The Great Post-It-Notes Debate

[sixone]

Your wanna be green stance is a massive fail. Trees are a renewable resource. We actually have more trees now than we did 200 years ago. Now where did I put that post it note pad?

Do we really? Glad to hear it.

 

[MotionMan]

I love people like this. If I was your coworker, what you just said tells me the amount of importance you place on what I have to tell you (you are basically disrespecting me), and you are also incapable of functioning without help from others. Good to know who to trust for future projects.

Wow. You have some real trust issues, huh?

I ask that it be e-mailed to me because I know that I will not remember it, even if I wanted to. Why would I pretend otherwise? I suppose you rather I forget the details of your information or get them wrong?

Another thing I love is when people email or call me to ask to resend them something because "They can't seem to find it." No, you just want someone to act as your secretary, and you didn't even bother to look for it. Go organize your own shit.

I assume this if directed to someone in your past since this does not describe me in any way.

MotionMan

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Today at work I had a disagreement with a co-worker about post-it-notes. I expressed my opinion that I thought post-it-notes were obsolete because you can type reminders in Outlook or use a variety of other programs without needlessly wasting paper. (This is one of those people that use post-it-notes all over their monitor.)

What amazed me is this person got really nasty with me and told me that, that was a stupid thing to say that everyone still uses post-it-notes. I replied that maybe if less people used post-it-notes then maybe we would save a lot more trees. Then they told me that as a friend they advise me not to say such stupid things or people would think I was an idiot but probably wouldn't say it to my face!

LOL I would think you are an idiot and say it to your face. If I am your friend, that is.

But since this is the internets:

You are an idiot!

 

[clamum]

Go fuck yourself OP.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Go fuck yourself OP.

A bit harsh.

But I endorse the sentiment.

 

[midwestfisherman]

Do we really? Glad to hear it.

Yes, really.

 

[feralkid]

Forest area is greater now than it was 100 years ago. There is no "tree shortage". Logging is an industry. Loggers plant 3-5 tress for every one they chop. Outrage not found.

Monoculture tree farms aren't the same as forests. Just saying.

But yes, "pulp" trees are no less sustainable than a corn field.

 

[lxskllr]

Monoculture tree farms aren't the same as forests. Just saying.

But yes, "pulp" trees are no less sustainable than a corn field.

Yea, people like throwing those meaningless numbers out there. Planted trees != habitat. You might as well plant barley in place of old growth forest. It has the same usefulness as a bunch of shitty pines. Not that Post-Its come from old growth trees, but the dubious figure about the number of trees in history is directly related.

 

[Triumph]

Wow. You have some real trust issues, huh?

I ask that it be e-mailed to me because I know that I will not remember it, even if I wanted to. Why would I pretend otherwise? I suppose you rather I forget the details of your information or get them wrong?

MotionMan

So again, you want other people to do something for you because you are incapable? And why can't you just write it down on something, like, I dunno, a post it note?

If you know you have a bad memory, but do nothing to compensate for it other than asking others to do something for you, what does that say about you?

 

[Chaotic42]

I use Post-It-Notes everyday, multiple times, at work.

I use them quite a bit myself. I usually just try to write stuff down in a notebook though. For whatever reason, I don't like reading off of the screen.

 

[MotionMan]

So again, you want other people to do something for you because you are incapable? And why can't you just write it down on something, like, I dunno, a post it note?

Because the information I generally have to receive for my work does not fit on a post-it note. Because the information I generally have to receive in my work can be complicated and requires some precision.

Which make more sense, having someone state the information verbally, me trying to write it all down accurately (and in my crappy handwriting), with me being the only one who possesses a record of the conversation or having the person accurately and completely write it in an e-mail that we can both later refer to?

I am not talking about phone numbers here.

If you know you have a bad memory, but do nothing to compensate for it other than asking others to do something for you, what does that say about you?

It says that I recognize my limitations and are honest with others about it rather than trying to cover it up and end up making avoidable mistakes (i.e. legal malpractice).

MotionMan

 

[Triumph]

if you're talking about volumes of information sure, but if you're talking about someone saying, "Hey can you send me the latest updated document XYZ" and you reply, "Email me or I'll forget," then that is being disrespectful. the thread is about post it notes.

 

[MotionMan]

if you're talking about volumes of information sure, but if you're talking about someone saying, "Hey can you send me the latest updated document XYZ" and you reply, "Email me or I'll forget," then that is being disrespectful. the thread is about post it notes.

LOL - Disrespectful? You are asking me to do something for you. I am telling you that, the best way for me to do that thing for you is to e-mail me.

Is it not more disrespectful for me to lie to you (and myself) and say, "No problem, boss!", then not get it done?

Which is more important to you, not being "disrespected" or getting what you want from me?

MotionMan

 

[GrumpyMan]

It depends on the industry, in the printing industry they are indispensable, a must have.

 

[Triumph]

LOL - Disrespectful? You are asking me to do something for you. I am telling you that, the best way for me to do that thing for you is to e-mail me.

Is it not more disrespectful for me to lie to you (and myself) and say, "No problem, boss!", then not get it done?

Which is more important to you, not being "disrespected" or getting what you want from me?

MotionMan

that was just an example, it could be anything. but it is still a worthwhile example. if i ask you to send me something, and you simply forget about it, it speaks to how much importance you placed on it. if you know you're going to forget about it and don't bother to write it down, that also tells me how important you think i am.

 

[MotionMan]

that was just an example, it could be anything. but it is still a worthwhile example. if i ask you to send me something, and you simply forget about it, it speaks to how much importance you placed on it. if you know you're going to forget about it and don't bother to write it down, that also tells me how important you think i am.

I have 10 people ask me for information or provide me information every day. If I know for a fact that I will not remember all 10 requests or pieces of information, or will not be able to accurately write down all of the information, and I ask the people who are asking for or providing information to put their information or requests in writing to ensure that the information is conveyed accurately (and can be referred to later by both parties involved), you think that is disrespectful?

MotionMan

 

[Triumph]

do you even make an attempt to remember anything? either by memorization or by writing yourself a note? if not, then yes you are being disrespectful to those people. what do you tell your boss? do you tell him that if he wants you to send him Customer ABC's phone number, he has to submit a formal inquiry in writing via email???

 

[shortylickens]

Lulz.
Fucking angry mother fuckers in here! Post-its are stirring up harsh memories or something.

 

[MotionMan]

do you even make an attempt to remember anything? either by memorization or by writing yourself a note?

Yes. And sometimes I succeed.

if not, then yes you are being disrespectful to those people. what do you tell your boss? do you tell him that if he wants you to send him Customer ABC's phone number, he has to submit a formal inquiry in writing via email???

No. But then again, my boss does not bother me for requests for phone numbers since he is more than capable to look up a phone number on his own. Also, my boss has an incredible memory, but he also likes the idea of having a paper-trail of requests as, even he, sometimes needs a written reminder.

You clearly have some control issues as you assume that I do what I do to control people. Quite the contrary - I wish I had the kind of memory that made such steps unnecessary.

You also assume that I do nothing to try and resolve the issue when, again, the contrary is the case. Despite my efforts, I find it is better to be honest with myself and whomever I am dealing with so that nothing gets forgotten.

That being said, maybe your work is so unimportant that going to the effort to follow up with an e-mail does seem ilke a huge waste of effort. In my business, however, when forgetting something can cost a client millions of dollars and can subject you to lawsuits and the loss of your license, I think asking someone to follow up their request in writing is a small thing to ask.

MotionMan