The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[3DVagabond]

AMD cant justify a 380mm2 GPU for $1000, they also dont have any large die GPU's at all.

The price of the next AMD 8970 is going to be $500-$550 unless AMD wants to be agressive. I think AMD will be first with 20nm but they wont be generous on pricing.

Do you know what they plan for their next flagship chip? I'm figuring they will want to compete in the top of the market, not just concede it to nVidia.

 

[MrK6]

CPI only applies to things like groceries.

Inflation is a truer measure of things like technology.

lol, no, that's not how money works. Please, describe how you would calculate the change in value using "inflation" (The big hint is you'll get the same answer).

Edit: I knew I wasn't that far off even using 3% just off the top of my head. You didn't account for the 10% discount. Account for that and you see that the number is infact $517.31.

I confirmed their numbers with CPI tables just to be safe and they're right. I like my major way too much....

The fact that there's no coupon is an important difference as well, it shouldn't be subtracted from the value. I'm afraid you need to keep studying, CPI is economics 101.

Do you know what they plan for their next flagship chip? I'm figuring they will want to compete in the top of the market, not just concede it to nVidia.

Just because they want to doesn't mean they will. Nvidia's splitting of a compute and gaming chips allows them to make more specialized designs. With AMD's cash problems, it might be some time before they can get enough money for the R&D to do the same.

 

[24601]

lol, no, that's not how money works. Please, describe how you would calculate the change in value using "inflation" (The big hint is you'll get the same answer).

Monetary Supply from time 2 - Monetary Supply from time 1 = Inflation or Deflation.
The fact that the terms Inflation and Deflation have been destroyed purposefully from their original meanings is the most hilarious aspect of this conversation.

http://www.shadowstats.com/charts/monetary-base-money-supply

 

[5150Joker]

Do you know what they plan for their next flagship chip? I'm figuring they will want to compete in the top of the market, not just concede it to nVidia.

They need to fix their Crossfire problems before they can do that. Plus they need a huge cash infusion cuz AMD is broke. AMD will probably retreat from the high end GPU market just like they did with CPUs. They don't have the resources to compete for much longer.

 

[Fx1]

Do you know what they plan for their next flagship chip? I'm figuring they will want to compete in the top of the market, not just concede it to nVidia.

Amd wont produce a huge chip. It costs to much R&D and they dont have the customer base for Tesla size GPU's.

AMD would be better off making a 300mm2 chip that was focused on gamers. Strip it back and get rid of the compute side. Focus on making the drivers the best they can be and fix CF once and for all.

 

[wand3r3r]

They need to fix their Crossfire problems before they can do that. Plus they need a huge cash infusion cuz AMD is broke. AMD will probably retreat from the high end GPU market just like they did with CPUs. They don't have the resources to compete for much longer.

THey've said they will return to profit at the end of this year.

I don't doubt they are low on resources but if they get profitable this year it defeats your little not competing for much longer spiel.

 

[3DVagabond]

They need to fix their Crossfire problems before they can do that. Plus they need a huge cash infusion cuz AMD is broke. AMD will probably retreat from the high end GPU market just like they did with CPUs. They don't have the resources to compete for much longer.

 

[3DVagabond]

Just because they want to doesn't mean they will. Nvidia's splitting of a compute and gaming chips allows them to make more specialized designs. With AMD's cash problems, it might be some time before they can get enough money for the R&D to do the same.

I'm not sure what nVidia splitting their line has to do with AMD not competing on the top end. If anything GCN is better able to fill both rolls simultaneously eliminating the need for separate gaming and compute chips.

 

[5150Joker]

THey've said they will return to profit at the end of this year.

I don't doubt they are low on resources but if they get profitable this year it defeats your little not competing for much longer spiel.

They can say a lot of things, I'll believe it when I see it (a sizable profit, not something tiny like 10 million USD). Right now they are running on fumes.

 

[tential]

The fact that there's no coupon is an important difference as well, it shouldn't be subtracted from the value. I'm afraid you need to keep studying, CPI is economics 101.

The coupon was because of his job. Not a normal coupon you just enter a code in buddy. It wasn't available to the normal consumer so yes you factor it in.

CPI tables is basics economics I agree. Not sure why you're trying to be so smug, I simply stated that there are hundreds of different variations on CPI and that it's not always exactly accurate. CPI index assumes a set bundle of goods. But for example, if a person eat's steak every day, and the price of steak rises, people may substitute for hamburgers. Now, the bundle has changed, but CPI still assumes the bundle is the same. I won't go into the details and just be boring, this is a tech forum and I could go for days on economics since technology is more of a hobby, while for many of you who are engineers it's something you actually care about.

Either way, we all arrive at the same conclusion. Nvidia is pricing it's GPUs at levels above what they used to.
More accurate pricing information to confirm this would be available if we knew data by sector, and by specific sub sector, but well, we don't. Or at least I'm not going to look for it to discuss Finance or Economics on a technology forum and bore myself. Only started reading here again last week or whatever and already see that'd be a waste of time. There's always going to be subconscious value added when talking talking to enthusiasts that isn't inline with what the average consumer would pay.

 

[Silverforce11]

They can say a lot of things, I'll believe it when I see it (a sizable profit, not something tiny like 10 million USD). Right now they are running on fumes.

Coming from you, with the hugely overpriced Titan SLI, I don't think whatever AMD manage to release next at whatever price you would even consider to switch..

And this is why NV can charge whatever they want for a low volume product, because there's enough loyal customers who have no care of the concept of value (perf/$).

@SirPauly, please don't blame AMD for NV raping customers, it doesn't bode well when you clearly know AMD has been offering great value for a long part of 28nm, even moreso with all the bundles.

Out of all you NV loyalists, the only one who voted with their wallet was Balla, with his 7950s. The rest of you are happy to pay overpriced products and are even trying to defend being raped. Welldone to NV's marketing team.

 

[sontin]

You are right. Great value like a 7970 for $549 with no free games and beta drivers for 10months. How could anyone forget that deal.

And sure we can't blame AMD. When the competition is taking a break there is no reason to blame them for nVidia's "price raping".

 

[RussianSensation]

You are right. Great value like a 7970 for $549 with no free games and beta drivers for 10months. How could anyone forget that deal.

That's a smoking deal. Each HD7970 OC made $1.5-3k in 1.5 years bitcoin mining if you flipped at the right times. Even if you didn't sell until today, with 3 7970s, you'd be sitting on a minimum of 4.5K of coins at current rates if you started mining any time from January to June 2012 and didn't stop or sell even once. This is conservative too because in early months the difficulty was low allowing 7970 to make 6-7 coins a month. If you didn't sell, at current rates those early coins made from Jan - Jun 2012 net $600-700 a month!! If you knew what you were doing, with less than 5 cards, you got 10-20 years of free GPU upgrades. HD7970 is the greatest GPU ever made for this reason, period. And before you say anything about people buying GPUs for games, buy 6 cards and mine on 5.

Comparing the price of HD7970 and whining about it makes no sense since for US/Canadian gamers, there were periods in time when the 7970 was clearing $200 in profits per month. For those of you living in Europe with high electricity prices you won't get this point ever. Regardless, even with AMD's less than optimized drivers, HD7970 OC kept up easily with GTX680 and after June 2012, it outperformed it in playability - framerate delivery and latency.

http://techreport.com/review/23150/amd-radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition/11

There were a few games like Skyrim and BF3 that had issues on AMD cards but for the most part, HD7970 OC cleaned up GTX680 in overall playability by June 2012. Of course until this day you keep denying this despite reviews showing this to be the case.

 

[NIGELG]

Coming from you, with the hugely overpriced Titan SLI, I don't think whatever AMD manage to release next at whatever price you would even consider to switch..

And this is why NV can charge whatever they want for a low volume product, because there's enough loyal customers who have no care of the concept of value (perf/$).

@SirPauly, please don't blame AMD for NV raping customers, it doesn't bode well when you clearly know AMD has been offering great value for a long part of 28nm, even moreso with all the bundles.

Out of all you NV loyalists, the only one who voted with their wallet was Balla, with his 7950s. The rest of you are happy to pay overpriced products and are even trying to defend being raped. Welldone to NV's marketing team.

It's not rape if they willingly consent to being abused.

But it's sad to see the hypocrisy of defending these absurdly high prices by some of the same people who raged at the 7970's prices.

 

[wand3r3r]

You are right. Great value like a 7970 for $549 with no free games and beta drivers for 10months. How could anyone forget that deal.

And sure we can't blame AMD. When the competition is taking a break there is no reason to blame them for nVidia's "price raping".

Lol at your absurd claims earlier proclaiming NV even worse price leaps as justified. You just trolled yourself.

 

[sontin]

Lol at your absurd claims earlier proclaiming NV even worse price leaps as justified. You just trolled yourself.

There is no problem with this. AMD increased the prices and nVidia took advantage of it. And now they take a break and we suffer from no competition.

But yet we have people here who ignoring this and still claiming that AMD is not resonsible for todays market condition.

 

[Face2Face]

There is no problem with this. AMD increased the prices and nVidia took advantage of it. And now they take a break and we suffer from no competition.

But yet we have people here who ignoring this and still claiming that AMD is not resonsible for todays market condition.

Isn't the consumer and competition the ultimate say in the market condition? AMD and Nvidia have most always charged a lot for their top end GPU's - AMD charged a lot for the 7970 when it was first released because their was no competition for the fastest Single GPU. Same thing is going to happen with the GTX 780. Both AMD and Nvidia are going to make as much profit as they can and you would to if you were running a public company.

 

[Rvenger]

NCIX CA and US has it listed for $849 (This one is just a placeholder)

http://www.ncix.ca/products/index.php?sku=84056&vpn=03G-P4-2781-KR&manufacture=eVGA

 

[Fx1]

You are right. Great value like a 7970 for $549 with no free games and beta drivers for 10months. How could anyone forget that deal.

And sure we can't blame AMD. When the competition is taking a break there is no reason to blame them for nVidia's "price raping".

You just paid over $1000 for a Titan on an end of life process node.

And you bitch about $550 7970 18 months ago when 28nm was new?

HAHA dude your something else.

 

[sontin]

The problem is: nVidia undercut AMD's overpriced and underperforming card with their mid-range chip which was faster, used less power, had the better reference cooler and was cheaper, too.

At that point it was clear that we will pay a lot for GK110 based graphic cards.
GTX780 and Titan are in a league of their own. And it looks that AMD will not provide competition for at least 4 months.

You just paid over $1000 for a Titan on an end of life process node.

And you bitch about $550 7970 18 months ago when 28nm was new?

HAHA dude your something else.

Haha, 2 1/2 months after the 7970 for $549 people were able to buy a GTX680 for $499.
I'm still waiting for something from AMD which comes even close to my Titan.

 

[Rvenger]

There is no problem with this. AMD increased the prices and nVidia took advantage of it. And now they take a break and we suffer from no competition.

But yet we have people here who ignoring this and still claiming that AMD is not resonsible for todays market condition.

Yeah, Nvidia is rebadging and giving new names and using the same silicon. Why don't you just save your comments until the reviews actually release? No competition blah blah blah, ok man.... I think AMD thinks its a waste to chase after the cash cow NVidia.

 

[Face2Face]

NCIX CA and US has it listed for $849 (This one is just a placeholder)

http://www.ncix.ca/products/index.php?sku=84056&vpn=03G-P4-2781-KR&manufacture=eVGA

Nice. I wonder if Linus will start recommending this? His latest PC build video he recommend a GTX 660Ti over a 7950..? Of course his build was sponsored by Intel

I hope this is just a place holder...

 

[Fx1]

The problem is: nVidia undercut AMD's overpriced and underperforming card with their mid-range chip which was faster, used less power, had the better reference cooler and was cheaper, too.

At that point it was clear that we will pay a lot for GK110 based graphic cards.
GTX780 and Titan are in a league of their own. And it looks that AMD will not provide competition for at least 4 months.



Haha, 2 1/2 months after the 7970 for $549 people were able to buy a GTX680 for $499.
I'm still waiting for something from AMD which comes even close to my Titan.

Im pretty sure 2x7950 owns your Titan at less than half price.

Also no one cares about 50$ between the 7970 and 680 GTX on launch window. Many people would pay that just so they can bitcoin mine. Heck 3 months after launch of any GPU you would see a 50$ decrease,Titan has dropped in the UK more than $50 in less than 2 months.

$100/ £70 off RRP with 10+ in stock of just the ASUS model! -- OOPS! Lots of stock and promotions to push out sales!!!

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showp...___NVIDIA/NVIDIA_GTX_TITAN/GX-303-AS&pup_c=gs

 

[Rvenger]

Haha, 2 1/2 months after the 7970 for $549 people were able to buy a GTX680 for $499.
I'm still waiting for something from AMD which comes even close to my Titan.

BF4 release date is December 31st and the Radeon HD 9970 should be released with the BF4 game. I bet we see it first/second week of December.

 

[sontin]

Yeah, Nvidia is rebadging and giving new names and using the same silicon. Why don't you just save your comments until the reviews actually release? No competition blah blah blah, ok man.... I think AMD thinks its a waste to chase after the cash cow NVidia.

You are absoluty right: Offering competition is a real waste of effort and money.

It's better to let the competition run over you and put your fastest card at the #4 spot. :awe: