, Germany? :shocked:

What point were you trying to make? Every country in the world underestimated the islamofascists before 9/11. Sadly, even after 9/11, Canada and many europeon countries still pretend the threat doesn't exist.

Strange, you link to a country that has made many arrests in regard to Al Queda terrorist cells and attempt to pass it off as them not doing enough against terrorism at the same time..

No country in the world is doing enough to stop the Islamofascists, America included. But at least we acknowledge the threat exists.

Many european countries still promote de facto racial segregation (sweep the immigrant problems under the rug), which promotes Islamofascist brainwashing. They refuse to use aggressive profiling techniques to pinpoint terrorists. To top it off, the EU's continued arabist policies only serve to embolden the jihadis. Heck, they still refuse to classify Hamas as a terrorist organization.

That's your opinion. Mine is that too many Western nations have gone too far, undermining the very basic principles upon which they are based upon. To go further is to risk the very foundation of civilization.

At anyrate, we are straying off topic.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: sandorski
That's your opinion. Mine is that too many Western nations have gone too far, undermining the very basic principles upon which they are based upon. To go further is to risk the very foundation of civilization.

At anyrate, we are straying off topic.

Is Hamburg in America? Nah...

OK fine, back to the Canada sucks topic.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: sandorski
That's your opinion. Mine is that too many Western nations have gone too far, undermining the very basic principles upon which they are based upon. To go further is to risk the very foundation of civilization.

At anyrate, we are straying off topic.

Is Hamburg in America? Nah...

OK fine, back to the Canada sucks topic.

What does Hamburg and America have anything to do witjh it?

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: sandorski
What does Hamburg and America have anything to do witjh it?

You asked where the 9/11 terrorists were operating from, thinking America. You were wrong.

I'm not going off-topic any more.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: sandorski
What does Hamburg and America have anything to do witjh it?

You asked where the 9/11 terrorists were operating from, thinking America. You were wrong.

I'm not going off-topic any more.

They were in America for years, not Hamburg.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: dmens
"Why do you continue to feed a disastrous healthcare system?" "It's non-American."
"What's up with the absurd taxes?" "It's non-American."
"Why did you gut your armed forces?" "It's non-American."
"Why do you willingly let a bunch of arrogant frogs hold you hostage?" "It's non-American."
"Why the hell did you suck up to the Soviets during the Cold War?" "It's non-American."
"Why are you letting muslims set up their own sharia courts in Ontario?" "It's non-American."

When your entire national identity is defined by opposition to your next-door neighbor, that is an inferiority complex.

Except that American-ness has nothing to do with the reasons for any of those things, with the *possible* exception of healthcare. For the most part, we consider that our health care system, which most of us generally speaking support, part of our national identity. Therefore if you ask a Canadian what the difference is between Canadians and Americans, it is unsurprising that health care would be a popular response.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: dmens
No country in the world is doing enough to stop the Islamofascists, America included. But at least we acknowledge the threat exists.

Many european countries still promote de facto racial segregation (sweep the immigrant problems under the rug), which promotes Islamofascist brainwashing. They refuse to use aggressive profiling techniques to pinpoint terrorists. To top it off, the EU's continued arabist policies only serve to embolden the jihadis. Heck, they still refuse to classify Hamas as a terrorist organization.

Pinpoint is kind of a lofty word for what these techniques have accomplished.

'Slightly more accurate carpet bomb' would be a better characterization.

 

[classy]

When me and my wife visited Canada about 5years ago I was surprised. The people are totally different, very polite and you could tell they just view people as people. Even when I visited the Hockey Hall, thats why we went to Toronto while visiting Niagra Falls, no one looked at me strange or anything. It was quite pleasant.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: classy
When me and my wife visited Canada about 5years ago I was surprised. The people are totally different, very polite and you could tell they just view people as people. Even when I visited the Hockey Hall, thats why we went to Toronto while visiting Niagra Falls, no one looked at me strange or anything. It was quite pleasant.

All the ones that were polite were terrorist cells trying to blend in

Good to hear you had an enjoyable trip...it's quite a nice place to visit....(in the summer)

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Hear, hear, well said, my fellow Canadians...

I like to think Canada is today the way the world should look like in 100 years (tolerant, secular etc.), if we're lucky as a civilisation...

it would be fine except for the dumb sh*t like allowing the creation of sharia courts.... come on

 

[frankie38]

I love Canada. I love the beer. I love the hockey. I love the snow I even like the French anadians.

Whats not to like about Canada?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: dmens
"Why do you continue to feed a disastrous healthcare system?" "It's non-American."
"What's up with the absurd taxes?" "It's non-American."
"Why did you gut your armed forces?" "It's non-American."
"Why do you willingly let a bunch of arrogant frogs hold you hostage?" "It's non-American."
"Why the hell did you suck up to the Soviets during the Cold War?" "It's non-American."
"Why are you letting muslims set up their own sharia courts in Ontario?" "It's non-American."

When your entire national identity is defined by opposition to your next-door neighbor, that is an inferiority complex.

I've been saying that this type of thinking is dangerous to Canada. The government throws out all sorts of propaganda and the public eats it up, not knowing that they are being cheated. Their health care system is the perfect example - a system set up for the social elites (they get priority healthcare), putting the burden on everyone else AND they have to pay for the elites getting petty healthcare while people in serious conditions are dying. Yet the people support it because they've been brainwashed.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Except that American-ness has nothing to do with the reasons for any of those things, with the *possible* exception of healthcare. For the most part, we consider that our health care system, which most of us generally speaking support, part of our national identity. Therefore if you ask a Canadian what the difference is between Canadians and Americans, it is unsurprising that health care would be a popular response.

The point is that Canadians have used "un-Americaness" as an excuse for all sorts of crap.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Pinpoint is kind of a lofty word for what these techniques have accomplished.

'Slightly more accurate carpet bomb' would be a better characterization.

A good example of "aggressive profiling techniques" would be the type of filtering used by the Israeli airport security. They look for the terrorist, not weapons.

As of now, the US still refuses to use profiling in airports, thanks to the ACLU.

 

[Stunt]

I don't think canadians rebel against americans...any distinguishing characteristic of canadians is due to a difference in values.
Just like norway and sweden are more social because they are more compassionate towards the poor and value equality. Canada blends the two mindsets...not because we rebel the american way, or rebel the scandinavian way but because these are principles that canadians as a whole support.
Do you honestly think canadians decided to make "absurd taxes" to rebel american values?...give me a break buddy.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Pinpoint is kind of a lofty word for what these techniques have accomplished.

'Slightly more accurate carpet bomb' would be a better characterization.

A good example of "aggressive profiling techniques" would be the type of filtering used by the Israeli airport security. They look for the terrorist, not weapons.

As of now, the US still refuses to use profiling in airports, thanks to the ACLU.

What does a terrorist look like.
I could go bomb a US landmark right now...and i don't look like a terrorist...so they wouldnt even stop me. I bet i could go buy the stuff to make a bomb no questions asked in the US.

Look at Tim McVeigh, he was the last terrorist pre 9-11 on continental US. All profiling accomplishes is prejudice.

I couldnt care less if i had to get checked out if my iranian friend was doing the same.
But having different procedure based on race is just disgusting.

I never thought i'd say this...but...gj ACLU

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Pinpoint is kind of a lofty word for what these techniques have accomplished.

'Slightly more accurate carpet bomb' would be a better characterization.

A good example of "aggressive profiling techniques" would be the type of filtering used by the Israeli airport security. They look for the terrorist, not weapons.

As of now, the US still refuses to use profiling in airports, thanks to the ACLU.

What does a terrorist look like.
I could go bomb a US landmark right now...and i don't look like a terrorist...so they wouldnt even stop me. I bet i could go buy the stuff to make a bomb no questions asked in the US.

Look at Tim McVeigh, he was the last terrorist pre 9-11 on continental US. All profiling accomplishes is prejudice.

I couldnt care less if i had to get checked out if my iranian friend was doing the same.
But having different procedure based on race is just disgusting.

I never thought i'd say this...but...gj ACLU

Who are the Islamic terrorists? They look very similar to the 9/11 hijackers, I believe thats the point he was trying to make.

Violent acts of terrorism are commited mostly by Islamic radicals today. That is a fact. Why is El-Al so successful and even though it is the most targeted airline by terrorists, it still has a awesome safety record. It uses aggressive profiling.

By profiling, you put your priorities towards checking a person between the ages of 18 to 35 and NOT some 85 year old grandmother. If that were to happen, I would completely support it. Today, they will strip search a 85 year old grandmother before a 25 year old guy simply because it's politically correct.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: Stunt
What does a terrorist look like.
I could go bomb a US landmark right now...and i don't look like a terrorist...so they wouldnt even stop me. I bet i could go buy the stuff to make a bomb no questions asked in the US.

Look at Tim McVeigh, he was the last terrorist pre 9-11 on continental US. All profiling accomplishes is prejudice.

I couldnt care less if i had to get checked out if my iranian friend was doing the same.
But having different procedure based on race is just disgusting.

I never thought i'd say this...but...gj ACLU

How absurd. Of course anyone could commit a terrorist attack. If I decided to go blow up a federal building right now, I'd be pretty much unstoppable because I don't fit any kind of profile.

In fact, the most dangerous terrorists are the ones that don't fit the profile, which is why the Islamofascists spend a lot of resources brainwashing and recruiting western muslims.

But people need a motive to commit crimes. Since the FBI does not have unlimited resources, they must play the most favorable odds and create the profile of a typical person with a reason to go kill Americans. Then they use those factors to exercise increased vigilence on certain groups. Such techniques will significantly improve the statistical chance of stopping terrorist attacks. The police have been using similar anti-crime techniques for decades, with proven results.

Besides, the FBI used the exact same techniques to literally beat the KKK and the Mafia into the ground. I guess you people are OK with profiling, as long as the profile says the likely suspect is a white male.