The homosexual persona

[DigDug]

I've been around enough open homosexuals (and obviously enough heterosexuals) to notice this: all things considered, homosexuals spend more time fashioning their persona to fit what they percieve a homosexual should act like than do heterosexuals.

While you relativists out there will say that its all a spectrum and that there are some of each group that do so, yet the majority - (ahh, its always this "majority") are neither to one extreme or the other.

Perhaps, but it is an ABSOLUTE fact that more homosexuals put on the affected in-your-face-i'm-ru-paul persona than heterosexuals do with a heterosexual persona (I have trouble thinking of what exactly that is).

While I understand that on some level its just a defensive mechanism, you know, feigning self-assuredness and confidence to mask the deepest levels of insecurity and lack of confidence, but in all honesty there is no need.

You don't need to point every man you'd screw and how you'd do it, in a voice too loud for the situational context. We all discuss who we'd like to screw, but we don't yell it out.

You don't need to pretend to be an authority on fashion or feign an arrogance regarding fashion sense. Just cause your gay doesn't mean you need to be familiar with every chic brand label, and you don't need to show/feign disgust when I don't know them.

You don't need to act like a hypersexual hyena. We all have urges; you don't need to steer every conversation in that direction.

You don't need to act like a spoiled brat. You may like to play with little the genitals of boys, but that doesn't make you a little girl. Grow up.

In short, shape your identity to be something more than your homosexuality. When I met Joe, I want to meet Joe, the cool guy that happens to be gay. Not Gay Joe. See what I mean?

 

[Frew]

So?

 

[Atomicus]

Very well put. Now try to convince my fists from unleashing their fury on their jaws and gucci bags.

 

[nakedfrog]

Uh oh... somebody better call the WAAAAHmbulance...

 

[ElFenix]

so, anyone else up for massage oil wrestling? i'll bring the vice grips!

 

[Kilgor]

So I guess you are not a fan of Queer Eye for the strait guy.

 

[DigDug]

So I guess you are not a fan of Queer Eye for the strait guy

That show exists precisely because of this established persona that homosexuals aspire to be. Its too contrived and subscribed to by so many gay people I know. They all speak with the same inflection, the same terminology, and like the same things. Do all heterosexuals speka the same way, have the same, interests, and use the same terminology? It's a persona, there's no question about it.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: DigDug

So I guess you are not a fan of Queer Eye for the strait guy

That show exists precisely because of this established persona that homosexuals aspire to be. Its too contrived and subscribed to by so many gay people I know. They all speak with the same inflection, the same terminology, and like the same things. Do all heterosexuals speka the same way, have the same, interests, and use the same terminology? It's a persona, there's no question about it.

They don't ALL speak the same etc...
That show exists because someone thought it would get ratings and sell ads, and it did, so it continues to exist. Please, kindly STFU.

 

[Kishan]

makes sense :thumbsup:

 

[0roo0roo]

think ur seeing people exploding out of the closet, since i'm assuming your young and so the people u meeet should be too. repression compensation period

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: DigDug

So I guess you are not a fan of Queer Eye for the strait guy

They all speak with the same inflection, the same terminology, and like the same things. Do all heterosexuals speka the same way, have the same, interests, and use the same terminology? It's a persona, there's no question about it.

The above comment describes 90% of heterosexuals I know. Live the same lifestyle, talk about the same things, do the same things.

 

[Kasper4christ]

hrm, i see your point, worked alongside a gay guy at work,
just about everyother sentance or joke, was about "becuase i'm gay"
really never got to know who he really was.. just that he's gay...

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: DigDug
You don't need to act like a spoiled brat. You may like to play with little the genitals of boys, but that doesn't make you a little girl. Grow up.

What was the above supposed to mean? Gay people like to play with the genitals of little boys?? It is actually possible to distinguish between homosexuality, and child sexual assault, believe it or not.

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: DigDug
I've been around enough open homosexuals (and obviously enough heterosexuals) to notice this: all things considered, homosexuals spend more time fashioning their persona to fit what they percieve a homosexual should act like than do heterosexuals.

While you relativists out there will say that its all a spectrum and that there are some of each group that do so, yet the majority - (ahh, its always this "majority") are neither to one extreme or the other.

Perhaps, but it is an ABSOLUTE fact that more homosexuals put on the affected in-your-face-i'm-ru-paul persona than heterosexuals do with a heterosexual persona (I have trouble thinking of what exactly that is).


While I understand that on some level its just a defensive mechanism, you know, feigning self-assuredness and confidence to mask the deepest levels of insecurity and lack of confidence, but in all honesty there is no need.

You don't need to point every man you'd screw and how you'd do it, in a voice too loud for the situational context. We all discuss who we'd like to screw, but we don't yell it out.

You don't need to pretend to be an authority on fashion or feign an arrogance regarding fashion sense. Just cause your gay doesn't mean you need to be familiar with every chic brand label, and you don't need to show/feign disgust when I don't know them.

You don't need to act like a hypersexual hyena. We all have urges; you don't need to steer every conversation in that direction.

You don't need to act like a spoiled brat. You may like to play with little the genitals of boys, but that doesn't make you a little girl. Grow up.

In short, shape your identity to be something more than your homosexuality. When I met Joe, I want to meet Joe, the cool guy that happens to be gay. Not Gay Joe. See what I mean?

Can you think of how many "straight" people you know that wear sports apparel? What you are noticing is that portion of the gay culture that wants to stand out and garner attention. A section that does this to show a "bitchy" attitude that doesn't take any guff from anyone. It's to be expected when you are treated like ssecond class citizens in a supposedly "freedom loving" nation. There is a much larger majority, tho you may never notice them because they dress like other normal people and don't try to draw attention, that is just content to be themselves and not let their sexuality decide what they look like or how they act, me and my partner of 4 years identify with this principle.

Where the F--K do you get off saying I like to play with little boys genitals! :| Obviously you don't know any gay men or women, and you sure as hell have not the right to be acting like you do!

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: DigDug

So I guess you are not a fan of Queer Eye for the strait guy

That show exists precisely because of this established persona that homosexuals aspire to be. Its too contrived and subscribed to by so many gay people I know. They all speak with the same inflection, the same terminology, and like the same things. Do all heterosexuals speka the same way, have the same, interests, and use the same terminology? It's a persona, there's no question about it.

Just as there are some women that are into fashion and style on the same token there are those that are not. It is the same in the gay culture, it is even the same in the straight male world. You really should not generalize, i.e. use "majority" terms, when there are no hard facts to support your claim.

Even more so what does it matter? Flat out it doesn't, people have a right to do what they want to do. It is our job, indeed a responsibility, as individuals to learn to accept and appreciate each other for our differences, not try to segregate by pointing out our differences just because there is a difference.

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
think ur seeing people exploding out of the closet, since i'm assuming your young and so the people u meeet should be too. repression compensation period

Ditto. gays after the age of 27 or 28 really mellow out and are just happy to be normal and free of the hell they had to go through just to survive high school and adolesence. Learn this well and think of this when you see a gay youth with frizzed out hair, makup, yes some where skin toning makeup, and is shaking his booty like there is a marachi band playing some where in his head. And while you are thinking of that think of how you would feel if you received death threats in high school, and sometimes from your own family, simply because you were a female. I think you too would be at a point where you would feel like you were going to break if you did not express yourself when you finally had a chance to. Basically compassion is needed here not finger pointing of differences.

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: Kasper4christ
hrm, i see your point, worked alongside a gay guy at work,
just about everyother sentance or joke, was about "becuase i'm gay"
really never got to know who he really was.. just that he's gay...

Tip: Those of us who are constantly referring to their sexxuallity are looking for a reaccuance they are accepted as they are. perhaps something like this could have been used to break the ice. I however tend to find that these people are best left alone to find their own version of self acceptance. Because once you truely and deeply accept your self as you are it does not matter what others think. Because you know who you are and what you are about.

 

[realredpanda]

well i started listening to judy garland records because being young and gay i just thought thats what you did.some gay men are just naturally effeminate,and some of us just aren't.it's like your too straight to be gay but too gay to be straight,everyone plays to some kind of stereotype,some are just admittedly more annoying then others

 

[nageov3t]

meh. it's no different than a pack of straight guys watching football and oggling the cheerleaders.

anyways, who cares?

 

[Ryan]

I never talk about guys, or how hot they are outside of private conversations, or even in public for that matter. I don't have an in your face persona, in fact, I'd say that I'm very introverted. I don't know sh!t about fashion, I dress in a t-shirt and cargo pants nearly every day. The only real brands I know are freakin' Old Navy, Tommy, Ralph Lauryn, Gap, American Eagle - that's all that I really wear. In normal conversation, I would never bring up my sex life, or anything sexual in nature to begin with.

My response to you - quit being a smug, pompous, ignorant, stereotypical dick.

 

[natto fire]

Ok I think 1 of 2 things is going on here either:

a) You try to play to sterotypes yourself, and therefore only associate with people that do the same.

b) You have never met a gay person and just made this up because you are homophobic.

That being said, I have not noticed this "majority" you speak of. In fact the only gay people I have seen that act like that are on TV. Where do you live?

By the way rbloedow, your sig is great

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Captain_Howdy
Ok I think 1 of 2 things is going on here either:

a) You try to play to sterotypes yourself, and therefore only associate with people that do the same.

b) You have never met a gay person and just made this up because you are homophobic.

That being said, I have not noticed this "majority" you speak of. In fact the only gay people I have seen that act like that are on TV. Where do you live?

By the way rbloedow, your sig is great

:thumbsup:

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Very well put. Now try to convince my fists from unleashing their fury on their jaws and gucci bags.

Dick.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: DigDug
I've been around enough open homosexuals (and obviously enough heterosexuals) to notice this: all things considered, homosexuals spend more time fashioning their persona to fit what they percieve a homosexual should act like than do heterosexuals.

While you relativists out there will say that its all a spectrum and that there are some of each group that do so, yet the majority - (ahh, its always this "majority") are neither to one extreme or the other.

Perhaps, but it is an ABSOLUTE fact that more homosexuals put on the affected in-your-face-i'm-ru-paul persona than heterosexuals do with a heterosexual persona (I have trouble thinking of what exactly that is).

While I understand that on some level its just a defensive mechanism, you know, feigning self-assuredness and confidence to mask the deepest levels of insecurity and lack of confidence, but in all honesty there is no need.

You don't need to point every man you'd screw and how you'd do it, in a voice too loud for the situational context. We all discuss who we'd like to screw, but we don't yell it out.

You don't need to pretend to be an authority on fashion or feign an arrogance regarding fashion sense. Just cause your gay doesn't mean you need to be familiar with every chic brand label, and you don't need to show/feign disgust when I don't know them.

You don't need to act like a hypersexual hyena. We all have urges; you don't need to steer every conversation in that direction.

You don't need to act like a spoiled brat. You may like to play with little the genitals of boys, but that doesn't make you a little girl. Grow up.

In short, shape your identity to be something more than your homosexuality. When I met Joe, I want to meet Joe, the cool guy that happens to be gay. Not Gay Joe. See what I mean?

Heterosexuals do this too.

How many homosexuals have you actually met 10, 20?

 

[Muadib]

You sir are homophobic!