The hunt for illegals is on.

[Jhhnn]

Fine. Change the law. Obama had more power in Washington in his first term than Trump has now. Why didn't he pass a law protecting Dreamers?

We can't change the past but we can change the law now because it's the right thing to do.

How hard is that?

 

[MongGrel]

Just because my views are not liberal? Your posts sound like a guy who can't debate on the facts so instead he resorts to personal insults. I got news for you: I'm not intimidated. Try a different tact, like maybe discussing the issues

I have a new tactic for you, post something that makes sense to begin with.

You can not debate anything with someone that posts BS almost on stop to begin with, and I'm not interested in the usual "you touched me" games some people try to promote in P&N these days.

It's pretty pathetic really.

 

[Sea Ray]

We can't change the past but we can change the law now because it's the right thing to do.

How hard is that?

I agree immigration reform is needed and I hope it happens before the midterms. Until that happens, we're stuck with the laws we have. BTW, Dems can't complain about laws not getting passed if they're continuing to hold up Trump's appointees.

 

[MongGrel]

Using words like "fsck", I'd say you sound like someone with a very limited vocabulary

Perhaps you should look at the signature, might clarify it a bit

 

[Sea Ray]

I have a new tactic for you, post something that makes sense to begin with.

You can not debate anything with someone that posts BS almost on stop to begin with, and I'm not interested in the usual "you touched me" games some people try to promote in P&N these days.

It's pretty pathetic really.

I'm still waiting for you to debate some issues. All you're interested in doing is slamming me personally. I could blow you away in that game but honestly, I'm just not interested. I've got better things to do. If you want to discuss the issues and not talk about 10 yr olds and use masked profanity, I'll respond. Otherwise, go bark at the moon.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm still waiting for you to debate some issues. All you're interested in doing is slamming me personally. I could blow you away in that game but honestly, I'm just not interested. I've got better things to do. If you want to discuss the issues and not talk about 10 yr olds and use masked profanity, I'll respond. Otherwise, go bark at the moon.

You're never getting in the clubhouse anyway at this rate, but you have never stated anything worth debating to begin with.

Whatever dude, rant away.

 

[alien42]

I agree immigration reform is needed and I hope it happens before the midterms. Until that happens, we're stuck with the laws we have. BTW, Dems can't complain about laws not getting passed if they're continuing to hold up Trump's appointees.

keep blaming Democrats for Trump's own problems - http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-filling-staff-positions-2017-2

 

[Jhhnn]

I agree immigration reform is needed and I hope it happens before the midterms. Until that happens, we're stuck with the laws we have. BTW, Dems can't complain about laws not getting passed if they're continuing to hold up Trump's appointees.

Appointees don't pass laws. Congress passes laws. Repubs rejected comprehensive reform. Obama attempted to create reform via EO which Repubs successfully sued to rescind. Obama demanded that immigration authoritarians restrain themselves. Trump lets them off the leash.

If you think cheering Trump on will promote the kind of change you claim to want then you're delusional.

Attempted Duh-version duly noted in any case.

 

[Sea Ray]

Appointees don't pass laws. Congress passes laws. Repubs rejected comprehensive reform. Obama attempted to create reform via EO which Repubs successfully sued to rescind. Obama demanded that immigration authoritarians restrain themselves. Trump lets them off the leash.

If you think cheering Trump on will promote the kind of change you claim to want then you're delusional.

Attempted Duh-version duly noted in any case.

Obama's EO was unconstitutional but he needn't go that route if his heavily Dem Congress had passed imm reform early on in his Presidency.

As for now, Congress will have a hard time passing any legislation as long as they're bogged down confirming appointees

 

[Jhhnn]

Obama's EO was unconstitutional but he needn't go that route if his heavily Dem Congress had passed imm reform early on in his Presidency.

As for now, Congress will have a hard time passing any legislation as long as they're bogged down confirming appointees

That's already been addressed. If Dems didn't get the timing right that doesn't excuse the moral failings of the Repubs. They stopped comprehensive reform & they'll keep on doing so because it keeps the ravers frothed up & nicely irrational, ready to vote for more trickledown. It also retains an underclass of workers who basically have no rights in the workplace, perfect for their purposes.

 

[Svnla]

The law, when written, did not anticipate the current situation. It doesn't match reality, nor does it express the Will of the American People but rather the will of a small & vindictive ultra authoritarian minority who don't care about common decency when it comes to America's children. You demonstrate that lack of character entirely. On this particular subject you're a raving asshole whose POV must be denounced if we're to advance domestic peace & prosperity by showing our fellow citizens the respect & compassion we should all expect from each other.

Small minority you said?

Fifty-seven percent (57%) say the federal government is not aggressive enough in deporting those who are in this country illegally. Only 11% say the government is too aggressive,


Thirty-one percent (31%) think illegal immigrants who have American-born children should be exempt from deportation. Fifty percent (50%) disagree, while 19% are not sure

Most voters continue to favor stricter border control over granting legal status to those already here illegally and believe amnesty will just encourage more illegal immigration

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...e_2016/voters_favor_more_deportation_not_less

Speaking of law, the 14A was written so ILLEGALS could sneak in and pop out a few kids so they could claim citizenship? Yes or No?

You have ZERO answers to my questions above even after I requested multiple times, you accused me of "hate" but have ZERO evidence to support your statement and you have the nerve to claim "lack of character"? Are you fucking for real?

Yeah, keep on ranting about nonsense such as "respect", "compassion". Diverse, spin, spin...full speed ahead..watch out for the main topic of discussion..throw accusations, insults...avoidance at all cost. Common decency you said?

Raving asshole, eh? See the mirror? Take a closer look, asshole.

Since you have no reply to my questions above, look like who is the true asshole, eh?

Be a man, speak up out loud, provide facts and logic to back up your statements. Don't be a pathetic coward with full of excuses. Denounce that, assshole.

I guess it is too much to ask. And liberals are supposed to be the smart ones (or so they claimed)?

Another thing, how sad and pathetic that ILLEGALS supporters never ever mention stories like this one - https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-3-teen-girls-kidnapped-salvadoran-gang-houston-195556145.html

 

[catilley1092]

I personally don't believe there's going to be concentration camps.....even the OP stated that may have been going too far.

What will likely happen is enforcing existing laws on the books.......which should had been done over 40 years back. It was the failed 'drug war' that got this started, the spraying of crops just inside of the border & similar type actions, that started this issue, along with no plan to secure the border before acting. Then the following POTUS's in Ford/Carter didn't stop the war, nor did secure the border. So America has reaped the seeds planted, just as with other crises.

Examples are, when former POTUS Bush II (or Jr) started a war with Iraq over lies, who were actually doing a great job at killing terrorists whom were caught within their border & now the area is total chaos. Fast forward another decade, Obama did the same in Libya, where the citizens had it made, a free university education from oil profits, we helped a few rebels dethrone their leader & now there's still no clear leader in the area.

My point being, not just this illegal immigration deal, also many other issues we face (the ISIS mess) were in large part, created by our own government, using (or wasting) our precious tax dollars.

Finally, what I don't understand, is that many US corporations (even Dell) has an assembly plant in Mexico, there's lots of jobs. Why are they still coming here? The first President Bush pushed for NAFTA, which Clinton subsequently signed, which created a trade pact between Canada, Mexico & the US. We don't see Canadians flocking en masse across the border, many more jobs went to Mexico than Canada (far many more). So what I fail to understand is why do these folks with opportunities keep leaving their own country on a daily basis in flocks? This is exactly what the pact was supposed to assist with.

As far as illegals here now, I agree with the many who stated to punish their employers with severe fines and imprisonment with hard labor if refuse to pay, and use the local police (with training provided by the Feds) to round up these who doesn't belong here in block by block, 3AM busts. There's a houseful just down the street from me, and they're rarely seen, so they probably maintain a low profile for that reason.

Finally, citizens should be rewarded (per head) to provide information in regards to the whereabouts of illegals, this would greatly assist the authorities in rounding these suspects up. Most all of us knows our own neighborhood, I'd hope one knows their immediate neighbors.

Any with criminal records of any type should be placed to the front of the deport train, with a priority on illegals who are here & pregnant, and have yet to bear the child, these must be the #1 priority to capture & get back home ASAP & a much larger reward paid for information, as this would save our government tens of thousands of dollars in welfare benefits, if not over $100,000 each.

We've got to stop the bleeding, inaction is acceptance of breaking the law, and these illegals are breaking the law, be it civil or criminal, a 2nd offense would be considered criminal. If this is going to be accepted, may as well not have laws on the books & a total open society, a 'free for all' type of country, where everything is legal. That's not going to happen, so let's at least go ahead & do that the past 6 US Presidents didn't have the guts to do (prior to Obama, as he was enforcing). Some of the current raids were planned months before Trump was sworn into office, so Obama did have the courage to make a stand. Trump is getting all of the blame (at this time) for what he didn't do nor plan.

Cat

 

[Sea Ray]

That's already been addressed. If Dems didn't get the timing right that doesn't excuse the moral failings of the Repubs. They stopped comprehensive reform & they'll keep on doing so because it keeps the ravers frothed up & nicely irrational, ready to vote for more trickledown. It also retains an underclass of workers who basically have no rights in the workplace, perfect for their purposes.

Republicans are waiting to secure the border first. If we have immigration reform before securing the border, it is pointless

 

[Jhhnn]

Republicans are waiting to secure the border first. If we have immigration reform before securing the border, it is pointless

Securing the border today won't change he fact that 2/3 of all illegals have been here more than 10 years or that about half aren't Mexican but rather from all over the world.

You're just dodging.

 

[Sea Ray]

Securing the border today won't change he fact that 2/3 of all illegals have been here more than 10 years or that about half aren't Mexican but rather from all over the world.

You're just dodging.

When Reagan gave amnesty it led to a huge influx of more illegals seeking the same deal. This was because the border wasn't secure. We don't want to repeat that mistake. Let's learn from history. No dodging here.

 

[pcgeek11]

When Reagan gave amnesty it led to a huge influx of more illegals seeking the same deal. This was because the border wasn't secure. We don't want to repeat that mistake. Let's learn from history. No dodging here.

[sarcasm] But what about the children! [/sarcasm]

I agree with you.

 

[Jhhnn]

When Reagan gave amnesty it led to a huge influx of more illegals seeking the same deal. This was because the border wasn't secure. We don't want to repeat that mistake. Let's learn from history. No dodging here.

I don't think you could show cause & effect if your life depended on it. The numbers rose steadily until a decade ago & have leveled off even as the length of residency has increased. The number of American children dependent on illegal breadwinners continues to grow, however.

Border security is obviously good enough for that to have been achieved. It's just an excuse on your part to avoid honest resolution beneficial to American children.

 

[compuwiz1]

A large part of the hunt for illegals involves some 900,000+ who already had active deportation orders, prior to Trump becoming POTUS. There has been a combination of dodging court, hiding or ignoring the order, and lack of enforcement. IOW, there are over 900k readily deportable people in the hopper, who are most likely first priority. Sound's like no due process needed for many, but then again how can one exercise a right to due process, if they won't show up for court? Anyway, I see a million that will be deported rather easily.

 

[Jhhnn]

A large part of the hunt for illegals involves some 900,000+ who already had active deportation orders, prior to Trump becoming POTUS. There has been a combination of dodging court, hiding or ignoring the order, and lack of enforcement. IOW, there are over 900k readily deportable people in the hopper, who are most likely first priority. Sound's like no due process needed for many, but then again how can one exercise a right to due process, if they won't show up for court? Anyway, I see a million that will be deported rather easily.

Making America White again is just a fantasy. It never really was but it probably looked that way in some places. It still does, & that's where most of the raving is coming from. Fear of the unknown is a powerful thing, properly manipulated, of course.

 

[Sea Ray]

I don't think you could show cause & effect if your life depended on it. The numbers rose steadily until a decade ago & have leveled off even as the length of residency has increased. The number of American children dependent on illegal breadwinners continues to grow, however.

Border security is obviously good enough for that to have been achieved. It's just an excuse on your part to avoid honest resolution beneficial to American children.

Let's put it this way: It didn't work out as planned


But not everything worked out as planned. Reagan’s initial intent was to tighten border security to stem the flow of immigrants coming in the future and to place sanctions on employers continuing to hire undocumented immigrants. Instead, the undocumented immigrant population in the U.S. exploded from 5 million in 1986 to more than 11 million today.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/reagan-amnesty-haunts-immigration-action

 

[gplracer]

To say do not folllow the law because it did not anticipate.... is really not appropriate. Laws are written for a reason. If they no longer meet the needs of society then vote to change them.

 

[Jhhnn]

To say do not folllow the law because it did not anticipate.... is really not appropriate. Laws are written for a reason. If they no longer meet the needs of society then vote to change them.

Current law apparently serves Repub purposes just fine. Having it screwed up lets them have cheap labor & keeps the ravers nicely riled up & irrational. It's one of their perma-issues like abortion that doesn't need to be solved to suit their purposes.

 

[gplracer]

How long has this law been on the books? I bet it served democrats in the same fashion. Did Obama attempt to change it?

 

[Svnla]

Austria and EU are changing immigration policies. Funny how ILLEGALS supporters would not dare to say a word. Nothing about how we should follow other sovereign nations to control the border and limit the number of immigrants. Them EU folks must be soooo rrrrrrraaaaaaaaccccccciiiiiissssssstttt/xenophobic/<insert nasty labels>, right?<sarcastic>

Europe's trend: Austria, once open, now shows migrants door - https://www.yahoo.com/news/europes-trend-austria-once-open-now-shows-migrants-145019804.html

 

[Puffnstuff]

I suppose that next we'll have people who've sped all their lives and never get caught up in arms because the police clock them at 15mph over the limit and then pull them over to ticket them. They rolled the dice and took their chances and now they might have to pay for what they've done.