The "fourth Estate" member survey

[CADsortaGUY]

Survey Finds Angst-Strained Wretches in the Fourth Estate

Pew Survey Finds Moderates, Liberals Dominate News Outlets

Watch-dogs? Attack-dogs? Lap-dogs?

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

original bump

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I wonder why this is being ignored. Oh wait...I know...:roll:

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I wonder why this is being ignored. Oh wait...I know...:roll:

CkG

Probably because it isn't news.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I wonder why this is being ignored. Oh wait...I know...:roll:

CkG

Probably because it isn't news.

You're right - it isn't "new" news. Some of us have seen this for quite some time, this pretty much cements the issue.🙂

I'm sure most will try to take this thread off subject with little snipes here and there or just ignore this thread completely, but that's OK- it's expected😉.

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I wonder why this is being ignored. Oh wait...I know...:roll:

CkG

Probably because it isn't news.

You're right - it isn't "new" news. Some of us have seen this for quite some time, this pretty much cements the issue.🙂

I'm sure most will try to take this thread off subject with little snipes here and there or just ignore this thread completely, but that's OK- it's expected😉.

CkG

So this is just a troll thread to elicit flames? Seems so as your comments are just inviting this type of reaction.

 

[bozack]

in the post as well....

like I said in past threads, many liberals openly admit that there is a blatant liberal bias in the media, especially with reporters and editors wheras the owners are conservative, it is only on groups such as this that libs cannot deal with reality (a dirty word for them).

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So this is just a troll thread to elicit flames? Seems so as your comments are just inviting this type of reaction.

c-mon Red, are you meaning to tell me that you are all for censorship on ATPN? I mean if Conjur can post his drivel all day long why should Cad be slammed?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So this is just a troll thread to elicit flames? Seems so as your comments are just inviting this type of reaction.

:roll: No. If you wish to discuss the findings or the topic it discusses then I'm fine with that discussion. I'm not sure however, why you think this isn't "news". There are many points brought out by both of the links provided that can be discussed.

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So this is just a troll thread to elicit flames? Seems so as your comments are just inviting this type of reaction.

:roll: No. If you wish to discuss the findings or the topic it discusses then I'm fine with that discussion. I'm not sure however, why you think this isn't "news". There are many points brought out by both of the links provided that can be discussed.

CkG

It's not the topic I question, it's the comments you posted that amount to no more than throwing down the gauntlet to those who might not agree with you. Hell you started insulting them before they even made a post LOL🙂

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So this is just a troll thread to elicit flames? Seems so as your comments are just inviting this type of reaction.

:roll: No. If you wish to discuss the findings or the topic it discusses then I'm fine with that discussion. I'm not sure however, why you think this isn't "news". There are many points brought out by both of the links provided that can be discussed.

CkG

It's not the topic I question, it's the comments you posted that amount to no more than throwing down the gauntlet to those who might not agree with you. Hell you started insulting them before they even made a post LOL🙂

Hmmm - been almost a day and a half and no comments. ...I wonder why. Do you, Red Dawn, have anything you wish to discuss about the topic?

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

So this is just a troll thread to elicit flames? Seems so as your comments are just inviting this type of reaction.

:roll: No. If you wish to discuss the findings or the topic it discusses then I'm fine with that discussion. I'm not sure however, why you think this isn't "news". There are many points brought out by both of the links provided that can be discussed.

CkG

It's not the topic I question, it's the comments you posted that amount to no more than throwing down the gauntlet to those who might not agree with you. Hell you started insulting them before they even made a post LOL🙂

Hmmm - been almost a day and a half and no comments. ...I wonder why. Do you, Red Dawn, have anything you wish to discuss about the topic?

CkG

OK, I wonder why more Conservatives don't get into the business of News Broadcasting?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

OK, I wonder why more Conservatives don't get into the business of News Broadcasting?

7% right now consider themselves "Conservative" - that is up from 5% last time. There could be issues however because of ideology that may prevent them from doing such. Lets just take a look at one of the findings.

31 percent of national journalists now have a great deal of confidence in the public's election choices, compared with 52 percent at the end of the Clinton administration. The clear implication is that many media people feel superior to their customers.

Now If I were a journalist I'm sure I'd get sick of seeing the inner workings of such an elitist type of group.

CkG

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

OK, I wonder why more Conservatives don't get into the business of News Broadcasting?

7% right now consider themselves "Conservative" - that is up from 5% last time. There could be issues however because of ideology that may prevent them from doing such. Lets just take a look at one of the findings.

31 percent of national journalists now have a great deal of confidence in the public's election choices, compared with 52 percent at the end of the Clinton administration. The clear implication is that many media people feel superior to their customers.

Now If I were a journalist I'm sure I'd get sick of seeing the inner workings of such an elitist type of group.

CkG

Funny that you mention elitist.

Zephyr

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

OK, I wonder why more Conservatives don't get into the business of News Broadcasting?

7% right now consider themselves "Conservative" - that is up from 5% last time. There could be issues however because of ideology that may prevent them from doing such. Lets just take a look at one of the findings.

31 percent of national journalists now have a great deal of confidence in the public's election choices, compared with 52 percent at the end of the Clinton administration. The clear implication is that many media people feel superior to their customers.

Now If I were a journalist I'm sure I'd get sick of seeing the inner workings of such an elitist type of group.

CkG

Funny that you mention elitist.

Zephyr

The finding sure do suggest such a conclusion - no?

CkG

 

[leeboy]

Funny how EVERY "liberal" media outlet.. my local news channels, Fox, Cnn, MSNBS STILLLLLLL after all this time whenever they get ready to talk about today's happenings in Iraq all lead off with the graphics:

"The War on Terror".

Terror in Iraq? Terrorists? The Iraqi invasion is still the war on Terror?

 

[Red Dawn]

Actually watching the News Programs on Fox has made me realize how single minded the Right is. Those 3 Nitwits on Fox and Friends and that Meathead Hannity constantly apologizing for the Dub and leveling viritol at anyone who criticizes him and his Administration without once acknowledging that some of their critiques were spot on demonstated perfectly thhat they were not interested in the truth, only in advancing their political agenda.

Sure Franken and his ilk are just as bad but I never listen to them. I do listen to O'Riely and though he too can be an apologist at times at least he will call a spade a spade even if it is those on the right. Him and Caputo are the only two personalities on that Network that can and should be taken seriously. The rest are a bunch of talking heads who don't even pretend to be "Fair and Balanced"

 

[Moonbeam]

The media reports what is in the newspapers, basically and the newspaper of record is the New Your Times. The NYT cheer-lead the nation into the Iraq invasion by reporting on WMD and other pro war stories without sufficiently checking their accuracy and burying any retractions amendments that later proved those stories wrong. They also fed us Chalabi garbage raw and without attribution. They did so because they are a for profit corporate entity more interested in scoops and avoiding the wrath of a vindictive administration, that is to say, the bottom line, than accuracy in reporting. Their corporate profit driven emphasis turned them into right winged stooges and helped this nation attempt to commit Hari Kira in Iraq. The editors and reporters that engaged in this should be fired.

 

[lozina]

In his mission to try and prove his outlandish notion that the media is liberal-dominated, CAD will rely on anything, even surveys of select 500-some journalists!

You need me to elaborate on that? Well, let me put it to you this way: Who is the worst US president ever?

The real problem though, is what exactly is liberal media like? Has CAD ever seen liberal media? If all CAD has been reading or watching is CNN and Fox News, I guess it's appropriate for him to call CNN 'liberal', since that's the furthest left he's ever been. Well here's some advice CAD, go pick up a copy of "The Nation" magazine. Read it. Tell me what you think. Then watch CNN. Now tell me, how does CNN fall on this scale of right/left bias...

 

[alchemize]

I would hypothesize that most of those who answered "moderate":

a) Really know they are liberals, but understood it was a poll that would be publicized, and being media savvy, lied
b) Are moderate like conjur 🙂 Too blind to see how liberal they are, or don't like the tag, so call themselves moderate.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: lozina
In his mission to try and prove his outlandish notion that the media is liberal-dominated, CAD will rely on anything, even surveys of select 500-some journalists!

You need me to elaborate on that? Well, let me put it to you this way: Who is the worst US president ever?

The real problem though, is what exactly is liberal media like? Has CAD ever seen liberal media? If all CAD has been reading or watching is CNN and Fox News, I guess it's appropriate for him to call CNN 'liberal', since that's the furthest left he's ever been. Well here's some advice CAD, go pick up a copy of "The Nation" magazine. Read it. Tell me what you think. Then watch CNN. Now tell me, how does CNN fall on this scale of right/left bias...

Hehe, you are trying to dismiss the survey? Go ahead, I'd love to see why you easily dismiss this survey.

CkG

 

[Infohawk]

One reason this thread might be ignored is because you are known as a bleat maestro. It's not interesting to post with you when you "cut and run" when the going gets tough. Instead of addressing issues, you issue irrelevant quips. You are good for at max one or two semi-relevant posts (even then it's usually a quip). And of course you are also good for a eye-roll, which is worth nothing. This is not about you being conservative or liberal, it's about you not "staying the course."

 

[irwincur]

I would hypothesize that most of those who answered "moderate":

It is well known that most 'moderates' are not even close. It amazes me that so many liberals fear being called liberal and will hide in shame behind the moderate moniker. Where is the pride in ones convictions, I don't mind it when I am called a Conservative, nor do I try to hide my beliefs.

Oh, I know why... it's because most liberals are such crack pots that if they come out as liberals they know that immediatly 90% of the nation will discount anything they say or do.



About the media. Hmm, big surprise. However, something like this was needed so this argument once and for all could be finished. It amazes me that there are still some people out there that do not get it. THE MEDIA IS LIBERAL AS HELL.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: lozina
In his mission to try and prove his outlandish notion that the media is liberal-dominated, CAD will rely on anything, even surveys of select 500-some journalists!

You need me to elaborate on that? Well, let me put it to you this way: Who is the worst US president ever?

The real problem though, is what exactly is liberal media like? Has CAD ever seen liberal media? If all CAD has been reading or watching is CNN and Fox News, I guess it's appropriate for him to call CNN 'liberal', since that's the furthest left he's ever been. Well here's some advice CAD, go pick up a copy of "The Nation" magazine. Read it. Tell me what you think. Then watch CNN. Now tell me, how does CNN fall on this scale of right/left bias...

Hehe, you are trying to dismiss the survey? Go ahead, I'd love to see why you easily dismiss this survey.

CkG

your survey does nothing for your quest, CAD, and you're losing your credibility by pointing to stuff like this as some sort of 'evidence' that the media is liberal biased.

The most glaring problem is your survey takes the personal opinion of individual journalists. This has nothing to do with the content the news organization itself produces. You may find 500-some military personell in the army now who are anti-war, so does that mean the army itself is anti-war? You're trying to tie the results of this survey to something totally irrelevent, which is why you are only mocking yourself. If you wanted to try and prove something about journalist's private lives, you may be on to something.

Recap: Journalists don't decide what news gets broadcast, the board of directors, editors, ceos- they are the ones who make that decision. In some cases where journalists ignore those strict rules, they get fired.

But the biggest problem with CAD's quest is he's is trying to tell us an orange tastes like grapes, even though he never tried grapes! Before you comment on news outlet's idealogy, maybe you should try the different varieties first so you know what they all taste like, hmm ?

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I would hypothesize that most of those who answered "moderate":

a) Really know they are liberals, but understood it was a poll that would be publicized, and being media savvy, lied
b) Are moderate like conjur 🙂 Too blind to see how liberal they are, or don't like the tag, so call themselves moderate.

That's a great hypothesis supporting by nothing but pungent air. I can just as easily hypothesize the ones who answered "moderate" are actually extreme conservatives, while the ones who answered "liberal" are actually conservative.