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Originally posted by: yosuke188
Originally posted by: intogamer
Originally posted by: yosuke188
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: yosuke188
My question is why did the US drop 2 atomic bombs? Or why did they have to drop it on such a densely populated city? Didn't they say that the bridge was a tactical point or something when it really wasn't?

Now I might be a little biased here, but I still can't understand why the US had to kill that many people to make a point.
Two bombs and Japan was out of the war. The point of war was to win.
Better them getting bombed than us.

Yah, but do you think 3 days were enough to fully comprehend the damage done by a nuclear bomb? Why couldn't they just wait a little to see if Japan would surrender?

The only reason Japan surrendered is because of the two nukes

Why do would they surrender if we didn't do anything???

Maybe I didn't make my question clear enough... I was asking why not 1 instead of 2. Wasn't the destruction of a whole city enough?
To this day we are still trying to fully comprehend the damage done by the only two nuclear weapons used in combat, ever.

One bomb would have been impressive, two at a minimum would seal the deal.
The technology was brand new and it was all or nothing. The axis powers posed a very real threat to the world and taking the most direct possible route to beating them was the goal. That goal was met very efficiently and at an absolute minimal loss for the allied forces.

Was anything that happened in that war enough?
 
So we agree that dropping two atomic bombs on civilians is the most henious act ever committed by any country in the history of civilization.

Glad you asshats agree.

Rogo
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Aimster
IMO killing hundreds of thousands of civilians to save the lives of soldiers is wrong.

soldiers have a job so let them do it.
do not play God and kill hundreds of thousands of civilians so the soldier death count is low.

Of course those days are over. Otherwise we would have nuked Vietnam.

piss off, my dad was one of those soldiers who was training to invade japan, im glad Truman had the nuts to do what had to be done to end the war without causing anymore AMERICAN deaths, Japan started it and refused to surrender. they got what they deserved.

keyword highlighted.
 
I've done a search of this thread for "731" and found no matches.

I'm somewhat surprised that no one seems to have mentioned Camp 731 / Unit 731.

Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

For those who read that article but don't know the definition of "vivisection", here's the terse definition for convenience:

"Just as dissection is to cut or operate on a deceased animal, vivisection is to cut or operate on a living animal."

Perhaps I should also point out that near the end of WWII, the Japanese had designed large submarines that could carry planes for the purpose of conducting biological warfare on the United States. At Camp 731 they had developed and tested (on unfortunate Chinese villages) bombs that contain fleas infected with bubonic plague. The casings of the bombs were made of ceramics because the Japanese had found that the explosive force necessary to rupture a steel casing also killed the fleas. That was their approach to a weapon of mass destruction, or perhaps just one of many approaches.

War is, to the best of my perception, a habit - the singularly most despicable habit afflicting Homo sapiens. The "Dogs of War" are, IMHO, insane canines.

We are separated from the rest of the animal kingdom by only a few attributes. The "herding instinct" is not one of those attributes and given the right environment/propaganda, virtually any of those posting to this thread, including me, is capable of committing the same atrocities as those carried out by the Japanese.

And consider, for example, the "mini wars", in the form of emotional flare-ups, that have broken out in this very thread. Unfortunately, the neurons in the limbic system (where emotions are thought to originate) operate at speeds greater than those of the neurons found in the cortex. As the direct result, our actions are dictated by our emotions far more than we generally care to admit.

Habits of any kind are not easy to break. Has anyone mentioned that the Japanese are beginning to re-arm?

These comments are not intended to incite animosity toward the Japanese.

They are, however, meant to point out our woeful - and dangerous, ignorance of ourselves as a species.

And I'm probably at least as ignorant in this respect as the next person.....



 
There are a few walls there where the blast of the bomb etched a photographic relief of the person forever; their shadow forever standing. It's kind of eerie.

 
I support what they did that may sound harsh but you have to remember what they did to us when we were down they made there attack they started it we finished it.
 
I have always hated the bombings of Japan; I am not 'emo' but fvk reading about what happened their would make anyone human cry...I think Japan was set up and our leaders wanted to show the discovery we made. I think they were banking on the world bowing down to us in one swoop.

We could have easily picked a remote section of Japan to demonstrate, but I still wonder why we didn't bomb Germany earlier...

People that posted about Japan's Military experiments above should also mention the rest of the superpowers also did the same things. The USA had dropped bombs on it's own soldiers to see how'd they hold up and even worse things.

Unfortunately, War is a great economy booster and the people buy into hate your neighbor even more now.

It's too late now, unless major casualties of our young are accepted; but I seriously think when the US started they should have made a mandatory 2 year enlistment for all those turning 18...male and female alike. The world should do that.

I think it would cut down on war and at the same time like the Cafe Latte drinkers realize their stock performance is not worth lives. They do seem to care though when the cost to run their SUV's jumps.

Sadly all war stems from the leader wanting to make their share bigger. It's rare someone steps up to bat for humanity.

To those talking about how Japan is so suicidal...ritual suicide and self-sacrifice are a lot different than someone sitting down in a hot bath to slit their wrists or kneel down on a shotgun.

Unfortunately in most of the world self-sacrifice for a greater good is thought of as retarded.
 
Originally posted by: alkemyst
I have always hated the bombings of Japan; I am not 'emo' but fvk reading about what happened their would make anyone human cry...I think Japan was set up and our leaders wanted to show the discovery we made. I think they were banking on the world bowing down to us in one swoop.

We could have easily picked a remote section of Japan to demonstrate, but I still wonder why we didn't bomb Germany earlier...

People that posted about Japan's Military experiments above should also mention the rest of the superpowers also did the same things. The USA had dropped bombs on it's own soldiers to see how'd they hold up and even worse things.

Unfortunately, War is a great economy booster and the people buy into hate your neighbor even more now.

It's too late now, unless major casualties of our young are accepted; but I seriously think when the US started they should have made a mandatory 2 year enlistment for all those turning 18...male and female alike. The world should do that.

I think it would cut down on war and at the same time like the Cafe Latte drinkers realize their stock performance is not worth lives. They do seem to care though when the cost to run their SUV's jumps.

Sadly all war stems from the leader wanting to make their share bigger. It's rare someone steps up to bat for humanity.

To those talking about how Japan is so suicidal...ritual suicide and self-sacrifice are a lot different than someone sitting down in a hot bath to slit their wrists or kneel down on a shotgun.

Unfortunately in most of the world self-sacrifice for a greater good is thought of as retarded.

Most of the Japanese military command was very willing to fight to the death, even after they dropped the first weapon.

Sufficent U-235 and Pu-239 wasn't available before Germany surrendered, they were done after the Battle of the Bluge anyway and everyone knew it (except Hitler).

What the Japanese did to Asia is in no way comparable to anything the US has ever done. Not even the Indians got treated that badly. I think most people fail to grasp the scale and severity of what Imperial Japan did. It is thought that millions more Asians (Chinese, Koreans, ect..) died as a result of Japanese conquest than in than people in Europe. Japan's war conduct with regards to the Allies was no less deplorable. They wanted a war without mercy, showing us time and again how determined they were in this. We simply obliged them.

Japanese self sacrifice was based on a corruption of the Bushido code and a total faith in the diety status of the Emperor. It was a cult of fanaticism not unlike the Nazis in many ways. Though the Germans as a whole were usually far more pragmatic when faced with most situations.




 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: alkemyst
I have always hated the bombings of Japan; I am not 'emo' but fvk reading about what happened their would make anyone human cry...I think Japan was set up and our leaders wanted to show the discovery we made. I think they were banking on the world bowing down to us in one swoop.

We could have easily picked a remote section of Japan to demonstrate, but I still wonder why we didn't bomb Germany earlier...

People that posted about Japan's Military experiments above should also mention the rest of the superpowers also did the same things. The USA had dropped bombs on it's own soldiers to see how'd they hold up and even worse things.

Unfortunately, War is a great economy booster and the people buy into hate your neighbor even more now.

It's too late now, unless major casualties of our young are accepted; but I seriously think when the US started they should have made a mandatory 2 year enlistment for all those turning 18...male and female alike. The world should do that.

I think it would cut down on war and at the same time like the Cafe Latte drinkers realize their stock performance is not worth lives. They do seem to care though when the cost to run their SUV's jumps.

Sadly all war stems from the leader wanting to make their share bigger. It's rare someone steps up to bat for humanity.

To those talking about how Japan is so suicidal...ritual suicide and self-sacrifice are a lot different than someone sitting down in a hot bath to slit their wrists or kneel down on a shotgun.

Unfortunately in most of the world self-sacrifice for a greater good is thought of as retarded.

Most of the Japanese military command was very willing to fight to the death, even after they dropped the first weapon.

Sufficent U-235 and Pu-239 wasn't available before Germany surrendered, they were done after the Battle of the Bluge anyway and everyone knew it (except Hitler).

What the Japanese did to Asia is in no way comparable to anything the US has ever done. Not even the Indians got treated that badly. I think most people fail to grasp the scale and severity of what Imperial Japan did. It is thought that millions more Asians (Chinese, Koreans, ect..) died as a result of Japanese conquest than in than people in Europe. Japan's war conduct with regards to the Allies was no less deplorable. They wanted a war without mercy, showing us time and again how determined they were in this. We simply obliged them.

Japanese self sacrifice was based on a corruption of the Bushido code and a total faith in the diety status of the Emperor. It was a cult of fanaticism not unlike the Nazis in many ways. Though the Germans as a whole were usually far more pragmatic when faced with most situations.

you guys crack me up...arguing over something that happened over 60 years ago....sure it was horrible, but that is war, whats done is done, nothing will change that.

Sadly though we haven't learnt anything from those events....wars still happen, people still kill people.



 
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: Aimster
Face it ... we nuked Japan because

We got tired of the very long war. We didn't want to do a naval blockade. Nobody would feel as if we won by doing that. People at home wouldn't be cheering.

We wanted to send our boys home and we wanted to say "in your face bitches" and have the U.S citizens dance on the streets and celebrate. Remember, we hated the Japs. They were pigs to us back then.

Plus we got an amazing new weapon. We wanted to test that bad boy out.

Show the world that nobody better mess with the U.S again.

The nuking of Japan was all for political reasons. It was not to save lives.

You are a troll 😛

Indeed. I'm surprised he hasn't logged in with his other account so he can agree with himself.
 
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: alkemyst
I have always hated the bombings of Japan; I am not 'emo' but fvk reading about what happened their would make anyone human cry...I think Japan was set up and our leaders wanted to show the discovery we made. I think they were banking on the world bowing down to us in one swoop.

We could have easily picked a remote section of Japan to demonstrate, but I still wonder why we didn't bomb Germany earlier...

People that posted about Japan's Military experiments above should also mention the rest of the superpowers also did the same things. The USA had dropped bombs on it's own soldiers to see how'd they hold up and even worse things.

Unfortunately, War is a great economy booster and the people buy into hate your neighbor even more now.

It's too late now, unless major casualties of our young are accepted; but I seriously think when the US started they should have made a mandatory 2 year enlistment for all those turning 18...male and female alike. The world should do that.

I think it would cut down on war and at the same time like the Cafe Latte drinkers realize their stock performance is not worth lives. They do seem to care though when the cost to run their SUV's jumps.

Sadly all war stems from the leader wanting to make their share bigger. It's rare someone steps up to bat for humanity.

To those talking about how Japan is so suicidal...ritual suicide and self-sacrifice are a lot different than someone sitting down in a hot bath to slit their wrists or kneel down on a shotgun.

Unfortunately in most of the world self-sacrifice for a greater good is thought of as retarded.

Most of the Japanese military command was very willing to fight to the death, even after they dropped the first weapon.

Sufficent U-235 and Pu-239 wasn't available before Germany surrendered, they were done after the Battle of the Bluge anyway and everyone knew it (except Hitler).

What the Japanese did to Asia is in no way comparable to anything the US has ever done. Not even the Indians got treated that badly. I think most people fail to grasp the scale and severity of what Imperial Japan did. It is thought that millions more Asians (Chinese, Koreans, ect..) died as a result of Japanese conquest than in than people in Europe. Japan's war conduct with regards to the Allies was no less deplorable. They wanted a war without mercy, showing us time and again how determined they were in this. We simply obliged them.

Japanese self sacrifice was based on a corruption of the Bushido code and a total faith in the diety status of the Emperor. It was a cult of fanaticism not unlike the Nazis in many ways. Though the Germans as a whole were usually far more pragmatic when faced with most situations.

you guys crack me up...arguing over something that happened over 60 years ago....sure it was horrible, but that is war, whats done is done, nothing will change that.

Sadly though we haven't learnt anything from those events....wars still happen, people still kill people.

I only get a little miffed when we are indicted for our conduct in the war and people think Japan wasnt that bad and evil America ganged up on them.

War will most likely always be with us in one form or another, or as the guy in my sig says:

"Let us recollect, that peace or war, will not always be left to our options.?To judge from the history of mankind, we shall be compelled to conclude, that the fiery and destructive passions of war, reign in the human breast, with much more powerful sway, than the mild and beneficial sentiments of peace; and, that to model our political systems upon speculations of lasting tranquility, is to calculate on the weaker springs of the human character."
 
non-american point of view coming into the fight!

It is not the first time i have discussed the american obsession with war. I read what some "patriots" here have written and it is once again the hillbilly godam-foreigners-jealous-of-our-glorious-democracy flag-waving morons that always seem to redeem america of any wrong doing. I even heard someone say "they started it" like some 5 year old in primary school.

Once again they put forward as argument the ridiculus estimates (see 100+ thousand and so on) of what would the death tall be if the US had not dropped the bombs. We know these estimates. For the past 50 years we see these estimates proved wrong on all american wars. The napalming of vietnam, the hospital bombings of kossovo, the anarchy and civil war in iraq. I must say that your estimates are not good enough for toilet paper. So stop saying what would have happened if you hadnt dropped the bomb cause history has proven your military is incapable of making estimates.

Flag wavers are just sheep chewing on the grass over and over again hoping that this way it will become more easily digested! Not the case for the ones who read a little more and outside of the patriotic fanaticisms that suit televangelist kind of people. People who cry about the need for america to save the world from opression and then go back to their trailer to beat their wives or join the army and torture muslims or drag them to guandanamo and keep them there for years without charges or any legal represantation. The great american democracy.

The issue is not to descuss the rightiousness of the use of the A bomb in japan in terms of who of the 2 was the nastiest. The simple and awfull truth is that japan was ready to surrender but america had to use the bombs to test them and tell the world that the american century was beggining. Read some of the testimonies of generals involved in the bombing and you will see what i mean. Except ofcourse if you decide to brand them unamerican and dismiss them.

To all patriot americans out there i ask this: Have you never asked yourselves why america is at a constant state of war for the past 55 years? 4 generations of americans have grewn up with their country at war. It is now considered the norm.

Your goverment tells you you need to go to that country in the world and do this and that with them and then move on to the next country for so long now and all you do is sit back in your couches and complain about how many 18 year old soldiers you lost!!!! Yeeeeah kill the bastards, godam sheet wearing turban lovers. Loook , they wear sandals and they dont know what a big-mac is. Truely savages that need us to liberate them!

The whole world has an issue with your behaviour and you just look surprised and say "what? what did i do?....if i hadnt done this then a trillion people would have died".

Wake up and critisise yourselves. It will make you better persons and maybe america will become the land of freedom once again. Right now you lot are the only ones who believe you are in the avant guard of the democratic world. Everyone else is watching at you in disbelief and wondering what kind of trauma was responsible to make you behave like children whose daddy didnt get them the buzz lightyear doll.
 
Originally posted by: alejandroAT
non-american point of view coming into the fight!

It is not the first time i have discussed the american obsession with war. I read what some "patriots" here have written and it is once again the hillbilly godam-foreigners-jealous-of-our-glorious-democracy flag-waving morons that always seem to redeem america of any wrong doing. I even heard someone say "they started it" like some 5 year old in primary school.

Once again they put forward as argument the ridiculus estimates (see 100+ thousand and so on) of what would the death tall be if the US had not dropped the bombs. We know these estimates. For the past 50 years we see these estimates proved wrong on all american wars. The napalming of vietnam, the hospital bombings of kossovo, the anarchy and civil war in iraq. I must say that your estimates are not good enough for toilet paper. So stop saying what would have happened if you hadnt dropped the bomb cause history has proven your military is incapable of making estimates.

Flag wavers are just sheep chewing on the grass over and over again hoping that this way it will become more easily digested! Not the case for the ones who read a little more and outside of the patriotic fanaticisms that suit televangelist kind of people. People who cry about the need for america to save the world from opression and then go back to their trailer to beat their wives or join the army and torture muslims or drag them to guandanamo and keep them there for years without charges or any legal represantation. The great american democracy.

The issue is not to descuss the rightiousness of the use of the A bomb in japan in terms of who of the 2 was the nastiest. The simple and awfull truth is that japan was ready to surrender but america had to use the bombs to test them and tell the world that the american century was beggining. Read some of the testimonies of generals involved in the bombing and you will see what i mean. Except ofcourse if you decide to brand them unamerican and dismiss them.

To all patriot americans out there i ask this: Have you never asked yourselves why america is at a constant state of war for the past 55 years? 4 generations of americans have grewn up with their country at war. It is now considered the norm.

Your goverment tells you you need to go to that country in the world and do this and that with them and then move on to the next country for so long now and all you do is sit back in your couches and complain about how many 18 year old soldiers you lost!!!! Yeeeeah kill the bastards, godam sheet wearing turban lovers. Loook , they wear sandals and they dont know what a big-mac is. Truely savages that need us to liberate them!

The whole world has an issue with your behaviour and you just look surprised and say "what? what did i do?....if i hadnt done this then a trillion people would have died".

Wake up and critisise yourselves. It will make you better persons and maybe america will become the land of freedom once again. Right now you lot are the only ones who believe you are in the avant guard of the democratic world. Everyone else is watching at you in disbelief and wondering what kind of trauma was responsible to make you behave like children whose daddy didnt get them the buzz lightyear doll.

I'm not gunna touch that one with a ten foot (flag?) pole.
 
what are you not going to touch? my unamerican comments?

i'm really sorry dudes for coming in every time and cuss you all down. I do not intend to. I login to see any interesting threads to read and then i read some of the flag-waving comments and the blood just rushes to the head.
 
Originally posted by: alejandroAT
what are you not going to touch? my unamerican comments?

i'm really sorry dudes for coming in every time and cuss you all down. I do not intend to. I login to see any interesting threads to read and then i read some of the flag-waving comments and the blood just rushes to the head.

I'm not American either, but your gunna get eaten alive once a few of the yanks get here.

sucks to be you.
 
haha....i know...it's not the first time. My only hope is that there are still a few who agree with me even though they are american. I have started mapping them according to originating state. It is interesting to see how some states are filled with fanatics and others seem to have more normal people.
 
Originally posted by: alejandroAT
haha....i know...it's not the first time. My only hope is that there are still a few who agree with me even though they are american. I have started mapping them according to originating state. It is interesting to see how some states are filled with fanatics and others seem to have more normal people.

hmm While I agree that the Atom bomb was a horrible thing to use. The fact that my countryman (Australia) would have been involved in the invasion of japan along side the American's, makes think that it was probably the easiest way to end the war.
The struggle that Australia had with Japan was one of the fiecest of WW2 and one of the most brutal, thousands of Australian's along with possible million's of American's would have died invading Japan...they(the Japanese Imperial Army) truely were savages and would have possible fought the fiecest battles in the history of warfare to protect their homeland.
 
lol wtf. I just ventured into this thread and it's a flamezone.

what's done is done. who cares. We're in a global economy. we, us...we had no bearing on what happened 60 years ago. Let's just expand on our current global economic rise, capitalize on our current awesome connectivity and communications, and let's talk business. let the cash flow.

if war happens, me, as one person cannot voice out loud to stop it. if it happens, it happens. it's a force that not one person can stop. The way you guys flame each other out for something our ancestors did is stupid. we all should be happy that we can talk to each other like this, and exchange "quality" ideas.

if someone wants to keep his own opinion about something..fine. why do i have to get in here and get all pissed off for. there is absolutely no point. it's in our nature, yes..but really, whocares. dousing the thread w/ gasoline won't do sh!t, won't make you richer, won't make you more successful, and won't garantee you to give your offspring a good life. so cool down everyone. If you care so much to what another thinks, you must really really care for that guy eh? IF you're happy w/ your own ideas and ideals, then so be it. no need to toss that ****** all over the place and start flamewars, or no need to argue about something that really has nothing to do with you.

ya, this WWII had nothing to do with us thesedays. of course "it has eveything to do with us" because our world today, as in every single other event in history from 1 second ago to 10000 years ago, was shaped from events. But really, just go on and live a happy life, make sure your kids have a good life, and make sure everyone around you are well supported. That's all there is to it. don't sweat over some text over an internet forum.


i know my post is riddled w/ random comments and grammatically incorrect sentence structure, but i don't care... i'll edit it later, hehehe.


EDIT:
WHY THE HELL SHOULD THE CURRENT GEN OF AMERICANS FEEL GUILTY OVER SOMETHING THAT THEY DID NOT DECIDE TO DO?! errr?!!?! WHOCARES!!! let's get on with our lives!

i'm korean, and i've met a lot of stupid koreans that still have a grudge against the japanese 😕 ok. The current gen of Japanese people had nothing to do with it. Well at the same time, I've met even more stupid koreans that are soo anti-american in korea. They should know their place, and realise they would be living in a sh!thole, or not even exist if it weren't for Americans.

I don't understand why my people want to start sh!t. we're way too egotistical and prideful. Lame.
 
you are of course right DanTMWTMP to say that we shouldnt hold grudge over something that happened so long ago. But look at the other side too. How long is long enough to forget? 60 years was for japan. 40 for vietnam, 30 for greece, 10 for kossovo, still-going for iraq, tomorow iran and korea, maybe canada ( 🙂 ).

Do NOT FORGET that americans want to be forgiven for the atom bomb, yet 5 years ago some crazed up saudi arabians killed a couple of thousand civilians (countless times less than the japanese victims of the bomb) and a completely irrelevant country like iraq is STILL PAYING FOR IT RIGHT NOW. So what the hell are they trying to say? that nomatter what they do they are the good guys by default. Of course, you cant trust a slit-eye can you? they are always scheming to take over the world arent they? too bad america beat them to it. (sarcasm intended)

An example: my country, greece, had a military coup supported by the cia that lasted 7 years from '67 to 74' and during which coulntless people were tortured, jailed, executed. Executed !!! in the 70s!!!! That could never happen in the states and americans live in denial that it happens elsewhere in the world. Even after the public was informed about guandanamo and Abu Ghraib, nothing really changed. Instead of being shocked they started yelling "suits them right" and "everything goes in war".

Yes they say now "who cares about something that happened 60 years ago" but they do not realise that IT HAS NOT STOPPED YET. Since then they have invaded, killed, tortured, manipulated, countless times over and around the world and they have the nerve to be called liberators and righteous. They have the nerve to say that they are the true great democracy and that all the rest of the world live in tyranny and ignorance. Even the president has claimed to be doing the WORK OF GOD. How messed up is that?

So you cant really stand back and say "go cowboys go" cause you know once one war is over, they'll just start the next one, like they have been doing for half a century now.

Europe is now extremely cautious with americans. I dare to say that we fear them. We fear their immaturity and cowboy behaviour. We are starting to wonder whether we may be next. Who knows, maybe one day we do something that america doesnt like or does not approve. That day they may come to "liberate" us too!
 
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: alejandroAT
haha....i know...it's not the first time. My only hope is that there are still a few who agree with me even though they are american. I have started mapping them according to originating state. It is interesting to see how some states are filled with fanatics and others seem to have more normal people.

hmm While I agree that the Atom bomb was a horrible thing to use. The fact that my countryman (Australia) would have been involved in the invasion of japan along side the American's, makes think that it was probably the easiest way to end the war.
The struggle that Australia had with Japan was one of the fiecest of WW2 and one of the most brutal, thousands of Australian's along with possible million's of American's would have died invading Japan...they(the Japanese Imperial Army) truely were savages and would have possible fought the fiecest battles in the history of warfare to protect their homeland.



surely the easiest way to end the war would have been to accept japans surrender?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/trinity/supplement/procon.html
 
well, that is an extreme view, or just one way to look at it. But ya, there are soo many other factors involved in the things you've suggested. You're generalizing way too easily there on something that is impossible to generalize. with every event, there are soo many variables involved, that one cannot point to one sole reason for an even from happening. Don't act like some sort of clansman. It seems like you just talk a lot w/ a lot of emotion. I guess that's ok and all, but use that emotion to do something. Start up a business that sells stuff with other nations. Get the cash to flow all around the world. The more the world is integrated and reliant on a global economy, then humans in general will have a steady climb of higher standards of living. Business will rule, and will come first before any military decision. We can always dump our military on some remote places for humanitarian purposes (Africa, damn it).

I, really, don't relaly care for your opinion, since it really does not affect me. I will do something about what I feel is right by taking advantage of our ever-increasing global economy. That way everyone can theoretically take action and share in their wealth.

This obviously does not apply to lazy people who do nothing but bitch and moan and use harsh words, and yet, do nothing.

If you want your message across, go start a business, or be a part of a global business. Little things like that can go a long way. But talking big from misinformation will just lead to nothing.

Your argument that all the US wars are tied together, and US is shoving it around everywhere needs to be referenced. I can possibly see a link because my brain is trying to link everything all together. Obviously we weren't biult to understand the grand scheme of things and love to localize and generalize until we're happy. So yes, do read around a bit more, but do it from varying view points.


As for not stopping yet, what do you mean? WWII --> Japan attacks Pearl Harbor. There's reason to get into war now, and would you liked to have a facist government running Europe now? During the cold war, humans reverted to tactics to spread their idealisms on what they percieved as right. It was an ugly game for both sides, and smaller nations and their peoples suffered from it. You can't say it's entirely the US's doing. But really, what would have been better anyways? What were the other alternatives?

It's not just some simple "hmm, ok let's impose our will and idealism on these nations..." Your comments are oversimplistic.

as for iraq... The current admin is something that hates deliberation, and wants to get things underway as soon as possible. At first, it was a great idea, and had a lot of support. In hindsight, it's unpopular because it just feels like some quagmire that's hard to pull out of. At least the surrounding counties have one less aggresive regime to worry about. Of course, they also dont' like that the US is the one spearheading it. They wanted Saddam gone, but also, they didn't want US in there as well.
As for bush and his "holy war..."
Bush is using the red states of the US to do what he wants. To get their support, he uses a tactic of religion to garner their support. ok well, it's one of the many tactics. So it's not soley in the Name of God as you say. Iraq in the future can be a blessing in disguise for western nations; since, if US stays in Iraq for the next 20 or so years, then the western nations have a staging ground against other nations in that area. Iraq looks like it's ideally located right in the middle of the Mid East, so western nations and/or UN can have leverage in that area for the next couple of decades. This is obviously bad news for the people over there since it hurts their pride and ego, that some other group of nations can just impose their will upon them w/ a show of force. For the west, it's good news since now they have a legitimate government in the middle of the middle east to do whatever they want to do.

People shouldn't act so centralized. We are all humans. We are of one race. We are going global at an alarming rate, and we should accept it. I like the fact that China's getting stronger, and the Euro is getting stronger. It will make for a healthier global economy later on. many nations have the power and capability to help other nations in need (Africa, Mid East, etc). Yet, they don't do it. only US does it to help the repressed and hungry, yet of course, even with its "good intentions," they are executed in a (percieved) poorly manner.

I think all other nations should follow suite, create a global infrastructure good for business. At least China's doing something in Africa. Thing is, they're doing it w/ businessmen, and not with soldiers. But of course, everyone has pride and ego for their own people-types/clans/country.

wtf did i just type in? bah, too lazy to read my own thing and re-edit it for clarity. make your own generalizations 😛
 
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