The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[DooKey]

No, my initial comment was that, since two new consoles were launching this year, some people would choose them over upgrading if GPUs were prohibitively more expensive for them. Gamers want to play games. The platform they chose to play them on is a value proposition, especially at a time when they are announcing both a new GPU cycle and console generation. Just because you say "you are wrong" doesn't mean you had a point to address.

And the market only cares about gross numbers? What the pants do you think gross numbers are made of? Individual purchases. Like the ones we make. Like the ones we are discussing here. Please tell me what you are adding to the discussion besides a pitiful understanding of economics?

"if the new generation of GPUs is prohibitively expensive, more PC gamers will choose to go to the new console generation launching this year instead of upgrading/building new PCs and you will essentially be shooting your own market size/share right in the face"

What's this quoted comment mean? If you are talking about the mass market you are wrong. If you are talking about enthusiasts you are wrong. The mass market could care less about high end cards and the enthusiast market is too small to matter much in the big picture. MOST gamers play games on mid to low range GPUs.

Of course the market only cares about gross numbers. Until enough individual purchasers add up to make a dent in profits the market/corporation doesn't care. You have no clue about economics do you? Get it through your skull.........the video card market is all about OEM and mass market sales. Enthusiasts are just a side show. NV is killing AMD up and down the product range.

 

[Rvenger]

I hope we dont have to hold the phone while waiting for an answer from AMD...

Or even the next set of magical drivers that actually fix issues.

 

[tviceman]

You mean to tell me Nvidia can release a card nearly 18-24 months after 7970, and beat it? Hold the phone, we've got some blockbuster news here.

OMG U R SO SM8RT.

So do we want to have a more intelligent conversation now? Same node, same generation, AMD failed miserably to keep up with Nvidia. Potentially 3 single gpu cards faster than AMD's fastest, and 1 that will at least tie. AMD may have been over-achieving vs. Nvidia's big dies in the past, or maybe Nvidia was failing to harness their big dies more effectively. Either way, AMD's strategy is starting to come up short. AMD has a BIGGER performance delta to cover to beat gtx780 and Titan (vs. gtx580) when they come out with their 20nm GPU's (assuming they beat Nvidia to market, which yeah I think they probably will). If they make the same percentage leap initially with 20nm that they did initially with 28nm, we'll actually be looking at AMD tying or only being 5-10% faster than Titan. Sure it will be way cheaper, but it will just mean we'll end up having this same conversation about crappy prices and underwhelming next-gen performance that we've been having off and on since January 2012.

 

[Rvenger]

AMD needs to be at least 30% faster than Titan to even compete. I believe AMD will release the hounds with a big die on 20nm, might even be bigger than Titan and it will suck down the juice probably.

 

[tviceman]

AMD needs to be at least 30% faster than Titan to even compete. I believe AMD will release the hounds with a big die on 20nm, might even be bigger than Titan and it will suck down the juice probably.

Would be awesome, but not going to happen. Did you forget they laid off a large portion of their engineers about a year ago? They've gone small die for the past 6 years, nothing at all has been indicated that strategy will change.

 

[f1sherman]

AMD needs to be at least 30% faster than Titan to even compete. I believe AMD will release the hounds with a big die on 20nm, might even be bigger than Titan and it will suck down the juice probably.

They've gone only once over 400mm2. It didn't go well, and doing it again on brand new 20nm... we'll see.

Is their PC base large enough and willing to dish out $500-600?
But we had that situation already with 7970. And actually that's the worst thing it can happen to them - having to fight NVIDIA's mainstream chip with larger, more expensive GPU.

AMD should either enlarge it so that NVIDIA can't counter it with its GKx04, or go back to small lean&mean dies.

 

[tviceman]

Or go back to small lean&mean dies.

I agree with this to an extent.. I think if AMD stuck with a ~300mm^2 die for their top flagship, and used their dual GPU to counter/beat Nvidia's top single GPU (like they did with the 3800 series) that would be the most cost effective way to compete. Assuming, of course, AMD fixes their frame metering issues.

 

[hawtdawg]

AMD got nothing to respond to the GTX 780. Or Titan.

The only thing they can counter with is 20nm or a new architecture. Which won`t be here at until very late this year.

There will be no 20nm anything until spring of 2014 at the earliest. No fab is even planning on having 20nm ready before then. Anything you know about Volcanic Islands is spurred from rumors based on a mock-up of what a 4096sp GCN might look like, by some guy on semiaccurate several months ago.

 

[steviaintheraw]

"if the new generation of GPUs is prohibitively expensive, more PC gamers will choose to go to the new console generation launching this year instead of upgrading/building new PCs and you will essentially be shooting your own market size/share right in the face"

What's this quoted comment mean? If you are talking about the mass market you are wrong. If you are talking about enthusiasts you are wrong. The mass market could care less about high end cards and the enthusiast market is too small to matter much in the big picture. MOST gamers play games on mid to low range GPUs.

Of course the market only cares about gross numbers. Until enough individual purchasers add up to make a dent in profits the market/corporation doesn't care. You have no clue about economics do you? Get it through your skull.........the video card market is all about OEM and mass market sales. Enthusiasts are just a side show. NV is killing AMD up and down the product range.

Oh forget it. It's like talking to a brick that watches Fox News.

I couldn't care less if nvidia beats amd. Do you think you're talking to an amd fanboy or something? It's all just silicon to me man. All I care about is getting the best products out there at reasonable prices. Why does that bother you so much?

 

[blackened23]

Oh forget it. It's like talking to a brick that watches Fox News.

LOL, that sums up their viewership pretty nicely. Old men with little to no attention spans.

 

[Silverforce11]

OMG U R SO SM8RT.

So do we want to have a more intelligent conversation now? Same node, same generation, AMD failed miserably to keep up with Nvidia.

I fail to see how Titan being $1000 means AMD failed to keep up, unless in your world, price is no issue.

And whenever they release Titan LE (780), at what, $700?? That's 10-20% faster than the 7970 Ghz which is going for $400.. that's a fail on who's end? You must be so biased beyond logic if you think that's a fair comparison of products.

So if you think AMD is losing with its hugely superior perf/$, you can enjoy your overpriced NV GPUs.

 

[lopri]

I just wanted to say how entertaining this thread is. And I've only read the first 8 pages so far.

 

[chimaxi83]

I fail to see how Titan being $1000 means AMD failed to keep up, unless in your world, price is no issue.

And whenever they release Titan LE (780), at what, $700?? That's 10-20% faster than the 7970 Ghz which is going for $400.. that's a fail on who's end? You must be so biased beyond logic if you think that's a fair comparison of products.

So if you think AMD is losing with its hugely superior perf/$, you can enjoy your overpriced NV GPUs.

This is exactly the point I was making, but he's so blind and dedicated that he responds with sarcastic bs. Yes it's such a win for Nvidia and their loyalists that they bring cards out 18 months after 7970, which cost more, and are *gasp* faster in games.

How dumb do people have to be to realize that a $1000 Titan or a (possibly) $600-700 GTX780 beating an 18 month old $400 Radeon is NOT the best thing since sliced bread? You'd seriously have more luck teaching logic to cavemen

 

[cusideabelincoln]

I fail to see how Titan being $1000 means AMD failed to keep up, unless in your world, price is no issue.

And whenever they release Titan LE (780), at what, $700?? That's 10-20% faster than the 7970 Ghz which is going for $400.. that's a fail on who's end? You must be so biased beyond logic if you think that's a fair comparison of products.

So if you think AMD is losing with its hugely superior perf/$, you can enjoy your overpriced NV GPUs.

He sounded just like Rollo and Wreckage there.

 

[f1sherman]

He sounded just like Rollo and Wreckage there.

Well he's right! First it was 680, then 690, Titan and now GTX 780. And all AMD has to show is 7970 (OC) GHz.

So yes, he's right.

AMD did fail miserably to keep up with Nvidia.

Any way you look at it. Market share, mindshare, $$, perf, perf/Watt, perf/mm2.
Kepler beat the crap out of GCN.

Sure enough AMD has had perf. crown after GHz was released but what good did it bring?

Having to undercut competition and throwing in AAA games for free - and all that with more expensive, more complex GPU to boot. All this has trickled down via mindshare toward lower segments, so that even excellent Pitcairn being squeezed between 660/660 Ti did not sell all that well.

People here are celebrating AMD for all the things that AMD WOULD BE GLAD to get rid of - free AAA games and perf/$.
And both of these things means less $$ for AMD, less R&D, more cost cutting, less high quality people working etc etc.
Think about that when you go nuts about your superb perf/$$ and great OC-er Tahiti and 4 AAA games for $250.

 

[24601]

So......... where dem reviews?
Its May 23rd now in Eastern and Central USA, 8 minutes and 68 minutes respectively until May 23rd Mountain and Pacific USA.

Was the NDA for noon or midnight?

 

[Xarick]

The real world lives on the west coast so you are going to have to wait.

 

[UaVaj]

So......... where dem reviews?
Its May 23rd now in Eastern and Central USA, 8 minutes and 68 minutes respectively until May 23rd Mountain and Pacific USA.

Was the NDA for noon or midnight?

6am PDT

 

[F4lkon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1_KfVn2tUo

 

[24601]

6am PDT

Guess its a good thing I woke up at 10:30 PM central time then

 

[badb0y]

OMG U R SO SM8RT.

So do we want to have a more intelligent conversation now? Same node, same generation, AMD failed miserably to keep up with Nvidia. Potentially 3 single gpu cards faster than AMD's fastest, and 1 that will at least tie. AMD may have been over-achieving vs. Nvidia's big dies in the past, or maybe Nvidia was failing to harness their big dies more effectively. Either way, AMD's strategy is starting to come up short. AMD has a BIGGER performance delta to cover to beat gtx780 and Titan (vs. gtx580) when they come out with their 20nm GPU's (assuming they beat Nvidia to market, which yeah I think they probably will). If they make the same percentage leap initially with 20nm that they did initially with 28nm, we'll actually be looking at AMD tying or only being 5-10% faster than Titan. Sure it will be way cheaper, but it will just mean we'll end up having this same conversation about crappy prices and underwhelming next-gen performance that we've been having off and on since January 2012.

^Truth

Would be awesome, but not going to happen. Did you forget they laid off a large portion of their engineers about a year ago? They've gone small die for the past 6 years, nothing at all has been indicated that strategy will change.

I hope not, if they pursue the small die strategy they will end up like the way they are on the CPU side, bottom feeders.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I'm calling it now. AMD releases crossfire fix drivers officially to spoil this launch.

 

[wand3r3r]

I doubt it. They've had a lot of time to do it and didn't even time it for their own 7990 launch.

 

[hawtdawg]

I'm calling it now. AMD releases crossfire fix drivers officially to spoil this launch.

This is roughly the timeframe they gave us. I will admit that it will make me seriously reconsider whether or not I get a 780 if AMD were to drop GE prices by 50-75 bucks or so, and release those drivers along with it.

 

[ICDP]

Some of the posts in this thread are face palm worthy.

~1.5 years ago AMD release HD7970 with ~20-25% higher performance and lower price than the top end Nvidia single GPU GTX580 3GB. They claim AMD are fleecing us poor consumers.

Almost 3 months later Nvidia release GTX680 and it is slightly cheaper and slightly faster and it somehow seen as handing AMD its ass on a plate. The fact that it only reigned as top dog card for a few short months is conveniently forgotten.

1-1.5 years after HD 7970 is released and Nvidia release the Titan with ~30% higher performance and ~100% price increase and GTX780 with ~20% higher performance and ~60% price increase. Oooh Nvidia are simply the best and AMD should just give up because they can't compete.

Lets just forget that for the vast majority of the past 18 months AMD had the fastest single GPU available and were competing very well in both price and performance.

At least most people aren't trying to defend the pricing of GTX780. But proclaiming AMD as uncompetitive all of a sudden is pure BS. In fact for the first time in a few GPU generations AMD has been far more competetive than they would normally be.