The Florida Voter Laws worked

[emperus]

It worked in disenfranchising legally registered voters, some who waited 5 hours in line to vote.

Christian Slater's Vote Rejected In Florida

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/30/christian-slaters-ballot-_n_2219453.html

Slater's ballot for the 2012 General Election was rejected by the Miami-Dade County canvassing board, proving that not even the rich and famous were saved from Florida's trainwreck voting headache.
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Friday Slater tweeted a photo of the rejection letter with the comment, "Hilarious! I really tried! 5 hours in line" before removing the tweet from his verified Twitter account.

 

[EagleKeeper]

In the letter, the Supervisor of Elections writes, "After a thorough review, your provisional ballot was not counted because the signature on the provisional ballot certificate envelope did not match the signature on your voter registration record."

They applied the rules.

should have paid more attention to your penmanship classes in school

 

[CrackRabbit]

They applied the rules.

should have paid more attention to your penmanship classes in school

Oh come EK, does your signature look the same every single time you sign it?

Mine certainly doesn't.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh come EK, does your signature look the same every single time you sign it?

Mine certainly doesn't.

How much different can one X look from another? No not you, him.

 

[emperus]

They applied the rules.

should have paid more attention to your penmanship classes in school

Right on cue. So we have a celebrity who probably signs his signature millions of times. He legally registers to vote. He finds out he wasn't registered and then when he votes provisionally, is told his signature isn't the same. What is the probability of that Eagle? I guess the law did work.

Here is his signature..

 

[chucky2]

It is incredibly depressing our voting system is this bad and outdated...

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Oh come EK, does your signature look the same every single time you sign it?

Mine certainly doesn't.

Texas recommends that you update the signature on your voter's registration with the registrars office if your signature has changed over the years.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Texas recommends that you update the signature on your voter's registration with the registrars office if your signature has changed over the years.

That is fine and good, but it doesn't answer my question.

 

[chucky2]

I hardly ever write, and as such, my penmanship is terrible. When I'm signing something that actually matters however, I take the time and make sure I write properly. If he didn't, that's his own damn fault.

Chuck

 

[First]

We'll be able to vote over the Internet, from smartphones, etc. on national basis within the decade, probably (hopefully) prompted by simple legislation with Obama in office. It'll be a non-issue soon enough which, unfortunately for the Repubs, does not bode well for them as voters least likely to vote, vote overwhelmingly for Dems. When you can vote on your phone, there's almost zero barrier to entry into the voting system. Well, at least you'd think so. Registration needs to be more streamlined as well.

 

[chucky2]

We'll be able to vote over the Internet, from smartphones, etc. on national basis within the decade, probably (hopefully) prompted by simple legislation with Obama in office. It'll be a non-issue soon enough which, unfortunately for the Repubs, does not bode well for them as voters least likely to vote, vote overwhelmingly for Dems. When you can vote on your phone, there's almost zero barrier to entry into the voting system. Well, at least you'd think so. Registration needs to be more streamlined as well.

This. This is what the US should be doing at a Federal level, which properly setup, will carry down to every other level as well. Your National ID should be treated just like a debit card, complete with your 6 digit pin. To use the ID, need the pin. Using the pin requires it to be used manually in person, or, over a secure connection. The banking/credit industry has figured out this for 15-20 years or so now, well enough that secure online banking is just taken for granted.

How and why we don't have this already for voting is F'ing absurd. I should be an IL resident in CA and be able to vote in my state election, or Fed election. Just insanity how this is not already a reality...

Chuck

 

[Schmide]

What really happened? Some log cabin dude at the voter office sees Christian Slater's voter application, remembers him as his first crush, steals card, forges replacement, kills 2 birds with one stone, voter suppression and man crush memorabilia.

 

[First]

This. This is what the US should be doing at a Federal level, which properly setup, will carry down to every other level as well. Your National ID should be treated just like a debit card, complete with your 6 digit pin. To use the ID, need the pin. Using the pin requires it to be used manually in person, or, over a secure connection. The banking/credit industry has figured out this for 15-20 years or so now, well enough that secure online banking is just taken for granted.

How and why we don't have this already for voting is F'ing absurd. I should be an IL resident in CA and be able to vote in my state election, or Fed election. Just insanity how this is not already a reality...

Chuck

Exactly. It's interesting that anyone can manage an infinite number of extremely sensitive financial accounts from one app (say, Mint), be it 401K, property, CC's, loans, etc. but yet not be able to vote in a special election in a state in off years. I can understand not rolling it out on a national level because there are semi-legit concerns about security and reliability, but you'd figure there'd be more local and state-level experimentation with this so the Feds have some real world results (successful or unsuccessful) to model after or not.

I imagine the whole rollout would cost a lot too, but that's never stopped the Feds before.

 

[Sonikku]

The Florida Voter Laws workedhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/30/christian-slaters-ballot-_n_2219453.html

Um, no. It didn't. :whiste: It blocked a wealthy religious Caucasian male from voting. That's the last person we wanted effected by the new laws.

 

[chucky2]

Exactly. It's interesting that anyone can manage an infinite number of extremely sensitive financial accounts from one app (say, Mint), be it 401K, property, CC's, loans, etc. but yet not be able to vote in a special election in a state in off years. I can understand not rolling it out on a national level because there are semi-legit concerns about security and reliability, but you'd figure there'd be more local and state-level experimentation with this so the Feds have some real world results (successful or unsuccessful) to model after or not.

I imagine the whole rollout would cost a lot too, but that's never stopped the Feds before.

My vision would actually take this further. I'd push for a Federally owned voting system, housed at State/county/local locations (and Fed where appropriate, such as Gov offices, military bases, embassies, etc) that would be availble for State/county/local use when needed. Have a state election in IL? Not a problem. Federally hosted IL website is setup, linked with National ID system. Same time in IL, Federally owned hardware housed at those locations needed gets a pull from the Federal website. Hardware takes the pull, is automagically setup. IL has election, results are basically immediately known. Those forgetting their National ID and/or their PIN? SOL. Just like when you forget your debit card and/or the pin. The number of those people should be so low, it'd be far far better than the current system.

We perfect something like this, next step is invite UN monitors to monitor - with zero authority, basically they have permission to be there and not say a F'ing word - our elections. Once the UN monitors have got it down, the UN can roll such a system out to countries that wish to have the UN conduct voting. We could even sell such a system if countries so wished, obviously with the encryption/security changed so as to prevent penetration of our system (where necessary).

In short: Get busy Pols, this is way F'ing overdue.

Chuck

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

This. This is what the US should be doing at a Federal level, which properly setup, will carry down to every other level as well. Your National ID should be treated just like a debit card, complete with your 6 digit pin. To use the ID, need the pin. Using the pin requires it to be used manually in person, or, over a secure connection. The banking/credit industry has figured out this for 15-20 years or so now, well enough that secure online banking is just taken for granted.

How and why we don't have this already for voting is F'ing absurd. I should be an IL resident in CA and be able to vote in my state election, or Fed election. Just insanity how this is not already a reality...

Chuck

brb, finding a bot to run voting by bruteforcing ID numbers, social sec numbers, etc... Our FBI, CIA, Whitehouse computers - etc... are getting hacked in, and you want STATES to be able to provide security for valid voting online? You best be trolling. Of all scenarios, I can't think of one where you can vote without having to be present where you are verified as a living person and not a bot


Yes, internet based voting... genius...

 

[chucky2]

brb, finding a bot to run voting by bruteforcing ID numbers, social sec numbers, etc... Our FBI, CIA, Whitehouse computers - etc... are getting hacked in, and you want STATES to be able to provide security for valid voting online? You best be trolling. Of all scenarios, I can't think of one where you can vote without having to be present where you are verified as a living person and not a bot


Yes, internet based voting... genius...

I think you need to go re-read what I posted. This system would be hosted Federally. The data hosted Federally. Only the hardware would be kept by the State/county/local. You have security concerns with the hardware being kept local? OK, that's valid. Maybe it's not kept local, but, secured at the state level and then 'chain of custody' lent out to county/local when needed. Point is, this can happen, and work far better than what we've got now. Good luck hacking the CIA or NSA - that's who this would have to be vetted by before it went live.

Chuck

 

[ivwshane]

They applied the rules.

should have paid more attention to your penmanship classes in school

Another great post by mr unamerican.

Good job dick!

 

[Ausm]

Oh come EK, does your signature look the same every single time you sign it?

Mine certainly doesn't.

You don't realize the wannabe mod is peeeeerfect.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I think you need to go re-read what I posted. This system would be hosted Federally. The data hosted Federally. Only the hardware would be kept by the State/county/local. You have security concerns with the hardware being kept local? OK, that's valid. Maybe it's not kept local, but, secured at the state level and then 'chain of custody' lent out to county/local when needed. Point is, this can happen, and work far better than what we've got now. Good luck hacking the CIA or NSA - that's who this would have to be vetted by before it went live.

Chuck

Good luck hacking the CIA or NSA? Uhhhhh, it's been done. Many many many many times :awe:

Also, you didn't mention federally until your 2nd post after.

 

[squirrel dog]

We use drivers licenses here in God's country.

 

[Moonbeam]

My vision would actually take this further. I'd push for a Federally owned voting system, housed at State/county/local locations (and Fed where appropriate, such as Gov offices, military bases, embassies, etc) that would be availble for State/county/local use when needed. Have a state election in IL? Not a problem. Federally hosted IL website is setup, linked with National ID system. Same time in IL, Federally owned hardware housed at those locations needed gets a pull from the Federal website. Hardware takes the pull, is automagically setup. IL has election, results are basically immediately known. Those forgetting their National ID and/or their PIN? SOL. Just like when you forget your debit card and/or the pin. The number of those people should be so low, it'd be far far better than the current system.

We perfect something like this, next step is invite UN monitors to monitor - with zero authority, basically they have permission to be there and not say a F'ing word - our elections. Once the UN monitors have got it down, the UN can roll such a system out to countries that wish to have the UN conduct voting. We could even sell such a system if countries so wished, obviously with the encryption/security changed so as to prevent penetration of our system (where necessary).

In short: Get busy Pols, this is way F'ing overdue.

Chuck

Chucky, you're killing me...............................

 

[chucky2]

Good luck hacking the CIA or NSA? Uhhhhh, it's been done. Many many many many times :awe:

It has? They've had account info hacked using SecureID and personal pin?

Also, you didn't mention federally until your 2nd post after.

No, I didn't mention federal until my third post. The same one you quoted and responded to. If you responded to the post where I said federal, how could u not know I was talking about federal control?

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

Chucky, you're killing me...............................

What can I say, I'm a dreamer...

 

[shira]

The Florida Voter Laws worked

Um, no. It didn't. :whiste: It blocked a wealthy religious Caucasian male from voting. That's the last person we wanted effected by the new laws.

Actually, it did. Slater's a liberal. Looks like we're getting these new voter laws fine-tuned just right.