News The GPU market is imploding

[NTMBK]

Shipments of integrated and discrete graphics processing units dropped to a 10-year low in the third quarter as PC OEMs reduced procurements of CPUs, and gamers lowered their purchases of existing graphics cards while waiting for next-generation products. In contrast, miners ceased to buy graphics boards due to changes that happened to Ethereum. In general, sales of standalone graphics cards for desktops hit a multi-year low.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gpu-market-nosedives-sales-lowest-in-a-decade

Wow, Nvidia picked a great time to launch their extortionately priced 4000 series.

 

[igor_kavinski]

But most of all there is a lack of competition in high end GPU and leading edge chip production.

Some startup needs to reboot gaming where they introduce a GPU that is cheap and yet it can be used in interesting ways to create beautiful games. Kind of like a Raspberry Pi of GPUs.

 

[jpiniero]

it seems that AMD can easily maintain similar prices as last gen per tier.

Oh AMD raised prices. They just raised it less.

 

[dlerious]

Now, AMD card makers need to do another price cut on the 6700 and up. I am not paying over $500 for a 6800XT given the market conditions, with the new gen on the horizon. Drop the price to $450 on any model please and thanks.

Pretty close to $500 on some Asrock cards. They go in and out of stock.

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

 

[JayMX]

Since RDNA2's introduction, its availability has been limited by AMD's lack of volume despite their current reasonable pricing.

I'd be more than happy to become a "console peasant" if you could provide me with a console that has full keyboard and mouse support.

 

[SPBHM]

Since RDNA2's introduction, its availability has been limited by AMD's lack of volume despite their current reasonable pricing.

I'd be more than happy to become a "console peasant" if you could provide me with a console that has full keyboard and mouse support.

if you would be happy with a console something like a 6600xt should be more than enough, no need to go super expensive on the graphics side, unless you want to.

the RTX 4090 is like 4x+ of a PS5 performance tbh (in simpler games, not even considering RT which would be more)

 

[Aapje]

Oh AMD raised prices. They just raised it less.

7900 XTX = 6900 XT = $999

 

[Aapje]

Some startup needs to reboot gaming where they introduce a GPU that is cheap and yet it can be used in interesting ways to create beautiful games. Kind of like a Raspberry Pi of GPUs.

That's called Nintendo.

 

[jpiniero]

7900 XTX = 6900 XT = $999

I doubt AMD expected to sell much of the 6900 XT (well except miners) and AMD itself is saying that the 7900 XTX is not a 4090 competitor. So it's more of a 6800/XT replacement than a 6900 XT one.

 

[igor_kavinski]

That's called Nintendo.

I would say Nintendo is worse than Nvidia. They are the most consumer-unfriendly console maker.

 

[Aapje]

I would say Nintendo is worse than Nvidia. They are the most consumer-unfriendly console maker.

But they do exactly what you said. Their margins on the Switch are great because the hardware is very cheap and yet it sells because they have fun games that have good enough graphics.

 

[Aapje]

I doubt AMD expected to sell much of the 6900 XT (well except miners) and AMD itself is saying that the 7900 XTX is not a 4090 competitor. So it's more of a 6800/XT replacement than a 6900 XT one.

That's not how this works. The 6900 XT wasn't in the price tier of the 3090, which was 50% more expensive at MSRP!

I would argue that it was the 3090 that was really poor value as it was only a little bit faster than the 3080, for over 2 times the cost. The 4090 is much better value and now matches it's MRSP much better, while the 4080 got a huge price increase, so it went to a different tier, and no longer matches that performance.

At $999, the 7900 XTX has below 4080 pricing, but is likely going to have a bit better performance.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I doubt AMD expected to sell much of the 6900 XT (well except miners) and AMD itself is saying that the 7900 XTX is not a 4090 competitor. So it's more of a 6800/XT replacement than a 6900 XT one.

- Better argument to make is on the 7900XT, which is the equivalent of the 6800XT (cut down big die). You have an argument there, but the argument above is just silly.

AMD has not raised the price on it's largest uncut die.

We'll see what happens with N32 and N33, we may see price increases there as well.

 

[maddie]

7900 XTX = 6900 XT = $999

Not only same MSRP but you also get 24 GB vs 16 GB previously. The narrative must be maintained however.

 

[Aapje]

Not only same MSRP but you also get 24 GB vs 16 GB previously. The narrative must be maintained however.

I think that AMD had intended to make the 7900XTX a 4090 competitor and they failed (or underestimated Nvidia). But their pricing reflects that. You get 50% better performance for the same money, which is a good generational uplift. The 4080 is not that at all, at this price. And like I said, the 4090 now merely justifies its halo pricing by giving a significant boost. It's not good value for money.

The 6900 XT was relatively weak for 4k due to the small bus, but the 7900XTX has 384 bits, so should work better at high resolutions. And like you said, you also get a generous 24 GB.

Lots of open questions still, not just about what AMD and Nvidia will bring for the lower tiers (I'm especially curious what the 7700 XT's die will be), but also how much demand will remain and how the companies will react. We may see huge discounts in a year or so if demand drops through the floor.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Now, AMD card makers need to do another price cut on the 6700 and up.

Don't worry, it's coming since I just bought a 6700 XT yesterday

 

[igor_kavinski]

Don't worry, it's coming since I just bought a 6700 XT yesterday

I KNOW what you mean. Owner of shrink-wrappeed 3080 10GB and open box 3060 Ti FE here!

 

[igor_kavinski]

But they do exactly what you said. Their margins on the Switch are great because the hardware is very cheap and yet it sells because they have fun games that have good enough graphics.

We badly need that in the PC space. Maybe Valve has something cooking in their labs.

 

[maddie]

Don't worry, it's coming since I just bought a 6700 XT yesterday

Quickly now, upgrade to a 7900XTX ASAP.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Quickly now, upgrade to a 7900XTX ASAP.

Sorry, only have one kidney left after buying groceries last week.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Pretty close to $500 on some Asrock cards. They go in and out of stock.

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Pretty close to $500 on some Asrock cards. They go in and out of stock.

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Gratitude for trying to help me.

I watch hardware prices fairly closely. I don't do rebates, and IMO even $500 is too much for a 2yr old card with ray tracing performance only equal to the competition's cards a couple of tiers lower. Support for competition is the only reason I'd pay $450. Because the smart move is to wait for RDNA3.

 

[CP5670]

Regarding the thread title, it sure doesn't look that way at the high end. The 4090 sells out in a few seconds when it comes in stock, and goes for huge markups on ebay. It's just like the 3080/3090 at the height of the mining boom two years ago.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Regarding the thread title, it sure doesn't look that way at the high end. The 4090 sells out in a few seconds when it comes in stock, and goes for huge markups on ebay. It's just like the 3080/3090 at the height of the mining boom two years ago.

Bad news, recently, mining on Kaspa has been (barely) profitable the last few days. ($0.50 per GTX 1660 ti, prolly use like $0.28-35 in electric per card.)

 

[maddie]

Regarding the thread title, it sure doesn't look that way at the high end. The 4090 sells out in a few seconds when it comes in stock, and goes for huge markups on ebay. It's just like the 3080/3090 at the height of the mining boom two years ago.

The 4090 is truly a beast card, but no company can survive on the high end gamer solely.

 

[Carfax83]

What the GPU market needs more than anything is a third player and luckily Intel has decided to join the fray. But it will take a few years for them to deliver products worthy of challenging the upper tier graphics cards from Nvidia and AMD.

The Arc A770 has very impressive RT and upscaling capabilities for a first time product. In fact, look at this. The Arc A770 about matches the 6950XT in Spider-Man Miles Morales with RT maxed out at 1440p.

To me that is very encouraging and if Intel plays their cards right, they could conceivably take the crown from Nvidia as they seemingly have a great technological foundation.

If they ever achieve node supremacy again, then the odds will be heavily in their favor.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The 4090 is truly a beast card, but no company can survive on the high end gamer solely.

Probably preaching to the choir, but they dominate the gaming laptop market. I surmise that is a big contributing factor to their increasingly dominant position. I read somewhere they have only shipped like 150,000 40 series cards, not exactly gang buster numbers.