The GTX 780, 770, 760 ti Thread *First review leaked $700+?*

[jenneth]

Yeah. I don't mind the $599 price too much as I believe that's how much I paid for my 680, but $750 just seems like too much... especially since it would probably go into an entirely new Haswell-based build! $150 is about the price of a good Z-series motherboard.

When compared to 680/7970/7950, yes, $750 does seem like a bit much, but when you put it against their flagship Titan (which was released just a few months ago) it's really quite competitive.

 

[UaVaj]

at $699.

instead of selling 680sli ($800) for 780sli ($1400). perhap 680tri-sli ($400 / $1200 total) is the better alternative.

 

[wand3r3r]

When compared to 680/7970/7950, yes, $750 does seem like a bit much, but when you put it against their flagship Titan (which was released just a few months ago) it's really quite competitive.

Compared to perhaps the worst valued card and highest priced card ever doesn't justify the price no matter how you try spin that.

 

[jenneth]

Compared to perhaps the worst valued card and highest priced card ever doesn't justify the price no matter how you try spin that.

Oh yeah, I totally agree, but that's nVidia logic for ya...

 

[Cloudfire777]

Compared to perhaps the worst valued card and highest priced card ever doesn't justify the price no matter how you try spin that.

AMDs 7990 is worse. But yeah those two are in their own league
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7990/images/perfdollar.gif'

 

[Grooveriding]

at $699.

instead of selling 680sli ($800) for 780sli ($1400). perhap 680tri-sli ($400 / $1200 total) is the better alternative.

680s actually did hold value decently well. I managed to sell my 680s for $400 each shortly after Titan released. Not bad considering they cost me $500 new. But, after these cards come out, there is no way you are getting $400 for a used 680 any more. Likely will drop to $300 on the used market with a faster brand new 770 with a shiny cooler available for $400.

If anyone has plans to sell their 680 to get one of these, I would be selling them right now today before the new cards are available.

 

[wand3r3r]

AMDs 7990 is worse. But yeah those two are in their own league
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7990/images/perfdollar.gif'

Basically all 3 $1k cards have some pros & cons. The major con being price.

690 - fast, pretty smooth
7990 - raw fps, mining (huge if you like it, minor if not), crossfire issues (prototype looks good but why launch without it...)
titan - single card, less fps

It's still pathetic the latter 2 launched almost a year after the first without any price benefit, actually a price increase for the wait.

 

[xeledon20005]

if this is actually $599 at launch I think may have to pick one up

 

[UaVaj]

680s actually did hold value decently well. I managed to sell my 680s for $400 each shortly after Titan released. Not bad considering they cost me $500 new. But, after these cards come out, there is no way you are getting $400 for a used 680 any more. Likely will drop to $300 on the used market with a faster brand new 770 with a shiny cooler available for $400.

If anyone has plans to sell their 680 to get one of these, I would be selling them right now today before the new cards are available.

the value of the 680 will greatly depend on how much the 780 are going for at launch.



if $649-$699 is the going price for the 780.
used 680 will be still be $400 all day any day.

with this pricing sturcture
680 new = 500 (used 400)
780 new = 700
titan new = 1000

willing to bet - nothing will change. afterall - there is absolutely no competition against nvidia. no competition = no price drop.



at this price point - most of the 780 buyers will be folks who are upgrading from 680 who did not go titain. not a lot of new buyers.

 

[Grooveriding]

How is that going to be possible with a $400 770 that is faster than the 680 ? The 780 pricing will be irrelevant with it at $700, completely different performance and price class.

 

[UaVaj]

How is that going to be possible with a $400 770 that is faster than the 680 ? The 780 pricing will be irrelevant with it at $700, completely different performance and price class.

770 specs looks like a rebadge 680.

if so - expect price to be $500-$550.

 

[Wall Street]

770 specs looks like a rebadge 680.

if so - expect price to be $500-$550.

GTX 470 - $349 at launch
GTX 570 - $349 at launch
GTX 670 - $399 at launch
GTX 770 - $549 at launch?

My marketing sense says no.

 

[toyota]

Dont toss codes in the trash. Go to hardforum and sell them for at least a few bucks.

whoever has some codes can PM me.

it seems odd to put the same cooler on the GK104 770 as on the more power hungry GK110 780 and Titan.

 

[willomz]

A Titan isn't that power hungry, it uses less than a 7970.

Anyway the cooler and quieter the card runs the better, why would you want an inferior cooler?

 

[toyota]

A Titan isn't that power hungry, it uses less than a 7970.

Anyway the cooler and quieter the card runs the better, why would you want an inferior cooler?

way to miss the point. the Titan called for different cooler than the modest one on the 680 because yes it uses much more power than GK104. it seems odd that they would stick that expensive cooler on the GK104 770 too. of course I would want that cooler but again that as supposedly one of the things that made Titan quite pricey. it also seems like the 770 would not even come close to needing that much of cooler if its more than sufficient for Titan.

 

[willomz]

If it costs $399 then I'd be perfectly happy to pay for a superior cooler.

I mean there is a reason that most people opt for non-reference models atm. But if the reference cooler was good you could stick with that.

 

[toyota]

If it costs $399 then I'd be perfectly happy to pay for a superior cooler.

I mean there is a reason that most people opt for non-reference models atm. But if the reference cooler was good you could stick with that.

you still dont get it. of course everyone would be pleased to get the Titan cooler on a cheaper gtx770. how can Nvidia afford to stick an expensive overkill(for GK104) cooler on that level of card though?

 

[willomz]

Do you think it costs any more than a custom cooler does now? No one goes around saying that a Twin Frozr 4 or Direct CUII is expensive overkill for a GTX670.

 

[Rvenger]

Does a Titan really use less power than a 7970?? Last time I checked it was 30-40 watts more than a 680.

 

[UaVaj]

GTX 470 - $349 at launch
GTX 570 - $349 at launch
GTX 670 - $399 at launch
GTX 770 - $549 at launch?

My marketing sense says no.

i do hope you are correct. :whiste:

 

[willomz]

Yeah it is 30-40W more than 680, but a 680 is very efficient compared to a 7970.

 

[toyota]

Do you think it costs any more than a custom cooler does now? No one goes around saying that a Twin Frozr 4 or Direct CUII is expensive overkill for a GTX670.

you are not making any sense. the Titan cooler is supposedly an expensive cooler meant to cool a 250 watt top of the line card. to put that cooler on a 195 watt card costing only 40% of what the Titan does seems like an odd move for Nvidia. you do know what the current 670 coolers look like and even the 680 cooler is pretty modest. so AGAIN it seems ODD that Nvidia would stick there top of the line Titan cooler on a gtx770. now stop trying to argue for the sake of arguing and maybe that will sink in but I doubt it...

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Titan isn't as expensive as the 690, it's got cheaper components but the same look.

 

[Aikouka]

you still dont get it. of course everyone would be pleased to get the Titan cooler on a cheaper gtx770. how can Nvidia afford to stick an expensive overkill(for GK104) cooler on that level of card though?

I'd actually like to see a BOM for some of these cards to see how much certain aspects of them cost, and how much revenue nVidia makes on them. I do realize that there are intangibles that we'll never be able to take into account such as driver expense, marketing costs, etc.

Anyway, onto the cooler! I could see a few good points for using it:

• nVidia may be trying to push higher clocks, but they want to avoid going to open-air coolers or producing a hair dryer like the 4890.
• nVidia may be able to reduce the costs of the fancier cooler by producing more. Typically, by making more of something, you can make it cheaper.
• Since 28nm is a bit more mature, nVidia is paying less money for the chips from TSMC. Although, this may be going toward the price reduction (i.e. 770 = $100 cheaper 680)

 

[toyota]

I'd actually like to see a BOM for some of these cards to see how much certain aspects of them cost, and how much revenue nVidia makes on them. I do realize that there are intangibles that we'll never be able to take into account such as driver expense, marketing costs, etc.

Anyway, onto the cooler! I could see a few good points for using it:

• nVidia may be trying to push higher clocks, but they want to avoid going to open-air coolers or producing a hair dryer like the 4890.
• nVidia may be able to reduce the costs of the fancier cooler by producing more. Typically, by making more of something, you can make it cheaper.
• Since 28nm is a bit more mature, nVidia is paying less money for the chips from TSMC. Although, this may be going toward the price reduction (i.e. 770 = $100 cheaper 680)

that will make the 780 look silly if the 770 can have the same cooler and be able to crank the clocks much higher. even out of the box the 770 will already have much higher clocks if its the 680. and the 680 could already hit well over 1200 mhz in most cases. it just does not add up that they will stick their best cooler thats being used on the Titan onto a mid range chip. I am thinking thats its probably a similar design with smaller heatsink and technically not the exact same.