The Government is Criminal

[RichPLS]

Not only has the SCOUS helped the town kick these folks out of their homes.

NOW!

THe city s only going to pay them for the value of the property in 2000, meaning folks cannot afford to replace their homes in the current market.

NOW!!! The city is charging these folks rent for the time period of the appeal of the condemnation.

Obviouly, these yahoos have not been taught that two wrongs don't make a right.


NOW CONSIDER THIS.....

During the process, I would have flat out put the developers on the stand and asked them what the value of the resultant project would be.

Then turn around and say "You have sworn testimony about the potential value of my property. There's no reason I couldn't have developed the property myself and realized that potential value. Fair market value is fair market value, and by law, you must pay fair market value, and this has just been established through what the developer has testified to, under oath, before you all, that the property is worth."

These developers and the local government are complete scum. At the very least they should have offered the current owners a unit (or two) and taxfree living.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: RichPLS
The Emperor definitely needs new clothes. What do you suppose those Supreme Court Justices have on under those black robes?

Such is the effect of liberals put in a position to be judicial supremacists.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: RichPLS
The Emperor definitely needs new clothes. What do you suppose those Supreme Court Justices have on under those black robes?

Such is the effect of liberals put in a position to be judicial supremacists.

While I agree that the SC shouldn't legislate from the bench, the SC has a conservative flavor more than liberal. It took swing voting on this one. Regardless of your partisan rheoritic, the case sucks. Call/Write your "state reps" (NOT IN DC) and get a state law for your state. This needs to stop.

 

[CaptnKirk]

The propper title would be:

"Our government has become an institutional collection of criminals that are out of control, and they don't think that they can be stopped"

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
The propper title would be:

"Our government has become an institutional collection of criminals that are out of control, and they don't think that they can be stopped"

"Drunk with power" is a SEVERE understatement

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Linflas
We get the government we deserve, no more, no less.

No, we get the goverment someone else thinks we deserve. I agree, this is where an equalizer is needed and Winchester is the greatest wqualizer I know of.

Time for some vigilante action because this is nothing more then white collar crime.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Oh please Venkatesh.

We really don't need conspiracy theories.

Geez someone comes in with blanket garbage and gets respect.

Methinks we all get too tired of eachother sometimes and are nicer to a new face. OT wins again.

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" yells the desperate pro-government socialist.

 

[Genx87]

The Government is Criminal

Now that is something I think everybody can agree with!

 

[SagaLore]

Well that just sucks.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: venk
Flat out, no matter what kind of system you setup. Your government will always be criminal, corrupt, and horribly inefficiant.

Remember Eminant Domain?

This is One Story


Here are some cliffs for the lazy

1)City sues for land in 2000 to open hotel for phizer reasearch center
2)City wins in 2005

Now that alone is terrible, but stealing peoples land to give to a company is minor compared to the rest.

3)City Charges homeowners for BACK RENT for 2000-2005 for living in "CITY PROPERTY" and offers Eminant Domain Buyout at 2000 Market Value (thats a hell of a lot of equity to give up).

This quote sums it up pretty nicely:

"An NLDC estimate assessed Dery for $6,100 per month since the takeover, a debt of more than $300K. One of his neighbors, case namesake Susette Kelo, who owns a single-family house with her husband, learned she would owe in the ballpark of 57 grand. "I'd leave here broke," says Kelo. "I wouldn't have a home or any money to get one. I could probably get a large-size refrigerator box and live under the bridge."

The city doesn't just want your tax money, they want ALL OF YOUR MONEY.

Topic Title: The Government is Criminal
Topic Summary: Republican, Democrat, it does not matter

I really don't believe this would've happened under Democrat rule.

It is the Republican Agenda of anything for the almighty buck at the expense of the citizenry that has caused the decline of this Country.

We've always known you were retarded Dave, and now we have proof.

Connecticut is a decidely blue state. Not that you admit to your beloved Democrats ever committing any wrongdoing. John Kerry could break into your house in the middle of the night and repeatedly rape you anally and you'd find a way to blame it on Bush.

:laugh::laugh:

 

[engineereeyore]

Just for your information, something to go along with the great "love" of the justices here.

My father-in-law is an electrical engineer in Washington, D.C. He is in charge of a new renovation project for the office building where the supreme court justices are located. In order to complete the renovation, they asked the justices to temporarily relocate to another building nearby so that the job could be completed over the summer. However, all but two of the justices refused. Therefore, instead of it taking one summer to complete, the renovations will take a total of 4 years to complete because they will have to work around vacation times for the justices. Not only will it take longer, but the job will cost tax payers $40 million dollars more.

When I asked him if this mad him upset, he said, "Yeah, but welcome to Washingotn, D.C. That's how it works around here. It sucks, but that's the way it is."

Always good to know our tax money is doing "good things." 🙂

 

[rahvin]

As a adamant supporter of eminent domain for public use I have to say that I urge everyone to simply take these absues to their state legislatures and bar MPO's, cities and counties from using eminent domain to hand property over to private developers. It's just down right criminal.

 

[RichPLS]

As a adamant supporter of eminent domain for public use

Adamant, huh, sounds like a government employee or something...

Me, as Joe citizen, 1-time imminent domain recipient, and a local land surveyor, I apprehensively support imminent domain depending on the need/project for public use.

It is easier to support when you are not the victim. My family and I have been involved in a case where airport expansion is consuming our late grandfather's home (2,100 sq ft. country house built in the 40's and well maintained) site of 4.5 acres on a public lake/waterway and adjacent to airport. Actually has 250-feet main airport road frontage, and 900-feet of dead end road frontage along with 250-feet of water frontage. He lived their since the late 50's before airport was public.
He was alive when proceeding started in 1993 when he was informed the airport was interested in taking possession of property, and is on notice that imminent domain proceeding were commencing. Other (commercial) land was has sold in 2000 1/2 mile away and also adjacent airport for $110,000 per acre and 10 acres of raw woods was sold to a private developer (this property is not in way of expansion yet, nor on the water).
Grandfather passed in 1994.
It was in 2000 they offered a price for property with one year to move out. Price was $250,000. BTW, that is the price the county tax records show. We had to hire an attorney at our expense and contest this price. We extended the move out till 2005 which we did evacuate.
We are asking $600,000 and trail is scheduled for the end of this year.
We figure that the settlement will be for around $5 or 600,000 but do not know this yet. So far we also have spent $5,000 for attorney costs so far and have provided a current boundary survey and appraisal for $600,000.

I feel that this price was very low considering the location and surroundings.
This is a case where the need is understood, but the offer is very low.
Problem is if you do not have the money yourself to move and live elsewhere, hire an attorney and be able to wait it out, most people would have to take what is offered to survive, since they could not hold out fighting without money.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: venk
Flat out, no matter what kind of system you setup. Your government will always be criminal, corrupt, and horribly inefficiant.

Remember Eminant Domain?

This is One Story


Here are some cliffs for the lazy

1)City sues for land in 2000 to open hotel for phizer reasearch center
2)City wins in 2005

Now that alone is terrible, but stealing peoples land to give to a company is minor compared to the rest.

3)City Charges homeowners for BACK RENT for 2000-2005 for living in "CITY PROPERTY" and offers Eminant Domain Buyout at 2000 Market Value (thats a hell of a lot of equity to give up).

This quote sums it up pretty nicely:

"An NLDC estimate assessed Dery for $6,100 per month since the takeover, a debt of more than $300K. One of his neighbors, case namesake Susette Kelo, who owns a single-family house with her husband, learned she would owe in the ballpark of 57 grand. "I'd leave here broke," says Kelo. "I wouldn't have a home or any money to get one. I could probably get a large-size refrigerator box and live under the bridge."

The city doesn't just want your tax money, they want ALL OF YOUR MONEY.

Topic Title: The Government is Criminal
Topic Summary: Republican, Democrat, it does not matter

I really don't believe this would've happened under Democrat rule.

It is the Republican Agenda of anything for the almighty buck at the expense of the citizenry that has caused the decline of this Country.

You are fvcking retard. Which US Supreme Court Justices allowed this to happened? Thats right the liberal justices. Shut the fvck up.

 

[RichPLS]

Originally posted by: RichPLS

As a adamant supporter of eminent domain for public use

Adamant, huh, sounds like a government employee or something...

Me, as Joe citizen, 1-time imminent domain recipient, and a local land surveyor, I apprehensively support imminent domain depending on the need/project for public use.

It is easier to support when you are not the victim. My family and I have been involved in a case where airport expansion is consuming our late grandfather's home (2,100 sq ft. country house built in the 40's and well maintained) site of 4.5 acres on a public lake/waterway and adjacent to airport. Actually has 250-feet main airport road frontage, and 900-feet of dead end road frontage along with 250-feet of water frontage. He lived their since the late 50's before airport was public.
He was alive when proceeding started in 1993 when he was informed the airport was interested in taking possession of property, and is on notice that imminent domain proceeding were commencing. Other (commercial) land was has sold in 2000 1/2 mile away and also adjacent airport for $110,000 per acre and 10 acres of raw woods was sold to a private developer (this property is not in way of expansion yet, nor on the water).
Grandfather passed in 1994.
It was in 2000 they offered a price for property with one year to move out. Price was $250,000. BTW, that is the price the county tax records show. We had to hire an attorney at our expense and contest this price. We extended the move out till 2005 which we did evacuate.
We are asking $600,000 and trail is scheduled for the end of this year.
We figure that the settlement will be for around $5 or 600,000 but do not know this yet. So far we also have spent $5,000 for attorney costs so far and have provided a current boundary survey and appraisal for $600,000.

I feel that this price was very low considering the location and surroundings.
This is a case where the need is understood, but the offer is very low.
Problem is if you do not have the money yourself to move and live elsewhere, hire an attorney and be able to wait it out, most people would have to take what is offered to survive, since they could not hold out fighting without money.

I doubt this property was acquired for more than $20,000 when purchased in the 50's, at that time the house was only about 1,300 sq. feet instead of the current 2,100. It was in the late 60's he expanded the house.
It also has a well and septic tank. But in the mid 80's this property was incorporated into the city limits and city water was provided, of course then we had to install 900-feet of water line since the city only provided the water main out front, and at homeowners expense, you have to tie into the water main, and this is mandatory, BTW.

 

[scannon]

Here are some cliffs for the lazy

1)City sues for land in 2000 to open hotel for phizer reasearch center
2)City wins in 2005

Now that alone is terrible, but stealing peoples land to give to a company is minor compared to the rest.

3)City Charges homeowners for BACK RENT for 2000-2005 for living in "CITY PROPERTY" and offers Eminant Domain Buyout at 2000 Market Value (thats a hell of a lot of equity to give up).

*********************************************************************

That's what happened to my family that farmed the land for 60+ years (Straight from Switzerland). City was growing and threatened eminent domain if we did not accept there offer. Recieved pennies on property well under market value. Put in a clause to the agreement that they must build a park with our families name.

Should break ground 2007 Walker Regional Park (They decided to make it a complex for softball, baseball, soccer, tennis, etc).

Unjust, Yes! But freedom is not without a price. Just make sure to try and leave a positive mark so other's will remember. Everyone Counts and it can make a difference.

🙂

 

[Moonbeam]

I bet the people that Pfizer employs will be tickled to death.

 

[Moonbeam]

Most of you are a bunch of wide-eyed dreamers who can't deal with reality. You have to break eggs to make an omelet.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: RichPLS
The Emperor definitely needs new clothes. What do you suppose those Supreme Court Justices have on under those black robes?

Such is the effect of liberals put in a position to be judicial supremacists.

While I agree that the SC shouldn't legislate from the bench, the SC has a conservative flavor more than liberal. It took swing voting on this one. Regardless of your partisan rheoritic, the case sucks. Call/Write your "state reps" (NOT IN DC) and get a state law for your state. This needs to stop.

Conservative according to who? It looks pretty well balanced to me; on 1 hand you have conservative rulings like Bush vs Gore and otoh you have those Texas religious rulings.

They are mostly republican appointees as the pubs have held the white house for most of the past 25 years, but many of them are failures and mistakes. Maybe once Bush II is done things will change.

It's too bad anyone who doesn't support the abortion bench legislation is branded as a right winged extremist against womans rights and privacy. :disgust:

 

[Moonbeam]

Reminds me of the story I heard about the Israeli officer removing settlers from their home who is settler himself. "Are you willing to give up your home?", somebody asked. "I'm in the Israeli military", he answered. "I'm willing to die for my country; what is a house?"

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Most of you are a bunch of wide-eyed dreamers who can't deal with reality. You have to break eggs to make an omelet.

Yeah, but who's eggs?

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: RichPLS
Adamant, huh, sounds like a government employee or something...

There is nothing I hate more than someone that quotes a partial sentence.

Although some people might be insulted by being called a government employee I'm certainly not one of them, although I doubt I would work for the government as they don't pay enough.

Originally posted by: RichPLS
It is easier to support when you are not the victim.

There is no "victim". Depending on your local jurisiction the eminent domain laws almost universally favor the price negotiations in the owners favor. The problem is that everyone think's their property is worth more than it actually is on the fair market. I don't doubt that some local cities and municiplaities try to strongarm people but the simple fact is that if you take the time to understand the process it's not difficult to get a fair price and all expenses (including moving expenses) covered. The people that get "screwed" are the ones that don't bother to understand how eminent domain works.

 

[RichPLS]

My case has dragged on for 13 years. When first notice came, they told us in writing we can not sell or develop our own property while they considered possible expansions. No compensation for that, just a cease and dissist order.
Then 10 years later you are offered an amount and told to vacate. You are to take check and leave.
If you do not, they basically tell you fine, do not take the money, but DO LEAVE ANYWAY!
We will schedule you a future court date to discuss amounts.

That is the catch. Most people can not afford to wait, or if you are not smart enough to understand how imminent domain works, you take the cash which is very rarely a price you would sell your property with on your own, and always on the low side.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: RichPLS
My case has dragged on for 13 years. When first notice came, they told us in writing we can not sell or develop our own property while they considered possible expansions. No compensation for that, just a cease and dissist order.

Ha, like they would have a leg to stand on with that. I would love to see them try to enforce that.

Originally posted by: RichPLS
Then 10 years later you are offered an amount and told to vacate. You are to take check and leave.
If you do not, they basically tell you fine, do not take the money, but DO LEAVE ANYWAY!
We will schedule you a future court date to discuss amounts.

Price negotiations come later, but you can ask for damages for moving before payment and you will likely be awarded them!

Originally posted by: RichPLS
That is the catch. Most people can not afford to wait, or if you are not smart enough to understand how imminent domain works, you take the cash which is very rarely a price you would sell your property with on your own, and always on the low side.

You can force the process force and you can ask for damages caused by untimely payment. Ignorance of the eminent domain laws is a problem and governments that abuse it are as well, as I said everyone should petition their state to restrict the use of eminent domain to actual public projects to limit the damage that it causes.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Most of you are a bunch of wide-eyed dreamers who can't deal with reality. You have to break eggs to make an omelet.

Yeah, but who's eggs?

Exactly. Human beings are not chicken eggs.