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The Great HDCP Fiasco. even your video card would be obsolete:(

i doubt it will be a problem for people that can afford blu-ray or hd-dvd drives right away. if you dont have those the whole hdcp thing means nothing to you.
 
shady practices always mean something for the consumer. its not right that someone could be spending 500 dollars for a video card now that can play a video stream perfectly fine onlyt o have it crippled by excessive copy protection.

then again the lack of support could be a passve way to undermine the whole hdcp initiative? i dunno, i can only hope.
 
So this means that AGP is officially dead? With no HDCP support for possibly the latest and probably last AGP cards out now, it's even more reason to upgrade to a PCI-e System.
 
This is only assuming you'll be 'upgrading' to Windows Vista. The Linux folks will be gladly sitting around watching digital content on their regular monitors.
 
Originally posted by: OSX
This is only assuming you'll be 'upgrading' to Windows Vista. The Linux folks will be gladly sitting around watching digital content on their regular monitors.
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no. they wont.

if everything doesnt support hdcp, the os, video card & monitor you will be watching 1080p content scaled down just like everyone else.
 
Again the devices enforce it. HDCP requires: a "secure operating system", i.e Windows Vista or Apple OSX running on a Trusted Computing platform, it requires a "secure" graphics card, and a "secure" monitor. At no point will you, the user, have access to the unencrypted signal, the signal is encoded right up until it is displayed on the monitor. Oh and if you want to use Linux or another Free operating system, you're out of luck.
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Apple will be on board too, possibly with the release of Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5). Tiger saw the light of day in April, and with the company intending to release Leopard around the same time as Vista, that means that we'll be seeing HDCP support on the Mac (powered by Intel!) probably around the same time as the release of Windows Vista. And until then, we'll all be scratching our heads as to how our Linux friends will solve this quandary, because HDCP has to be commercially licensed. Well, that is unless DVD Jon swoops in again, but cracking BDA's discs won't be as simple as cracking CSS.
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just from a few google searches for hdcp + linux
 
I read somewhere that HDCP can be added to current video cards by nothing more than a BIOS update... HDCP is nothing more than software keys as I understand it...

UPDATE: Actually read the article...now I am pissed....
 
I read the article and thought "Yeah, so what else is new?"

While some of you may not plan on upgrading to Vista at the end of this year, this is eventually going to affect you if you ever planned on watching hi-def movies on your PC in the future.

I dare say good sized segment of the population does not plan to watch hi-def movies on their PCs. To this date, I can count on one hand the number of movies ala DVD that I've watched on my PC anyway; that's what TVs and couches are made for. I'm sure some folks have wired their PCs into their entertainment centers, I just don't happen to be one of them. Not because I can't, but because I don't want or need to.

As for this whole thing about Vista.. heck, I'm just now getting around to installing XP on my machines(both at home and at work). Windows 2000 Pro has worked just fine for everything I've need it to do - be it gaming or productivity, so I don't see not being able to run Vista(because of HDCP issues) to be any kind of a problem. And again, I dare say a fair segment of the population feels likewise.



 
Originally posted by: networkman
I read the article and thought "Yeah, so what else is new?"

While some of you may not plan on upgrading to Vista at the end of this year, this is eventually going to affect you if you ever planned on watching hi-def movies on your PC in the future.

I dare say good sized segment of the population does not plan to watch hi-def movies on their PCs. To this date, I can count on one hand the number of movies ala DVD that I've watched on my PC anyway; that's what TVs and couches are made for. I'm sure some folks have wired their PCs into their entertainment centers, I just don't happen to be one of them. Not because I can't, but because I don't want or need to.

As for this whole thing about Vista.. heck, I'm just now getting around to installing XP on my machines(both at home and at work). Windows 2000 Pro has worked just fine for everything I've need it to do - be it gaming or productivity, so I don't see not being able to run Vista(because of HDCP issues) to be any kind of a problem. And again, I dare say a fair segment of the population feels likewise.
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anyone that chooses not to go to vista wont be able to play the hdcp protected stuff anyways.

not with win2k, xp or linux.
 
i hope hdcp crashes and burns. This protection crap is becoming rediculous. I believe if you paid for a movie (hd-dvd/bluray) all the fees and whatnot should be with that disc, not through your OS, monitor, GPU.
 
I've been figuring that someting like this would happen around the time Vista gets released. I've suspected that just in time for the new HD-ready Vista MCE boxes, most of the card manufacturers would releasing dual head cards that replace the VGA out with a HDMI out to make it easier for people to use the MCE devices with the newer HDTVs and receivers. This news confirms that we'll be seeing a new batch of Vista-ready cards, and hopefully that means HDMI for all.

Of course, if they DO go HDMI, it does open the door for nVidia to integrate a new version of Soundstorm into the GPU that outputs sound through the HMDI connector. The coolness of that possibility takes away some of the sting.
 
Of course, if they DO go HDMI, it does open the door for nVidia to integrate a new version of Soundstorm into the GPU that outputs sound through the HMDI connector. The coolness of that possibility takes away some of the sting.
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I don't see why they would put one on the card itself, shouldnt it be possible to stream audio over the PCI/PCIe bus to the video card?


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Originally posted by: networkman
I read the article and thought "Yeah, so what else is new?"

While some of you may not plan on upgrading to Vista at the end of this year, this is eventually going to affect you if you ever planned on watching hi-def movies on your PC in the future.

I dare say good sized segment of the population does not plan to watch hi-def movies on their PCs. To this date, I can count on one hand the number of movies ala DVD that I've watched on my PC anyway; that's what TVs and couches are made for. I'm sure some folks have wired their PCs into their entertainment centers, I just don't happen to be one of them. Not because I can't, but because I don't want or need to.
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There are some of us who replaced a DVD STB with an HTPC. I'm one of the growing group, especially since prices are going down and sales are going up on Media Center PCs, I think you're going to find a large amount of people are going to be severely annoyed by the non-ability of their current HTPC/Media Center PCs to play HDDVD, BD or DVR HD content using CableCards.

That article is full of crap, btw. Damn them all to hell, how dare they do that to us? Same with the CableCard device, it really pisses me off how they automatically assume since we want to use a computer to watch content, we're going to steal it. It also pisses me off that I'm going to have to buy a new TV, as well. I hope the suits in hollywood choke on the money they're getting from this.
 
HDCP is here because most of us (including me) has stolen digital property at one point or another. As a pirating society, we've basically asked for this. Think of this as like a small village back in the day, where people could go in and out of any building they wanted. However, a couple of people started stealing stuff, and it continued and continued with more people stealing stuff. So now they had to put locks on all the doors, and now people are pissed. You might ask youself, why are they getting pissed? They brought it upon themselves. Same thing here guys, so quit getting pissed off.
 
Won't bother me. I have a brand new monitor and a brand new video card, and if I have to replace them just to watch certain movies, then I won't buy those movies. No way in the world I would shell out hundreds of dollars more just to be able to watch movies on a PC.
 
Color me unsurprised. One of the major components of HDCP is having _hardware_ keys that you can't just replace (or even look at) on a whim. You can't expect "them" to stay stupid forever, especially not in an era of peer-reviewed cryptographic schemes. Indeed, it's entirely possible they'll actually get it right one of these days - there's no theoretical problem I'm aware that would prevent it.

New video card? Cry me a river. I'm sure that, soon, the video card makers will be selling HDCP-compat entry level cards for $75 that will play 1080p fully accelerated. Even in two years time, $75 is going to be a small fraction of the amount you paid for your fancy new HDTV. Heck, they'll probably even have AC97-esque sound on-board to pipe down their HDMI outputs.

If anything, I'm more annoyed that CableCard setups are going to require certification of some sort. Why not just certify Vista and be done with it? It's not as if HP, Sony, or Dell is adding some kind of special sauce to these setups. (Then again, I really am betting that Newegg and the usual suspects will get the CableCard tuners anyways.)

-Erwos
 
Originally posted by: kranky
Won't bother me. I have a brand new monitor and a brand new video card, and if I have to replace them just to watch certain movies, then I won't buy those movies. No way in the world I would shell out hundreds of dollars more just to be able to watch movies on a PC.
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Considering the quality of the average movie out there these days...you aren't going to be missing much.
 
Originally posted by: Kyanzes
These protections will be obviously hacked/cracked before the official release.
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Exactly. The hackers/crackers who forced manufacturers to add this copy protection in the first place will be hardly impacted at all, whereas Joe Consumer will get screwed out of the true HDTV experience that they just paid for. The sad thing is, most people won't even notice.... they'll just think that their new HD-DVD's are supposed to look like that 🙁
 
Originally posted by: firewolfsm
i'm a little confused, does this mean we just can't watch high def movies or we can't install vista at all?
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vista will work fine. the only thing that wont work is protected content on the new blu-ray or hd-dvd drives.
 
i don't care, vista latest build works fine on my FX5900XT, i will be upgrading to dual core anyway, after vista comes with a PCI-e gfx card

besides, i found that if i don't have HDCP complient Monitor & gfx card, HD-DVD & Blu-ray will still play at 720p, which is good enough for my 17" Monitor, which i don't intend to change anytime soon, even at full screen
 
Originally posted by: gxsaurav
i don't care, vista latest build works fine on my FX5900XT, i will be upgrading to dual core anyway, after vista comes with a PCI-e gfx card

besides, i found that if i don't have HDCP complient Monitor & gfx card, HD-DVD & Blu-ray will still play at 720p, which is good enough for my 17" Monitor, which i don't intend to change anytime soon, even at full screen
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It won't play at 720p. It will play at 420p, making it look exactly as a DVD looks today.
 
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