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THE FUTURE! Your right to drive a car, denied.

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unokitty said:
Apple co-founder on artificial intelligence: ‘The future is scary and very bad for people’

In an interview with the Australian Financial Review, Wozniak joined original club members Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking and Elon Musk by making his own casually apocalyptic warning about machines superseding the human race.

"Like people including Stephen Hawking and Elon Musk have predicted, I agree that the future is scary and very bad for people," Wozniak said. "If we build these devices to take care of everything for us, eventually they'll think faster than us and they'll get rid of the slow humans to run companies more efficiently."

... Musk was among the earliest members of this club. Speaking at the MIT aeronautics and astronautics department’s Centennial Symposium in October, the Tesla founder said: "With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon. In all those stories where there’s the guy with the pentagram and the holy water, it’s like, yeah, he’s sure he can control the demon. Didn't work out."
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Some smart people making dark predictions...

Uno
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This always assumes that the machines will have ambitions that are comparable to ours. They might be perfectly ok with caring for human pets.

If they do make plans, maybe they don't mind being patient. Looking at the history of life on this planet, many species have a pretty short stay. They might be content to wait until we naturally go away. Or maybe they'd be content in going elsewhere in the Solar System. Data compresses, stores, and transports much more easily than delicate organic life forms do.


Our species is prone to violent attempts to dominate everything in sight. Maybe the AIs we make won't be the same way.
Or maybe we can just show them Reddit once and hope they stay preoccupied there.

Or, parents always hope that their children will grow up to be better, smarter, faster, etc etc. These offspring will meet those goals. They just won't share our genetic lineage.
 
Will I even have to be in my Auto Car? I'm looking forward to having the car take my dog to the vet for me, sending the car to pick up a hooker or the stuff from Costco I just ordered online, or hauling a bunch of my crap somewhere while I fly instead.
 
Humpy said:
Will I even have to be in my Auto Car? I'm looking forward to having the car take my dog to the vet for me, sending the car to pick up a hooker or the stuff from Costco I just ordered online, or hauling a bunch of my crap somewhere while I fly instead.
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:hmm: I wonder what this will do to UPS and FedEx. Business will decrease a bit, and then the remaining trucks will drive themselves around while the worker sits in the back and chucks packages at houses without stopping.
 
Jeff7 said:
:hmm: I wonder what this will do to UPS and FedEx. Business will decrease a bit, and then the remaining trucks will drive themselves around while the worker sits in the back and chucks packages at houses without stopping.
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What happened to farm equipment suppliers when the tractor came around? They either adapted, reorganized, or faded away.
 
Ruptga said:
What happened to farm equipment suppliers when the tractor came around? They either adapted, reorganized, or faded away.
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It sure reduced the need for workers though. Of course, that's the same case in any industry where automation is introduced.

But yeah, some companies get dragged in kicking and screaming, others resort to aggressive lobbying, and some just don't survive at all.

Or how about taxicab drivers? 😱
Though I guess you'd still need a babysitter for the oversize children customers, otherwise you'll always be sitting down in a slurry of various bodily fluids.


I'm also involved a bit with the parking industry. That will be interesting. "Car, go park yourself somewhere. I'll call you when I need to be picked up, but it should be close to 5:30 tonight." It'd be space-efficient, too, as there's no need to allow room on the sides for anyone to get in or out.
or
"Car, go back home and take the kids to school."


"Car, go home and let the dog chase you for awhile. He needs the exercise."




Phase 2: Equip the things with a Mr Fusion reactor so that they can generate enough heat to keep their sensors deiced up in the frozen northern wastelands on the edge of the Great Lakes.
 
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Phokus said:
It makes zero economic sense to own a car when self driving cars becomes a reality.
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you can't assume on demand robot car rental would be financially sound. i mean, as of right now you can call a taxi and not operate a car yourself. not only is the price alarming, but supply is always short of demand in peak usage.

even if i didn't want to drive, i'd certainly want my own car available when i want it, with all of my own possessions and none of anyone else's filth.

how many millions will lose their jobs once self-driving cars are embraced by business?

taxis, busses, trucks, small deliveries just to begin with. then all the jobs that go into supporting people driving cars, like gas stations and repair shops with drastically reduced income.

economic disaster, while insurance companies laugh their way to the bank.
 
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Phokus said:
It makes zero economic sense to own a car when self driving cars becomes a reality.
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long as its not illegal. my cars make no economic sense but driving is the high-lite of my work day 99% of the time, and my cars get 19 mpg on a good day off premium gas. I drive cause its fun.
 
The Boston Dangler said:
you can't assume on demand robot car rental would be financially sound. i mean, as of right now you can call a taxi and not operate a car yourself. not only is the price alarming, but supply is always short of demand in peak usage.

even if i didn't want to drive, i'd certainly want my own car available when i want it, with all of my own possessions and none of anyone else's filth.

how many millions will lose their jobs once self-driving cars are embraced by business?

taxis, busses, trucks, small deliveries just to begin with. then all the jobs that go into supporting people driving cars, like gas stations and repair shops with drastically reduced income.

economic disaster, while insurance companies laugh their way to the bank.
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If it all transitions at once, sure. If it's gradual, no.

Any kind of automation will "cost" jobs at some point.

Old assembly line

Robotic assembly line



Old computers (yes, that was once a job title)

Processor capable of replacing many human computers.
It looks like typical processors these days are capable of dozens of gigaFLOPS, with high-end GPUs well into the hundreds of gigaFLOPS. So I suppose that means you've got the computing power of the entire human species, several times over, in your home PC? No wonder unemployment is so high. 😀
 
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SSSnail said:
First of all, driving is a privilege. As it is, too many people shouldn't be driving already. But yeah, your OP is full of shit.
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Motion carried.

And cannot agree more emphatically that most should not be allowed to operate a motor vehicle. Too lazy to even use your blinkers, the most basic of visual cues for what you are doing. The sooner that bunch are out of the driver's seat the better. And I get even more annoyed with more serious infractions.
 
Captante said:
My uncle has a country place that no one knows about ....
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Jumpem said:
I don't see how autonomous vehicles will handle winter road conditions.
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The earliest versions? Probably not so well. Later models will handle it better than humans.

Every decision you would have made, a bot can be programed to follow the same logical reasoning.
 
Jaskalas said:
The earliest versions? Probably not so well. Later models will handle it better than humans.

Every decision you would have made, a bot can be programed to follow the same logical reasoning.
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Probably a topographical map with "nope" in spots where cars had slid in the near past. The more nopes the more a certain lane or road is avoided.

Icey bridge nope nope nope nope'd out of there.
 
Considering the government keeps trying to regulate everything and remove rights these days, I could see it eventually happen.
 
pontifex said:
this will never happen in our lifetime
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I think that it will. Self driving cars will likely start out as an expensive feature on luxury cars, but it will quickly become a standard feature as the cost of the equipment comes down. Once that occurs, the US government will probably require all new cars to have auto drive much like they require safety features like airbags and antilock brakes now.

At that point, the days of "classic" self driving cars will be numbered. Once 90% of the cars on the road are self driving, it will only require a few well publicized "senseless tragedies" of drivers in older cars killing people in car accidents to pass laws to get the remaining 10% off the road. You can still own them in your car collection, but good luck getting the registration renewed without some sort of auto drive retrofit.
 
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