The Hussein execution is so on schedule ***UPdated He's dead***

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Moab
This is the best news I have heard in a while.

Voted twice for Bush and would gladly allow him for a third term.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Moab

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Moab
This is the best news I have heard in a while.

Voted twice for Bush and would gladly allow him for a third term.

Best president of my lifetime and he's one of the few people out there doing the right thing. Lets just hope he puts a few more of these middle eastern nutjobs in the ground.

Good work, sir. We applaud you. Plenty of us out here still support you, don't let the "polls" and "figures" from the liberal media and left wing cities throw you. Everywhere I go I see Bush supporters and others who love what your doing. Keep killing them and we'll keep supporting you.

Wow. I hope my sarcasm meter is broken.

No sir, if I could get out my voting records I would but since that option does not exist you'll just have to go by my word.

I'd rather not vote than vote for a democrat. The left is the enemy of this country and I will not be a part of putting them in power. Bush and his gentlemen in office are doing the right thing and the right time and I will support him until the end.

Except for the immigration issue, but no one seems to think land mines on the border is a good idea.

Amazing. Even the new Secretary of Defense admits the plan is bad and the US isn't winning the war yet you blindly support the guy who put the plan in action. It's a good thing you only get one vote.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Moab
This is the best news I have heard in a while.

Voted twice for Bush and would gladly allow him for a third term.

Best president of my lifetime and he's one of the few people out there doing the right thing. Lets just hope he puts a few more of these middle eastern nutjobs in the ground.

Good work, sir. We applaud you. Plenty of us out here still support you, don't let the "polls" and "figures" from the liberal media and left wing cities throw you. Everywhere I go I see Bush supporters and others who love what your doing. Keep killing them and we'll keep supporting you.

No seriously, you're kidding, right?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does it feel odd that so many people in this thread were never ever once affected by Saddam but are gleeful that he was hanged?

Imagine how Iraqis whose families were killed by mr bush feel about him and you?

They were not killed by Mr. Bush. If they were killed it was because they in some way attacked our soldiers or the Iraqi police.

I'm not so naieve to say that there are no innocent casualties, but you know full well, despite how much you dislike Bush, that Bush didn't send troops over there with the sole purpose of mowing down innocent lives.

Well GWB may not be up to a million yet---but due to his perhaps well meaning brainfart in Iraq--roughly 655,000 Iraqis have died by violence---and the string is over for Saddam--GWB may just be warming up---if Iraq goes civil war and spills over into neighboring countries--the tally may well be in the 10's of millions.

Never thought I would say it---but no doubt about it--in the 21'st century---GWB is number 1.

So I guess FDR was pretty close to the top since he was in office during WWII. What kind of baseless accusation is this?? As I said earlier, GWB's purpose is NOT to mow down innocents and you know that. There lies the difference between GWB and the evil dictators you continuously mention.
Stalin, Hitler, Saddam, Mussolini, Mao....Every single one of them, if given the choice to kill 10,000 instead of 1,000 would have gladly taken it.
Bush, and any US president that I can remember as well as many world leaders today....Given that choice, they would never EVER have chosen the 10,000.

I personally believe Bush has done what ever single other president has only talked about.

Everyone in here is educated enough to figure out these basic things:
A. Saddam was not a good man
B. Osama was not a good man
C. Terrorists are not good men
D. Iraqi's were indeed living under Saddam who was not a good man

Therefore, we all agree that something had to be done somehow. It just seems to me that most people (Including a fair amount of conservatives) believe Bush went about it in the absolute wrong way, which is fair enough. To each his own....but to say that Bush went to the middle east with the sole purpose of comitting genocide, and should be labled evil is insane.

Just because you don't believe anywhere near the same things, yet you still have the same common goal, does not make that person evil.

-Kevin

 

[tranceport]

Why are all of the video's censored so that I cannot see the actual death...


This pisses me off....

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: LunarRay
We invade a sovereign nation in violation of US and International law by using the lie [WMD/Delivery Systems and the 45 days within which Iraq intended to launch those WMD at the US or its interests] and then topple the existing government stucture and install another and capture the President of Iraq, jail him, insure he gets a trial and is executed and we rejoice at it all... Seems really kinda sad that we go to such measures to inforce our will upon the people of the world... It is like we've programmed Gort and he is us...

Saddam was you hero? right?

Do you understand the rule of law in the US and Internationally denies the US the right to violate the UN Charter? It has nothing to do with how I feel about Saddam personally but rather, how I feel personally about the means to the end...

Additionally: The trial was a farce from any aspect based on the opinion of experts on International law. I understand it was held in Iraq under Iraqi law, however, but for the illegal act of the invasion that event would not have occurred.

So and therefore, I submit that the violation of one man's rights that we scream to uphold is as bad as the many who have lost their rights for what ever reason... numbers are not important.. His guilt or innocence is not important because there is a much greater guilt and that guilt is having the holder of the 'Big Stick', in my name (and yours), use it to violate the rule of law that makes the stick a viable defense against those who'd seek to deny me (and you) my way of life...

Edit: Iraq was a sovereign nation before we over threw the government... Meaning the Iraqi were living their lives or dying as the case may be under their conditions... Human Rights Violations pointed to.... and how many are we complicit in destroying to further our objecives..? How on earth can we condem Saddam and not ourselves... how can we point to one event and not all of them.... how can we ever not point at ourselves when we point at Saddam... How many innocents died directly from our actions? Who screams for their rights... ? Well..... I do, damit... I do..

Well said. :thumbsup:

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Moab
This is the best news I have heard in a while.

Voted twice for Bush and would gladly allow him for a third term.

Best president of my lifetime and he's one of the few people out there doing the right thing. Lets just hope he puts a few more of these middle eastern nutjobs in the ground.

Good work, sir. We applaud you. Plenty of us out here still support you, don't let the "polls" and "figures" from the liberal media and left wing cities throw you. Everywhere I go I see Bush supporters and others who love what your doing. Keep killing them and we'll keep supporting you.

I didn't know five year olds could vote

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: boomerang
With Hussein now dead, Dubya has fulfilled his Daddy's legacy. His biggest regret having not taken care of Hussein while in office.

I've always felt this was the REAL reason we're in Iraq, along with some oil issues and lining the pockets of some friends of the Bush family. Haliburton, et al. Plus the noble ambition of forcing democracy down the throats of other nations.

I disagree. There are many reasons why Bush Sr. did not go into Baghdad. For one, unlike his PNAC friends, he knew it would be a mistake. And two, regime change was just not a goal of the war.

They had a concrete and attainable exit strategy, and once their goals were concluded, they left. Unlike Bush Jr., Bush Sr. wasn't a puppet of PNAC.

 

[theeedude]

Bush made his daddy look like a genious for not going to Iraq. It shut up all the critics who were bashing Bush Sr for "not finishing the job"

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: tranceport
Why are all of the video's censored so that I cannot see the actual death...

This pisses me off....

Because they switched out with a stunt double.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: daveymark
Text

no mony shot, but you get the basic gist.

Sickening barbarism at work sponsored by the US. If this war was actually based on human rights then the US would be busy cleaning up a lot of messes throughout the world but we all know it's not about the Kurds (who still don't have their own state yet) or Shiites.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Bush made his daddy look like a genious for not going to Iraq. It shut up all the critics who were bashing Bush Sr for "not finishing the job"

That is pretty much the way I see it. They say the branches don't fall far from the trees, but I don't know WTF happened here. Like him or not, Bush Sr. was an intelligent man, a WWII hero, and once head of the CIA. Bush Jr. on the other hand has failed at practically everthing he's ever done.

Really, the only similarity I see is the fact that both are horrid speakers, Jr. being the worst. Of course, Sr.'s speaking skills were no match for Clinton, which obviously cost him his second term.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: daveymark
Text

no mony shot, but you get the basic gist.

Sickening barbarism at work sponsored by the US. If this war was actually based on human rights then the US would be busy cleaning up a lot of messes throughout the world but we all know it's not about the Kurds (who still don't have their own state yet) or Shiites.

Oh please.

Show me the DNA proving it was him hung.

We need to bring back hanging in the U.S.

Also firing squad and Guillotine.

Electrocution and injection have proven to be poor ways to kill a human body.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: daveymark
Text

no mony shot, but you get the basic gist.

Sickening barbarism at work sponsored by the US. If this war was actually based on human rights then the US would be busy cleaning up a lot of messes throughout the world but we all know it's not about the Kurds (who still don't have their own state yet) or Shiites.

Oh please.

Show me the DNA proving it was him hung.

We need to bring back hanging in the U.S.

Also firing squad and Guillotine.

Electrocution and injection have proven to be poor ways to kill a human body.

Are you going to remove your tinfoil hat when they show his body or are you going to grasp at even more straws and say they surgically altered his stunt double--who the hell would want to willingly be hanged anyway?

 

[Harvey]

Breaking news -- Fourteen hours after his execution, Saddam Hussein is still dead.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Iraq was a sovereign nation before we over threw the government... Meaning the Iraqi were living their lives or dying as the case may be under their conditions... Human Rights Violations pointed to.... and how many are we complicit in destroying to further our objecives..? How on earth can we condem Saddam and not ourselves... how can we point to one event and not all of them.... how can we ever not point at ourselves when we point at Saddam... How many innocents died directly from our actions? Who screams for their rights... ? Well..... I do, damit... I do..

No no, lets go over this:
Sovereign -
1. a monarch; a king, queen, or other supreme ruler.
2. a person who has sovereign power or authority.
3. a group or body of persons or a state having sovereign authority.
4. a gold coin of the United Kingdom, equal to one pound sterling: went out of circulation after 1914.

Kind of vague since they use the term in the definition but it serves its purpose. Iraq was not sovereign. There were a few names on the Iraqi ballot; however the other people running against Saddam as well as the people who voted against him somehow disappeared. After that, Saddam miraculously pulled out a nearly UNANIMOUS vote. That was not a sovereign state, that was a rule by terror.

How else could one "President" get so many votes. After he left there was a whole HELL of a lot more than 1% of Iraqi's that were pleased to see him go.

How many innocents died directly from our actions?

I believe that directly contradicts your previous argument. Our objective was not to kill innocent civilians, that was not why we were sent over there; therefore they were killed indirectly or by others actions (such as insurgent attacks).

-Kevin

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: daveymark
Text

no mony shot, but you get the basic gist.

Sickening barbarism at work sponsored by the US. If this war was actually based on human rights then the US would be busy cleaning up a lot of messes throughout the world but we all know it's not about the Kurds (who still don't have their own state yet) or Shiites.

Oh please.

Show me the DNA proving it was him hung.

We need to bring back hanging in the U.S.

Also firing squad and Guillotine.

Electrocution and injection have proven to be poor ways to kill a human body.

Are you going to remove your tinfoil hat when they show his body or are you going to grasp at even more straws and say they surgically altered his stunt double--

who the hell would want to willingly be hanged anyway?

Who said the guy in the video was willing? Looked pretty drugged up to me.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: daveymark
Text

no mony shot, but you get the basic gist.

Sickening barbarism at work sponsored by the US. If this war was actually based on human rights then the US would be busy cleaning up a lot of messes throughout the world but we all know it's not about the Kurds (who still don't have their own state yet) or Shiites.

Oh please.

Show me the DNA proving it was him hung.

We need to bring back hanging in the U.S.

Also firing squad and Guillotine.

Electrocution and injection have proven to be poor ways to kill a human body.

Are you going to remove your tinfoil hat when they show his body or are you going to grasp at even more straws and say they surgically altered his stunt double--

who the hell would want to willingly be hanged anyway?

Who said the guy in the video was willing? Looked pretty drugged up to me.

I think you're just messing with me.

 

[envy me]

It looks like Saddam has been assasinated.

Lets not forget one thing though... During the whole illegal occupation of Iraq, he was telling the truth the whole time about WMD's; Bush was the one lying. Both men are guilty of war crimes, both men are responsible for the deaths of thousands... Saddam was just punished, because he lost the war.

It seems most Americans are celebrating his assasination as well. God bless America... The only country in the free world that still executes it's prisoners.

So much joy and celebration because of his death... Even if you argue that his death was justified, is it justified to celebrate his death? Does that make you any better than him???

The video of Saddam being carried out to the gallows by masked men is somewhat remeniscent of the videos of the captured journalists being held before their deaths.

Are we that much better, that much more civilized, and that much more "democratic" then they were???

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: daveymark
Text

no mony shot, but you get the basic gist.

Sickening barbarism at work sponsored by the US. If this war was actually based on human rights then the US would be busy cleaning up a lot of messes throughout the world but we all know it's not about the Kurds (who still don't have their own state yet) or Shiites.

Oh please.

Show me the DNA proving it was him hung.

We need to bring back hanging in the U.S.

Also firing squad and Guillotine.

Electrocution and injection have proven to be poor ways to kill a human body.

And you wonder why they won't let you be president.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: daveymark
Text

no mony shot, but you get the basic gist.

Sickening barbarism at work sponsored by the US. If this war was actually based on human rights then the US would be busy cleaning up a lot of messes throughout the world but we all know it's not about the Kurds (who still don't have their own state yet) or Shiites.

Oh please.

Show me the DNA proving it was him hung.

We need to bring back hanging in the U.S.

Also firing squad and Guillotine.

Electrocution and injection have proven to be poor ways to kill a human body.

And you wonder why they won't let you be president.

There are huge differences between Revenge and Justice.
Only one option was in play there.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: daveymark
Text

no mony shot, but you get the basic gist.

Sickening barbarism at work sponsored by the US. If this war was actually based on human rights then the US would be busy cleaning up a lot of messes throughout the world but we all know it's not about the Kurds (who still don't have their own state yet) or Shiites.

Oh please.

Show me the DNA proving it was him hung.

We need to bring back hanging in the U.S.

Also firing squad and Guillotine.

Electrocution and injection have proven to be poor ways to kill a human body.

And you wonder why they won't let you be president.

Oh really, we had Presidents during the times we still had hangings and crime rates were low.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Iraq was a sovereign nation before we over threw the government... Meaning the Iraqi were living their lives or dying as the case may be under their conditions... Human Rights Violations pointed to.... and how many are we complicit in destroying to further our objecives..? How on earth can we condem Saddam and not ourselves... how can we point to one event and not all of them.... how can we ever not point at ourselves when we point at Saddam... How many innocents died directly from our actions? Who screams for their rights... ? Well..... I do, damit... I do..

No no, lets go over this:
Sovereign -
1. a monarch; a king, queen, or other supreme ruler.
2. a person who has sovereign power or authority.
3. a group or body of persons or a state having sovereign authority.
4. a gold coin of the United Kingdom, equal to one pound sterling: went out of circulation after 1914.

Kind of vague since they use the term in the definition but it serves its purpose. Iraq was not sovereign. There were a few names on the Iraqi ballot; however the other people running against Saddam as well as the people who voted against him somehow disappeared. After that, Saddam miraculously pulled out a nearly UNANIMOUS vote. That was not a sovereign state, that was a rule by terror.

How else could one "President" get so many votes. After he left there was a whole HELL of a lot more than 1% of Iraqi's that were pleased to see him go.

How many innocents died directly from our actions?

I believe that directly contradicts your previous argument. Our objective was not to kill innocent civilians, that was not why we were sent over there; therefore they were killed indirectly or by others actions (such as insurgent attacks).

-Kevin

I would suggest that you have eliminated the Political notion of sovereignty...
"Sovereignty is the exclusive right to exercise supreme political (e.g. legislative, judicial, and/or executive) authority over a geographic region, group of people, or oneself." But, I suppose it can be inferred from one or more of the four you listed.
The UN's Resolutions regarding Iraq as well as Bush's WPA submission to Congress all explicit in their recognition of the Sovereignty of Iraq leaves no doubt as to the status of Iraq...
It may seem trivial that folks use that term.. sovereign... but it does have status attached... It defines borders and etc.. For instance... I'd not argue that Iraqi invasion into Kuwait was legal and justified because it was part of some British scheme to carve out a piece of Iraq (their 19th something or another, I think it was) and unlike India/Pakistan and Mountbatten's wisdom there Kuwait had other agenda attached... but Kuwait was determined to be sovereign with all the rights that attach..


Hehehehehe MOAB.... I had in mind that wonderful device but there are so many others.. We proudly proclaim that among the target dead the collateral dead... (innocents) was surprisingly low.. Seems we expected lots of innocent dead.. but yet it is ok..
When I say directly I mean at our hands.... indirectly... I mean at the hands of Saddam but with our full support. Do you recall 1980 when Iran was the bad guy over the hostage issue and Iraq was our buddy... did you ever see the pictures of the chemical weapons found in Iraq during the first Gulf war... US markings ... we gave Iraq those munitions...
Saddam was no idiot... he knew we sat with Stalin at Yalta and supported him because it is the nature of people to fully support those who are our enemy's enemy... so he wanted to rule like Stalin... and he did...

The tangential issue but perhaps a cause ... the motivator to war... has to do with feeling good ... strutting about with arms flapping... when we use our power to devistate an enemy... we justify everything by what ever means we can... Craig said "...wrap up in the flag..." and it is true... I read the comments on this forum over use of the MOAB in civilian areas... amazing how folks can get 'feel good' over that.... but they do...

Rule of Law... a simple notion that... Assuming God to be God... he has his Rule of Law too.... and I'd argue that all law is under that law... but here in reality based living people create law with in their sovereign borders and amonst them all law is created to preserve those borders... and the freedoms that exist, if any, with in them determined by the residents thereof. Tis why Civil War is what it is... Russia's, The US, French etc.. folks don't like what is going on... they band together and change it or die... But it is best for Civil Wars to be kept Civil... hehehheeh within the borders...

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: daveymark
Text

no mony shot, but you get the basic gist.

Sickening barbarism at work sponsored by the US. If this war was actually based on human rights then the US would be busy cleaning up a lot of messes throughout the world but we all know it's not about the Kurds (who still don't have their own state yet) or Shiites.

Oh please.

Show me the DNA proving it was him hung.

We need to bring back hanging in the U.S.

Also firing squad and Guillotine.

Electrocution and injection have proven to be poor ways to kill a human body.

And you wonder why they won't let you be president.

Oh really, we had Presidents during the times we still had hangings and crime rates were low.

China has a low crime rate, and I wouldn't want to live there.

 

[tomywishbone]

"It looks like Saddam has been assasinated.

Lets not forget one thing though... During the whole illegal occupation of Iraq, he was telling the truth the whole time about WMD's; Bush was the one lying. Both men are guilty of war crimes, both men are responsible for the deaths of thousands... Saddam was just punished, because he lost the war."


The truth.