The Governator Comes Through

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: senseamp

The vetoes include $80 million from child welfare programs; $61 million in county funding to administer Medi-Cal, California's version of Medicaid; $52 million from AIDS prevention and treatment; $50 million to Healthy Families, the low-cost health insurance program for poor children; and $6.2 million more from state parks.

So he's cutting money from disease prevention, preventative care, and recreation, meaning sicker more obese people down the road and much higher costs. How much more nearsighted can you get?

Maybe down the road we will have the money to take care of those people, but right now we don't.


If you cant make your car payment, they come take your car. You think it matters if you now have no way to get to work? Or if you are sick and need a vehicle to get to a Dr. appointment regularly?


If you cant afford something, it has to go.

Ever hear that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure? You cut AIDS prevention, you are going to have to spend many fold down the road on AIDS treatment. A lot more than you would on interest to borrow $50M to pay for AIDS prevention. Also, what do you think is going to happen to those kids whose health coverage is going to be cut? Instead of getting preventative care at a doctor, they are going to go to ERs more sick, go to school sick and get other kids sick, and it will end up costing a lot more overall with everyone being worse off as a result.

google the "CHIPS program"
google the "WIC program"
google "federal aids prevention programs"
google "federal medicare"

paying for some again at a state level that is already available via federal sources is stupid... welcome to CA politics... the home of the fiscally retarded.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: senseamp

The vetoes include $80 million from child welfare programs; $61 million in county funding to administer Medi-Cal, California's version of Medicaid; $52 million from AIDS prevention and treatment; $50 million to Healthy Families, the low-cost health insurance program for poor children; and $6.2 million more from state parks.

So he's cutting money from disease prevention, preventative care, and recreation, meaning sicker more obese people down the road and much higher costs. How much more nearsighted can you get?

Maybe down the road we will have the money to take care of those people, but right now we don't.


If you cant make your car payment, they come take your car. You think it matters if you now have no way to get to work? Or if you are sick and need a vehicle to get to a Dr. appointment regularly?


If you cant afford something, it has to go.

Ever hear that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure? You cut AIDS prevention, you are going to have to spend many fold down the road on AIDS treatment. A lot more than you would on interest to borrow $50M to pay for AIDS prevention. Also, what do you think is going to happen to those kids whose health coverage is going to be cut? Instead of getting preventative care at a doctor, they are going to go to ERs more sick, go to school sick and get other kids sick, and it will end up costing a lot more overall with everyone being worse off as a result.

google the "CHIPS program"
google the "WIC program"
google "federal aids prevention programs"
google "federal medicare"

paying for some again at a state level that is already available via federal sources is stupid... welcome to CA politics... the home of the fiscally retarded.

It's nice to see supporters of federal government taking over state government duties chime in.

Do you support CHIPS?
Do you support WIC?
Do you support federal aids prevention programs?
Do you support federal medicare?

Are you aware that a lot of these programs are federal MATCHING grants that require states to put up some of their own money to get federal funds?

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: senseamp

The vetoes include $80 million from child welfare programs; $61 million in county funding to administer Medi-Cal, California's version of Medicaid; $52 million from AIDS prevention and treatment; $50 million to Healthy Families, the low-cost health insurance program for poor children; and $6.2 million more from state parks.

So he's cutting money from disease prevention, preventative care, and recreation, meaning sicker more obese people down the road and much higher costs. How much more nearsighted can you get?

Come off it... those programs don't put a dent in those overall problems and the budget cuts only put a dent in those programs. Morevoer, there are numerous federal programs which provide duplicate coverage in many of these instances: fed medicare, the CHIP program, WIC, etc.

Arnie himself sounds like he doesn't what was done but these cuts had to be made somewhere. So where else should he cut... from education? law enforcement? energy initiatives? Environmental initiatives? Infrastructure spending?

Most importantly... CA is in 'all hell is breaking loose' crisis mode. Arnie more or less pushed for cuts with the least negative impact on the CA economy.

Or are you simply basking him because he has a R as his political affiliation? Be honest with yourself here.

I voted for that buffoon, but now it's time to recall his butt.
I wouldn't care about his R problem if he wasn't a nearsighted moron.

 

[babylon5]

California = USA on a smaller scale, except it doesnt' have a money printer

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I voted for that buffoon, but now it's time to recall his butt.
I wouldn't care about his R problem if he wasn't a nearsighted moron.

Had the Legaslature done their job properly, he would not have to had made this last set of cuts.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: senseamp
I voted for that buffoon, but now it's time to recall his butt.
I wouldn't care about his R problem if he wasn't a nearsighted moron.

Had the Legaslature done their job properly, he would not have to had made this last set of cuts.

Legislature did its job properly. This is just Arnie adding a few more cuts to vulnerable populations without big lobbying efforts to add money to rainy day fund. Of course that rainy day fund and then some will be wiped out by the hidden costs of these "savings"
Time for Total Recall.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: senseamp
I voted for that buffoon, but now it's time to recall his butt.
I wouldn't care about his R problem if he wasn't a nearsighted moron.

Had the Legaslature done their job properly, he would not have to had made this last set of cuts.

Legislature did its job properly. This is just Arnie adding a few more cuts to vulnerable populations without big lobbying efforts to add money to rainy day fund. Of course that rainy day fund and then some will be wiped out by the hidden costs of these "savings"
Time for Total Recall.

The rainy day fund is needed for emergencies. It had already been raided by the smoke & mirrors over the past couple of years. CA has nothing to cover itself.

 

[Corporate Thug]

I wonder if the local counties are going to sue the state like they said they would.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

There's a lot of stuff that needs to be cut, and to complain over the AIDS thing is ridiculous. We cut education, prison staff, medical staff, blah blah blah, pay cuts etc etc. A LOT of things have been cut. You could make the argument that all these things are important.

Maybe AIDS prevention is such a killer in CA, but I didn't realize it. I thought being in the bottom 5 for education and infrastructure are more concerning issues because honestly, I don't see AIDS wiping out the rest of CA in the coming decade. It might be an issue, but to me education and infrastructure are far more important. Having graduated from the UC system I can tell you our higher education desperately needs more funding too. Just this weekend I wanted to go to the library to wait for my gf who worked till 11. WTF. I used to work in the library in the summer. What the hell is with the 5pm closing time now? Pathetic.

The fact is when the state is short on money you have to make cuts. IF it weren't for this crisis, we wouldn't have to cut AIDS prevention which you seem to want to fight for till your death. No one's arguing that prevention is not a good thing, but cutting this one program to ME isn't going to kill the state. Unless you have analysis showing that with this cut 80% of CA residents will die of AIDS, don't go crying to me about how this is a killer.

 

[sapiens74]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
I wonder if the local counties are going to sue the state like they said they would.

With what money?

 

[OrByte]

I think WIC, Healthy Familes, and CHIPS get Fed money to match state money.

cutting those programs might mean cutting Fed money. I could be wrong.

Give it a few months, Cali is still in a bad financial mess, revenues will still drop.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
There's a lot of stuff that needs to be cut, and to complain over the AIDS thing is ridiculous. We cut education, prison staff, medical staff, blah blah blah, pay cuts etc etc. A LOT of things have been cut. You could make the argument that all these things are important.

Maybe AIDS prevention is such a killer in CA, but I didn't realize it. I thought being in the bottom 5 for education and infrastructure are more concerning issues because honestly, I don't see AIDS wiping out the rest of CA in the coming decade. It might be an issue, but to me education and infrastructure are far more important. Having graduated from the UC system I can tell you our higher education desperately needs more funding too. Just this weekend I wanted to go to the library to wait for my gf who worked till 11. WTF. I used to work in the library in the summer. What the hell is with the 5pm closing time now? Pathetic.

The fact is when the state is short on money you have to make cuts. IF it weren't for this crisis, we wouldn't have to cut AIDS prevention which you seem to want to fight for till your death. No one's arguing that prevention is not a good thing, but cutting this one program to ME isn't going to kill the state. Unless you have analysis showing that with this cut 80% of CA residents will die of AIDS, don't go crying to me about how this is a killer.

I am looking at it as a taxpayer. Nothing special about AIDS prevention, except that AIDS prevention is just stupid to cut on cost to benefit analysis. How much does it cost to treat an AIDS patient for life? How much drag is it on the economy and productivity? Compare that to how much prevention $50M can buy in terms of education, testing, condom distribution, etc.
UC system funding needs to be cut more. I don't see why we need to pay for some hippies to major in psychology. Seriously, if the occupation you are studying is worthwhile, it's a good investment to borrow money to pay for that education. If it's not, it's not worth the state paying for it either. Plus most private universities give aid based on financial need. I don't see why UC system needs to subsidize everyone just because they are state residents, even if they have money to pay for it out of pocket or through loans.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: sapiens74

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
I wonder if the local counties are going to sue the state like they said they would.

With what money?

And what money are they going to sue to get?

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sapiens74

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
I wonder if the local counties are going to sue the state like they said they would.

With what money?

And what money are they going to sue to get?

I think state is raiding their money.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: sapiens74

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
I wonder if the local counties are going to sue the state like they said they would.

With what money?

And what money are they going to sue to get?

The budget was built using money's that belonged to the cities and counties obligated by the state and/or passed through the state from the Feds.

In one funding issue, the state collects sales taxes that are supposed to get passed back to the cities/counties. Now they are not going to do so. They state that next year, the moneys may come back - but then state will not be able to balance even using smoke/mirros next year, and the localities are short funded this year.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: senseamp

The vetoes include $80 million from child welfare programs; $61 million in county funding to administer Medi-Cal, California's version of Medicaid; $52 million from AIDS prevention and treatment; $50 million to Healthy Families, the low-cost health insurance program for poor children; and $6.2 million more from state parks.

So he's cutting money from disease prevention, preventative care, and recreation, meaning sicker more obese people down the road and much higher costs. How much more nearsighted can you get?

Come off it... those programs don't put a dent in those overall problems and the budget cuts only put a dent in those programs. Morevoer, there are numerous federal programs which provide duplicate coverage in many of these instances: fed medicare, the CHIP program, WIC, etc.

Arnie himself sounds like he doesn't what was done but these cuts had to be made somewhere. So where else should he cut... from education? law enforcement? energy initiatives? Environmental initiatives? Infrastructure spending?

Most importantly... CA is in 'all hell is breaking loose' crisis mode. Arnie more or less pushed for cuts with the least negative impact on the CA economy.

Or are you simply basking him because he has a R as his political affiliation? Be honest with yourself here.

I voted for that buffoon, but now it's time to recall his butt.
I wouldn't care about his R problem if he wasn't a nearsighted moron.

Fair enough... I totally understand where you are coming from.

All things considered though, I don't think Arnie is the problem.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: DLeRium
There's a lot of stuff that needs to be cut, and to complain over the AIDS thing is ridiculous. We cut education, prison staff, medical staff, blah blah blah, pay cuts etc etc. A LOT of things have been cut. You could make the argument that all these things are important.

Maybe AIDS prevention is such a killer in CA, but I didn't realize it. I thought being in the bottom 5 for education and infrastructure are more concerning issues because honestly, I don't see AIDS wiping out the rest of CA in the coming decade. It might be an issue, but to me education and infrastructure are far more important. Having graduated from the UC system I can tell you our higher education desperately needs more funding too. Just this weekend I wanted to go to the library to wait for my gf who worked till 11. WTF. I used to work in the library in the summer. What the hell is with the 5pm closing time now? Pathetic.

The fact is when the state is short on money you have to make cuts. IF it weren't for this crisis, we wouldn't have to cut AIDS prevention which you seem to want to fight for till your death. No one's arguing that prevention is not a good thing, but cutting this one program to ME isn't going to kill the state. Unless you have analysis showing that with this cut 80% of CA residents will die of AIDS, don't go crying to me about how this is a killer.

I am looking at it as a taxpayer. Nothing special about AIDS prevention, except that AIDS prevention is just stupid to cut on cost to benefit analysis. How much does it cost to treat an AIDS patient for life? How much drag is it on the economy and productivity? Compare that to how much prevention $50M can buy in terms of education, testing, condom distribution, etc.
UC system funding needs to be cut more. I don't see why we need to pay for some hippies to major in psychology. Seriously, if the occupation you are studying is worthwhile, it's a good investment to borrow money to pay for that education. If it's not, it's not worth the state paying for it either. Plus most private universities give aid based on financial need. I don't see why UC system needs to subsidize everyone just because they are state residents, even if they have money to pay for it out of pocket or through loans.

I don't live in CA anymore but hell, I'd much rather 50 mil go to higher education than 50 mil worth of condoms and STD tests.

Now i understand the necessity of providing some of those AIDS prevention measures because, when it comes to drugs and sex a lot of people are capable of controlling themselves. And it looks like in our increasingly socialist society taxes are gonna pay for anybody to get medical treatment no matter what... so yeah, spending money to reduce our future costs is always good as long as it 'pays' to do so.

But i think it is pretty questionable as to how much value 50 million in condoms, education, and free testing really gets us.