The HD7790 "Bonaire" New GPU from AMD [Edit: NOW WITH 100% MORE REVIEWS!]

[lagokc]

7790 needs to be at $120 and push the 7750 down to $60 and the 7770 to $80-90.

That would be nice, I'm just now starting to feel like the 4830 I bought some time ago for $85 isn't good enough any more.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125454

It appears that 2GB 7790s are already available but at $170 they only seem like a good deal if you were about to spend $60 on Bioshock Infinite anyway.

Actually... $110 for a 2GB 7790... hmm...

 

[Arkadrel]

I ended up picking up a 7790 since I was going to get Bioshock Infinite. The $150 price tag for the OC edition was a bit high, but it gets me the $60 game I was going to get anyway, and the 7790 will be a decent upgrade over the 4770 currently sitting in my second system. I do love me some bundle deals.

Not bad

Like a 90$ upgrade then.
Thats what? around 225% performance of the 4770?

The "bad" news is your 7790 uses on avg. about 6watts (while gameing)
more than your 4770 did

relax tho, the idle power is much much lower:
4770 = 32watts idleing
7790 = 7watts idleing

For most people there pc's probably arnt gameing most of the time their on anyways,
so its where it matters the most.

 

[f1sherman]

http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/launch-analyse-nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti-boost


Nvidia really stuck it to AMD this round.
Nah... J/K, because excellent game bundless / Tomb Raider, Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinite - all 3 must haves, should keep AMD afloat.

At least in theory...:hmm:

 

[Arkadrel]

What is your point f1sherman?

backhanded insults to a card, sarcasm, implying AMD is going under.

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1 link that shows something everyone knows (and in german lol),
the 650Ti Boost is about 20% faster than the stock 7790.

It ll probably end up costing 20% more, and the performance/$ will be the same for both cards.
So the consumer wont end up hurt, reguardless of how many "free" games come with in in a game bundle or not.


The 650 Ti Boost is 221mm^2 chip, that uses ~60% more power than a 7790.
The 7790 is a 160mm^2 chip, thats more power effecient.

Its normal when you make a big chip, that uses more power,
that its faster than a smaller one, that uses alot less.

 

[f1sherman]

gf please cherry-picking is not how I roll

"1 link" is actually an aggregate done from data gathered by 5 highly respectable websites:
Techpowerup, PCGH, hardware.fr , Heise, HT4U

 

[Arkadrel]

I know that f1sherman, I read it and the 2nd page of it too.
Also I didnt accuse of you cherry picking (if you read it like that, sorry thats my bad).

It still doesnt change anything.
Most people by now know the 650ti boost is about 20% faster.

What was the point of your post?
And why the "hate" ?

 

[svenge]

It ll probably end up costing 20% more, and the performance/$ will be the same for both cards.

Both the 7790 and 650 Ti Boost have the same MSRP: $150 for reference-clocked 1GB versions, and $170 for reference-clocked 2GB versions. As such, the 7790 is markedly inferior in all respects except for power consumption.

 

[Arkadrel]

Both the 7790 and 650 Ti Boost have the same MSRP: $150 for reference-clocked 1GB versions, and $170 for reference-clocked 2GB versions. As such, the 7790 is markedly inferior in all respects except for power consumption.

I just checked newegg.

1) cheapest 650 TI boost = 169$ (2gb) (NO 1GB models there)
2) cheapest 7790 = 149$

Thats like a 13-14% price differnce, while the performance differnce is like 20%.

This means the 650 ti Boost, has a small price/performance advantage.


Where do you find 150$ 650 Ti boost ?

 

[notty22]

I just checked newegg.

1) cheapest 650 TI boost = 169$ (2gb) (NO 1GB models there)
2) cheapest 7790 = 149$

Thats like a 13-14% price differnce, while the performance differnce is like 20%.

This means the 650 ti Boost, has a small price/performance advantage.


Where do you find 150$ 650 Ti boost ?

And the cheapest 7790 you are using as a comparison is a 1gb, against 2gb cards. The card is a AMD new die 'refresh' , over a year after the first GCN gpu's @28nm , and offers little to no extra performance.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Both the 7790 and 650 Ti Boost have the same MSRP: $150 for reference-clocked 1GB versions, and $170 for reference-clocked 2GB versions. As such, the 7790 is markedly inferior in all respects except for power consumption.

Some people dig lower power consumption. Is Bonaire better on perf/watt? Edit: it appears so!

 

[Arachnotronic]

http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/launch-analyse-nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti-boost


Nvidia really stuck it to AMD this round.
Nah... J/K, because excellent game bundless / Tomb Raider, Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinite - all 3 must haves, should keep AMD afloat.

At least in theory...:hmm:

These bundles are a very good idea, but I wonder how much it eats into AMD's margins on the cards.

 

[Arkadrel]

And the cheapest 7790 you are using as a comparison is a 1gb, against 2gb cards. The card is a AMD new die 'refresh' , over a year after the first GCN gpu's @28nm , and offers little to no extra performance.

Thats because the only reveiws ive read, where from techpowerup.com

They all use the 1 GB models (for the 7790's).
The 650 TI boost (2 GB), beats the 1 GB models (7790) by about 20%.

Why is it unfair to compair price vs price, if you factor in performance?

Some people dig lower power consumption. Is Bonaire better on perf/watt?

For Crysis 2 benchmark:

"650 TI boost" uses about 105watts (on avg).
"7790" uses about 69watts (on avg).

So yes even if you account for the 20% perf. differnce, the perf/watt is higher on the 7790.

Still that doesnt matter.

All that matters is the 7790 can be bought for 149$,
and you cant find a 650 TI Boost for under 169$.

 

[3DVagabond]

http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/launch-analyse-nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti-boost


Nvidia really stuck it to AMD this round.
Nah... J/K, because excellent game bundless / Tomb Raider, Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinite - all 3 must haves, should keep AMD afloat.

At least in theory...:hmm:

So, after a year, they release a card that's better value than the 7850. A heavily underclocked card. All AMD has to do is release a GHz edition of the 7850 and it'll outperform the 650ti boost. With all of the room between the 7770 and 7870 there was no reason for the 7850 to crowd the performance of the 7870 too much. I would say that, with the release of the 650 ti boost, now there is. We'll see if they do anything. Or, maybe just rely on the O/C'ing prowess of the 7850? That would be a mistake, IMO.

 

[Eureka]

So, after a year, they release a card that's better value than the 7850. A heavily underclocked card. All AMD has to do is release a GHz edition of the 7850 and it'll outperform the 650ti boost. With all of the room between the 7770 and 7870 there was no reason for the 7850 to crowd the performance of the 7870 too much. I would say that, with the release of the 650 ti boost, now there is. We'll see if they do anything. Or, maybe just rely on the O/C'ing prowess of the 7850? That would be a mistake, IMO.

There's already little room between the 7850 2gb ($180) and the 7870 ($200)...

Do we need a card at every $10 price point now?

 

[3DVagabond]

Some people dig lower power consumption. Is Bonaire better on perf/watt? Edit: it appears so!

Bonaire's biggest attribute is it's efficiency. We'll hopefully see this continue on with the rest of AMD's refresh products.

 

[3DVagabond]

There's already little room between the 7850 2gb ($180) and the 7870 ($200)...

Do we need a card at every $10 price point now?

Where did I say that?

Here's the situation. nVidia just came out with a new model that gives them a competitive advantage in the $170 price range. That's good for us. It should force AMD to sweeten the pot from their side as well. The simplest response would be to drop the price of the 7850 to match the 650 ti boost and up the clocks to give it a clear performance advantage. We know that the 650 ti boost doesn't have the legs to keep up with the 7850 if AMD doesn't hold back on the clocks so much.

Why, as consumers, wouldn't we welcome this. Instead of taking sides, we should embrace the competition and it's benefits to us. Instead people want one side to win. WTF do we get when one side wins? We get $550 Tahitis and $1000 Titans.

 

[Imouto]

A HD 7850Ghz edition would be virtually tied with the HD 7870Ghz.

 

[Jimzz]

These bundles are a very good idea, but I wonder how much it eats into AMD's margins on the cards.

Not to much I would think. The 7850's use to go for around $140-150ish AR. Now there are few rebates and most are in the $170ish+ range. So they got rid of most rebates and threw in a couple games. Win win for AMD IMO.

I got a 7870 Tahiti based card as the price difference was not enough lower to get a regular 7870 or 7850.

 

[Eureka]

Where did I say that?

Here's the situation. nVidia just came out with a new model that gives them a competitive advantage in the $170 price range. That's good for us. It should force AMD to sweeten the pot from their side as well. The simplest response would be to drop the price of the 7850 to match the 650 ti boost and up the clocks to give it a clear performance advantage. We know that the 650 ti boost doesn't have the legs to keep up with the 7850 if AMD doesn't hold back on the clocks so much.

Why, as consumers, wouldn't we welcome this. Instead of taking sides, we should embrace the competition and it's benefits to us. Instead people want one side to win. WTF do we get when one side wins? We get $550 Tahitis and $1000 Titans.

Who's taking sides? I just think it's kind of ridiculous having another card to add to the line-up when it's already so close... you're the one talking about 7850 Ghz.

I wouldn't mind seeing the 7850 drop to the $150 price point, but the 1gb cards are already kind of there, with one popping up every few weeks or so AR.

Nvidia sorely needed this card as they had no stopgap between the relatively weak 650 Ti and the much better 660. But the 7850 and 7870 are so close that a 7850 Ghz doesn't really do anything besides cannibalize 7870 sales.

 

[3DVagabond]

Who's taking sides? I just think it's kind of ridiculous having another card to add to the line-up when it's already so close... you're the one talking about 7850 Ghz.

I wouldn't mind seeing the 7850 drop to the $150 price point, but the 1gb cards are already kind of there, with one popping up every few weeks or so AR.

Nvidia sorely needed this card as they had no stopgap between the relatively weak 650 Ti and the much better 660. But the 7850 and 7870 are so close that a 7850 Ghz doesn't really do anything besides cannibalize 7870 sales.

7850 1gb are discontinued. No reason to make the 7850 cheaper than the 650 ti boost which are $170 and up. There are already 7850's running @ ~1GHz. Small price and clock adjustment is all that's required and the 7850 will be the better choice. Add the free games as a cherry on top. Certainly nothing to panic about and we consumers win.

Remember the 7850 was $250 and the best value because there was no competition. Good to see nVidia finally go head to head. If it reaches a point where there's no money to be made, then we'll see the new models, hopefully.