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The French Gov't's desire for American failure

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syzygy

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a nice op-ed piece in the ny times presents another persuasive case to explain french behavior over the past year. how sweet for these french peaceniks not to hide their ulterior motivations and save our fair-minded leftists the effort of including them in their conspiracy theories.

the french hid nothing. typical gaulic haughhtiness, thinking our quislings wouldn't notice
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'france is becoming our enemy'

a juicy excerpt:

If you add up how France behaved in the run-up to the Iraq war (making it impossible for the Security Council to put a real ultimatum to Saddam Hussein that might have avoided a war), and if you look at how France behaved during the war (when its foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin, refused to answer the question of whether he wanted Saddam or America to win in Iraq), and if you watch how France is behaving today (demanding some kind of loopy symbolic transfer of Iraqi sovereignty to some kind of hastily thrown together Iraqi provisional government, with the rest of Iraq's transition to democracy to be overseen more by a divided U.N. than by America), then there is only one conclusion one can draw: France wants America to fail in Iraq.
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Originally posted by: syzygy
a nice op-ed piece in the ny times presents another persuasive case to explain french behavior over the past year. how sweet for these french peaceniks not to hide their ulterior motivations and save our fair-minded leftists the effort of including them in their conspiracy theories.

the french hid nothing. typical gaulic haughhtiness, thinking our quislings wouldn't notice
rolleye.gif


'france is becoming our enemy'

a juicy excerpt:

If you add up how France behaved in the run-up to the Iraq war (making it impossible for the Security Council to put a real ultimatum to Saddam Hussein that might have avoided a war), and if you look at how France behaved during the war (when its foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin, refused to answer the question of whether he wanted Saddam or America to win in Iraq), and if you watch how France is behaving today (demanding some kind of loopy symbolic transfer of Iraqi sovereignty to some kind of hastily thrown together Iraqi provisional government, with the rest of Iraq's transition to democracy to be overseen more by a divided U.N. than by America), then there is only one conclusion one can draw: France wants America to fail in Iraq.
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Hey they aren't the only ones,it seems that a good portion of the Iraqi's want us to fail too. Damn it, why don't they realize that the US (especially the Neo Cons) knows what's best for them
 
Originally posted by: kaizersose
that the NY times says this surprises me, I always thought THEY wanted us to fail in iraq
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The fact they are a little more moderate than FoxNEWS does not mean they want "US to fail in iraq".
 
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: kaizersose
that the NY times says this surprises me, I always thought THEY wanted us to fail in iraq
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The fact they are a little more moderate than FoxNEWS does not mean they want "US to fail in iraq".
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the new york times is not a moderate newspaper. their editorials are a guide to modern liberal causes.
 
Originally posted by: kaizersose
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: kaizersose
that the NY times says this surprises me, I always thought THEY wanted us to fail in iraq
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The fact they are a little more moderate than FoxNEWS does not mean they want "US to fail in iraq".
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the new york times is not a moderate newspaper. their editorials are a guide to modern liberal causes.
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I've seen editorials expressing a broad range of views.
 
<-------- just waiting for the next headline that suggests the french are hiding iraqs wmds as well as iraqs wmd program.
 
Rightwingers think the National Review, WorldNetDaily, Fox are all moderate 😉 So anything left of those are San Francisco Liberals.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Rightwingers think the National Review, WorldNetDaily, Fox are all moderate 😉 So anything left of those are San Francisco Liberals.
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Far right wingers may think that but people like me😉 know what angle these people have.
Unfortunately it is the left that doesn't see the media bias😉 NYT, NBC, BBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, PMSNBC, NPR....just to name a few.😀

CkG
 
demanding some kind of loopy symbolic transfer of Iraqi sovereignty to some kind of hastily thrown together Iraqi provisional government, with the rest of Iraq's transition to democracy to be overseen more by a divided U.N. than by America),
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So instead the US developed a loopy provisional authority, replaced it with a secretive/isolated provisional authority, and then hastily threw together a council of Iraqis . . . including Iraqis that haven't been in the country since Elvis left for Mars.

Last time I checked the UN was primarily divided by US actions (you are either with us or with the terrorists). As of late, most UN positions come down to almost everybody in the world on one side and the US plus tokens on the other. Outside of Basra (which was primarily managed by the Brits), the greatest success in transitioning to local (somewhat democratic rule) has occurred through local initiative NOT US actions.
 
Not that I love American Policy at the current time, does anyone else find it ironic how the most unstable democracy in the world, France (maybe not the most), is lecturing us on democracy.
 
Bush has strengthened the French arguement. France has always thought of itself the way the US thinks of itself, but at one time no one took the French seriously. Bush came, made France look like a genious, now Europe will look to France for leadership. France is what the US should be, a civilized, wise, and cautious Power, not the reckless, clueless, and rush into a mess that the Bush Admin has made of the US.
 
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Rightwingers think the National Review, WorldNetDaily, Fox are all moderate 😉 So anything left of those are San Francisco Liberals.
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Far right wingers may think that but people like me😉 know what angle these people have.
Unfortunately it is the left that doesn't see the media bias😉 NYT, NBC, BBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, PMSNBC, NPR....just to name a few.😀

CkG
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Two words: Scarborough country.
Your so called "biased" PMSNBC gives a Republican congressman his own show to spew unadulterated right wing propaganda and push GOP party line for a whole hour in the primetime. Of course they claim it's balanced because "his best friends are democrats" 😉
 
I am going to give you guys a hint. Neither France, Germany, Russia, etc give a cr@p about who rules Iraq as long as they are making money. In fact they would like an anti-US regime in Iraq so that they don't have to compete with the US for the business.
Saddam never did anything to the French, Germans or Russians, except send billions in trade their way. Now if you have a partner who a. never did anything to you, and b. you make money off, why would you want someone who comes in to take that partner out to succeed?
 
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bush has strengthened the French arguement. France has always thought of itself the way the US thinks of itself, but at one time no one took the French seriously. Bush came, made France look like a genious, now Europe will look to France for leadership. France is what the US should be, a civilized, wise, and cautious Power, not the reckless, clueless, and rush into a mess that the Bush Admin has made of the US.
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with 7 revolutions (changes in government) in the past 100 or so years (may be 150).
 
Originally posted by: User1001
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bush has strengthened the French arguement. France has always thought of itself the way the US thinks of itself, but at one time no one took the French seriously. Bush came, made France look like a genious, now Europe will look to France for leadership. France is what the US should be, a civilized, wise, and cautious Power, not the reckless, clueless, and rush into a mess that the Bush Admin has made of the US.
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with 7 revolutions (changes in government) in the past 100 or so years (may be 150).
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eh?
 
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: User1001
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bush has strengthened the French arguement. France has always thought of itself the way the US thinks of itself, but at one time no one took the French seriously. Bush came, made France look like a genious, now Europe will look to France for leadership. France is what the US should be, a civilized, wise, and cautious Power, not the reckless, clueless, and rush into a mess that the Bush Admin has made of the US.
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with 7 revolutions (changes in government) in the past 100 or so years (may be 150).
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eh?
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Did you skip world history?
 
I desire an American failure and I'm a US citizen. An American failure = Bush administration failure.

If it's all about politics for the Bush administration, why should I be held to a different standard.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: User1001
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bush has strengthened the French arguement. France has always thought of itself the way the US thinks of itself, but at one time no one took the French seriously. Bush came, made France look like a genious, now Europe will look to France for leadership. France is what the US should be, a civilized, wise, and cautious Power, not the reckless, clueless, and rush into a mess that the Bush Admin has made of the US.
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with 7 revolutions (changes in government) in the past 100 or so years (may be 150).
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eh?
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Did you skip world history?
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I skipped French History, care to enlighten me? Besides, what difference is there in how many "revolutions" France may have had?
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I am going to give you guys a hint. Neither France, Germany, Russia, etc give a cr@p about who rules Iraq as long as they are making money. In fact they would like an anti-US regime in Iraq so that they don't have to compete with the US for the business.
Saddam never did anything to the French, Germans or Russians, except send billions in trade their way. Now if you have a partner who a. never did anything to you, and b. you make money off, why would you want someone who comes in to take that partner out to succeed?
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sandorski, i am in full agreement with you for once. france, germany and russia looked over all of saddam's abuses and opposed the war because they had highly lucrative contracts to buy/sell/develop iraqi oil. why do you think france wants us to get out of there so fast?
 
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