The Fox News /MSNBC Implosion

[First]

MSNBC is just as bad, that's very true. I vomit listening to Olbermann because the dude spends so much time on frivolous crap, and really just goes overboard with the invective. The thing with Fox, though, starts and stops with the Fair and Balanced claim. Can't claim that when you're top show (O'Reilly Factor) has Dick Morris, Newt Gingrich, and Karl Rove as default analysts who get airtime at about a 10:1 ratio in comparison to liberal analysts. Can't claim Fair and Balanced when Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malikin, and a former Republican congressman have comprised 90% of the stand-ins for O'Reilly in nearly a decade of being on the air.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Anyone remember watching the MSM on election day 1994???

The looks on their faces when they announced that the Republicans had taken over congress was pretty amazing. Like someone had just cancelled Christmas.

Everyone expects Obama to win so I don't think we will see implosion if he does win. But if McCain pulls the upset watch for a lot of hateful comments and a lot of "racist voters" type comments.

I think Peter Jennings comment was something about the American people throwing a "tantrum" when that happened.

 

[351Cleveland]

So many of you projecting your own biases on the subject... I dont know if Pew Research has a leaning or not, but they did study this subject:

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1011/color-of-news-coverage

I didnt read it... I looked at the graphs. When you consider how Fox covered McCain and Obama, there was a remarkable equality... if not an advantage to Obama. Their graphs look nearly identical. Compare that to the difference in coverage by MSNBC... not even close.

MSNBC is not long for this world. I think FoxNews will thrive in an Obama presidency, especially with the Fairness Doctrine looming large in the near future.

 

[nageov3t]

MSNBC has some serious problem, not the least of which are ratings, but there are also some significant fractures and bickering between MSNBC and NBC news that boiled to the surface during the convention coverage, if anyone remembers the on-air blowouts.

 

[PokerGuy]

I might actually be driven back to watching Fox for the first time in years. I couldn't stand watching fox for years because it was just a mouthpiece for the administration. Now MSNBC and most of the media will take over that role, and fox will be the only place you can hear an opposing view.

 

[Testify]

Comcast already dropped MSNBC from my channel lineup. Only get 2 CNN and Fox now.

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Carmen813
and it's gonna be *great*.

Now I personally prefer MSNBC, but that's because I'm a liberal elitist socialist marxist muslim terrorist celebrity supporting democrat. (Did I miss any?)

Anyone else plan on watching the network opposite the winner to see what happens?

Baby-killing, you forgot that one.

Damn it, I tried so hard to follow all of McCain's attacks too...I mean, I had to be educated about who I was voting for by someone!

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I don't care, all I know is that Rachel Maddow = I'd hit it. Even if she is gay.

She is ugly as fuck, are you crazy?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I don't care, all I know is that Rachel Maddow = I'd hit it. Even if she is gay.

She is ugly as fuck, are you crazy?

Nope, I think she's cute.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
So many of you projecting your own biases on the subject... I dont know if Pew Research has a leaning or not, but they did study this subject:

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1011/color-of-news-coverage

I didnt read it... I looked at the graphs. When you consider how Fox covered McCain and Obama, there was a remarkable equality... if not an advantage to Obama. Their graphs look nearly identical. Compare that to the difference in coverage by MSNBC... not even close.

MSNBC is not long for this world. I think FoxNews will thrive in an Obama presidency, especially with the Fairness Doctrine looming large in the near future.

There will be no fairness doctrine, period. I think the problem with what you're saying is that it is based on the false assumption that both campaigns were equally deserving of positive coverage. To say that McCain and Obama were equally deserving of good press coverage strains credulity.

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I don't care, all I know is that Rachel Maddow = I'd hit it. Even if she is gay.

She is ugly as fuck, are you crazy?

Nope, I think she's cute.

She should grow out her hair.

 

[Baked]

The brunette Obama girl on CNN right now is pretty hot.

LOL CNN got Joe the plumber on the phone trying to piss him off, asking him why he cares so much about Obama's tax plan for rich people when Joe doesn't even make that much money. Then Joe tell the guy, why don't you look that up in the book!

 

[Pens1566]

Uh ... last I heard MSNBC was now beating Fox News in prime time ratings ..... both Olbermann and Maddow have been ahead of O'Reilly for several weeks now.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I personally like Joe Scarborough. He represents what is good about some politicians.

He is someone that isn't afraid to state his beliefs, admit when he is wrong and willing to listen to the other side even if he doesn't agree with them in the end.

I like Joe too.
Very entertaining and informative programme

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

There will be no fairness doctrine, period. I think the problem with what you're saying is that it is based on the false assumption that both campaigns were equally deserving of positive coverage. To say that McCain and Obama were equally deserving of good press coverage strains credulity.

Of course, as seen from an Obama supporter. I'm sure a McCain supporter would hold the opposite view. That's why the media should not be in the business of selecting their favorites and chearleading, which is exactly what happened this election cycle.

I listen to NPR regularly. The coverage most days was like this. "We now go to Bob Smith, covering McCain. <insert 10 second McCain clip here>. Bob, tell us why you disagree with what he just said in that ten second clip". "Silvia is covering the Obama camp. Lets listen to a 1 minute outtake of Obama's wonderful speech yesterday. Silvia, can you explain to us how Obama just keeps coming out with all these great things to say?"

Most other outlets were the same, every day and night. In the face of such media coverage, McCain had no choice but to try shock/negative tactics, the media removed the other options from the table by electing Obama.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: owensdj
Fox favors McCain and MSNBC favors Obama. The difference is that Fox is much more "mean spirited" about it.

have you ever watched olbermann?

 

[DrewSG3]

I actually like Olbermann, yeah he's a crazy liberal, but at least he's funny about it.

Faux Noise just take themselves too seriously

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Uh ... last I heard MSNBC was now beating Fox News in prime time ratings ..... both Olbermann and Maddow have been ahead of O'Reilly for several weeks now.

Huh? That is a complete false statement. Go research before posting pwease.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: owensdj
Fox favors McCain and MSNBC favors Obama. The difference is that Fox is much more "mean spirited" about it.

have you ever watched olbermann?

It matters not... its a talking point because Fox News doesnt prescribe to the liberal bias of the rest of the media... or at least not as much. Hell, their coverage of Obama was marginially more favorable than that of McCain... so much for being a "right wing mouth piece."

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
So many of you projecting your own biases on the subject... I dont know if Pew Research has a leaning or not, but they did study this subject:

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1011/color-of-news-coverage

I didnt read it... I looked at the graphs. When you consider how Fox covered McCain and Obama, there was a remarkable equality... if not an advantage to Obama. Their graphs look nearly identical. Compare that to the difference in coverage by MSNBC... not even close.

MSNBC is not long for this world. I think FoxNews will thrive in an Obama presidency, especially with the Fairness Doctrine looming large in the near future.

There will be no fairness doctrine, period. I think the problem with what you're saying is that it is based on the false assumption that both campaigns were equally deserving of positive coverage. To say that McCain and Obama were equally deserving of good press coverage strains credulity.

And that would be your OPINION. That said, you cannot tell me that the coverage offered by MSNBC is "fair" based on your definition of "fair" either. Their graphs are stupid slanted... there is no question that they arent even in teh same neighborhood as fair.

I am not saying it... Pew Research is saying it. I think their measurement is flawed in that they compare to the media average... which I would argue is skewed liberal aka favorable to Obama. The fact that the coverage was damn near EQUAL and actually slightly in Obama's favor... nobody else even came close to that kind of parity.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: Testify
Comcast already dropped MSNBC from my channel lineup. Only get 2 CNN and Fox now.

Damn... I may have to move back to them then!


Juuuuuust kidding Verizon. Fix my router and we are good

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Fox will slash its wrists, but after those numbers showing how biased MSNBC is, it's just as bad as fox except on the other side of the spectrum and thus is no better at all.

If you actually watch Fox News *outside* of O'Reilly & Hannity, they are pretty much level minded. Hell, even O'Reilly has been anticipating an Obama victory for a couple weeks now. Hannity too, even though he's a firm believer in Reagonomics, he is prepared to accept the results either way.

MSNBC is more biased for Obama than Fox is for McCain, but can't really comment on any of them as I never watch them.

The only one I fear will blow up is Jon Stewart if McCain could pull it out. He will absolutely flip his lid.

 

[tweaker2]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Uh ... last I heard MSNBC was now beating Fox News in prime time ratings ..... both Olbermann and Maddow have been ahead of O'Reilly for several weeks now.

Huh? That is a complete false statement. Go research before posting pwease.

I just heard Olberman bragging to O'Reilly on air last night about his and Maddow's ratings beating O'Reilly's.

 

[nageov3t]

isn't Maddow up against Hannity?

I thought it was something like Larry King => Maddow < Hannity

O'Reilly seems to pretty consistently beat Olbermann in overall viewership, but KO seems to have a tiny edge in the 25-54 demo:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/cate...ews/oreillyvsolbermann

http://tvbythenumbers.com/wp-c...yolbermann-550x440.gif

 

[AFMatt]

I watch both, and can see why so many Dems think Fox is biased. Seriously, has NBC/MSNBC ever said anything negative about Obama? You turn the channel and see something negative on him....BAM! that channel is BIASED!

Fox would spend more time talking about McCain's shady past if he had more of one, and you know it. Seriously, even Dems have to admit McCain doesn't have a whole lot of controversy to make news of. Fox spends most their time slamming him on his weak campaign, while praising Obama for running a great one.

Didn't a study come out recently that showed channels like MSNBC being overwhelimingly Obama biased, while Fox was a near split?

It doesn't matter anyway, I feel anyone who makes their decision based on what they see on these news channels is not making an educated decision. Could be worse, oh wait, it is... They just showed a woman at the booth who's major factor for picking Obama was his race.