Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Originally posted by: Aelius
Why not kick out the current robber barrons that are running the country slowly into the ground?
That would be a nice first step in solving a lot of your problems as a nation. Not that Canada is any better off.
-Eliminate the Federal Reserve
-Get your gold back from the Fed that are holding it illegally
-Hold accountable all owners of the Fed under the RICO Act: including politicians and the Fed's leadership both past and resent going back to the late 60s. Everyone else respondible is probably dead
-Use the gold as backing on a real US currency and not a fiat currency you got now
-Also hold under the RICO Act the leadership at the IRS going back also to the late 60s that have knowing violated the Constitution including the 4th Amendment
-Throw out the IRS Tax Code and have it re-written properly with no loopholes for the ultra rich that pay virtually nothing (The 16th Amendment founded the "charitable foundations" that are tax free yet allow full control of the disposition of funds)
-Trash the 16th Amendment as it is illegal anyway (never ratified properly and some evidence suggests the federal government reversed at least some state votes in favor of the bill) and its execution ends up violating the 4th Amendment
Oh and in case anyone is wondering the income tax in the US does NOT stand up in a court of law except when: the jury listens only to what a judge tells them to do (thereby allowing him to violate the jury's rights) or the judge won't allow supreme court rullings to be heard in the case (which by the way shoot the tax law and 16th Amendment down).
You just saved yourself 800+ billion a year at the very least
Oh one last thing:
-seize the trillions of dollars laundered by the central banks in this racket and give it back to the people where it rightly belongs
Edit: Wouldn't it be nice to be able to invest in your future and grow more financially stable and indipendant if you had that extra 10-40 +/- % more they tax you on?
I'm sorry but your ideas for the most part are completely wrong. The Gold Standard was a horrible period for all nations. It was marked by horrible bouts of deflation with some bouts of inflation. The reason for the stable economy of the last 25 years is the stable growth in the money supply.
There is a reason we got off of the Gold Standard. We could NOT maintain it. When we tried to keep a stable money supply in the 1920s with the Gold Standard, one of the major results was the Great Depression. Looking at the Gold Standard world at that time, shortly after countries got off of the Gold Standard, they started recovering.
The Federal Reserve has been a major force in keeping our economy stable over the last 25 years. Removing it would more than likely lead to the situation we had before the Fed that was marked by bank crises every few years. Other countries that had central banks during that time never experienced bank crises.
The 16th Amendment did not create an income tax. The Supreme Court had already ruled that an income tax was constitutional but the way they had gone about it previously was unconstitutional. The argument that the 16th Amendment wasn't passed is complete BS by the way.
The Great Depression was primarily caused by the Fed yanking the money supply. It turned, what at this point was a recession, into the great depression. Some protection.
I think the primary reason was the lack of cash available for wars. Under a Gold Standard you are limited in printing money by how much gold you have on hand to back up what you print. Under no Gold Standard there is no limit to how much money you can print. Enter the central banks aka Federal Reserve banks. With a no limit ATM you can start as many wars as you like and let the middle and lower class population pay for it for generations to come. Only they one upped it by charging so much for the interest that it's impossible to pay it off.
I think I'll take a banking crises every few years over getting bent over for every day for the rest of my natural life as well as my children and their children's children etc.
You are correct about the 16th Amendment not creating an income tax. SCOTUS ruled that the 16th Amendment does not grant the government any new powers of taxation. Period. It further defined this in several other rulings including that your income is your property. That same ruling clearly defines that corporate taxation is legal.
As for the argument that it wasn't passed is BS is correct. Nowhere did I state that it wasn't passed. I said that it was passed illegally. It was illegal because it did not have enough states sign to ratify it. Even if you ignore the possible vote tempering that's enough to scrap it.
Even if you ignored ALL of this you still wouldn't have to pay income tax. Why? Because it states clearly in the IRS Tax Code that compliance is voluntary. State law usually states that you must comply with federal law in regards to income tax. It doesn't matter which one they are charged under as neither states that you must pay income tax. It's voluntary compliance.
The reason they can't outright tell you to pay income tax and the reason why the word "income" is not defined ANYWHERE in the IRS Tax Code is because:
It would be clearly written and could be clearly compared to the Constitution and SCOTUS rulings already in force on the subject of "income" when it concerns the 16th Amendment. Thereby making it that much harder to get people to comply with paying taxes.
So why are you paying income tax? Because it is under the threat of a gun. Because if you don't they will take your house, your business and take your bank accounts. Making it impossible for you to fight them in court unless you do it yourself.
The income tax law has already been shot down in court.
One more thing. We keep saying "law". Technically there is NO LAW concerning income tax. Period.
EDIT: By the way when the income tax "law", or lack thereof, was shot down in court there wans't a peep in the big media. Probably because the owners of central banks have been buying up much of the media in the US for decades. If you will insist I will dig out the case for you where it was shot down, but it will have to be tomorrow... need sleep.
