The Fix is in, even if Biden wins, he loses.

[Zorba]

Yeah, the federal constitution, but I'd think most states would have a specific law on how they were appointed. Especially any state with faithless elector laws.

When I was in Ohio the elector's names were actually on the ballot IIRC.

Florida for example: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0100-0199/0103/Sections/0103.011.html

Votes cast for the actual candidates for President and Vice President shall be counted as votes cast for the presidential electors supporting such candidates. The Department of State shall certify as elected the presidential electors of the candidates for President and Vice President who receive the highest number of votes.

And the electors have already been selected: https://dos.myflorida.com/elections...cuments-and-committees/presidential-electors/

 

[hal2kilo]

Nobody listens.

 

[UNCjigga]

Now the wannabe POTUS for life is telling everyone he cannot commit to a peaceful transition of power. Are the alarm bells ringing for his supporters yet, or can we finally accept that they hate America and want to replace her with a fascist state?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1308902276187262978

 

[fskimospy]

Negative. Ex post facto rules apply.

You have more faith in the judiciary than I do I guess.

 

[cytg111]

How far will he escalate? I mean, someone may have kompromat on Leningrad Lindsey but no one if falling off tall buildings yet....

 

[cytg111]

You have more faith in the judiciary than I do I guess.

Isnt that the whole point of ramming a justice through now?

 

[hal2kilo]

Now it makes sense for Trump to request his people to vote by mail and in person. Somehow he thinks he can invalidate all mail in voting. Who knows how a fascist mad man thinks.

 

[cytg111]

Now it makes sense for Trump to request his people to vote by mail and in person. Somehow he thinks he can invalidate all mail in voting. Who knows how a fascist mad man thinks.

Yes. Exactly. Massive evidence of fraud, fraud he incited, non the less...

 

[Jhhnn]

You have more faith in the judiciary than I do I guess.

It'll never get that far. They can't change state law w/o the governor or a veto override. It won't pass anybody's muster at the state court level. It's all FUD all the time, part of the firehose of falsehood.

 

[fskimospy]

It'll never get that far. They can't change state law w/o the governor or a veto override. It won't pass anybody's muster at the state court level. It's all FUD all the time, part of the firehose of falsehood.

I’m confused, what state law binds the state legislature in how it acts on the federal constitution? That seems unconstitutional in both a state and federal sense.

 

[Mai72]

Problem is Americans are weak. We've had it too good. Now, most Americans will just ignore what happens and TBH many just don't care. But, this is how democracy ends. No country, not even America can withstand a President who runs roughshod over the constitution, and who doesn't abide to the laws. Imagine if Barack attempted this? If this happens we are probably witnessing the end of America. If that is the case EVERYONE will be affected.

 

[HomerJS]

Fairly click bait article.

There's nothing click bait about it. I suggest reading it carefully. I'm watching a presentation on the Atlantic article now.

Read it, come back and say if it is a legitimate theory.

 

[Jhhnn]

I’m confused, what state law binds the state legislature in how it acts on the federal constitution? That seems unconstitutional in both a state and federal sense.

I'm not going to research it, but I'm confident that individual state laws describe how electors are selected. Otherwise the selection wouldn't be on the ballot. They can change it before the election, but not afterwards.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm not going to research it, but I'm confident that individual state laws describe how electors are selected. Otherwise the selection wouldn't be on the ballot. They can change it before the election, but not afterwards.

Actually they can. The drop dead date for choosing electors is AFTER the election in December.

Congress sets the date on which the electors meet, currently the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December.

Electoral College

When Americans vote for President and Vice President of the United States, they are actually voting for presidential electors, known collectively as the

www.history.com

.

 

[Jhhnn]

Actually they can. The drop dead date for choosing electors is AFTER the election in December.

Electoral College

When Americans vote for President and Vice President of the United States, they are actually voting for presidential electors, known collectively as the

www.history.com

.

So what? The rules in place at the time of an election are the only rules that apply to that election.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not going to research it, but I'm confident that individual state laws describe how electors are selected. Otherwise the selection wouldn't be on the ballot. They can change it before the election, but not afterwards.

Right but the federal constitution gives powers to the state legislature. I’m not sure how state law could constrain that.

 

[Moonbeam]

Problem is Americans are weak. We've had it too good. Now, most Americans will just ignore what happens and TBH many just don't care. But, this is how democracy ends. No country, not even America can withstand a President who runs roughshod over the constitution, and who doesn't abide to the laws. Imagine if Barack attempted this? If this happens we are probably witnessing the end of America. If that is the case EVERYONE will be affected.

I think Democracy has been dead for some time which is why I wanted somebody far on the progressive left, somebody aware of the corrosive effect the 1% can have on politics. running as a Democrat for President. If the Republicans are going to steal the election we could at least have had it stolen from somebody who would be campaigning on the really central issues.

But anyway, we will have a better idea, I think, if we are seeing the end of America by how the military acts if Trump steals the election. I would say if they back him we are pretty much toast, with everything they are sworn to uphold as meaningless to them as it is to the Republican House and Senate.

That the military has allowed a Russian agent to run roughshod over the Constitution the way Trump has for the last 4 years is very very troubling I think.

At any rate, if nothing is done and the election is stolen some may find a deeper appreciation of the perspicacity of President Eisenhower's Farewell Address as we're marched off to the camps.

 

[Jhhnn]

Right but the federal constitution gives powers to the state legislature. I’m not sure how state law could constrain that.

Those constraints were made law by prior legislatures. They already chose for their successors. It can be changed, but not after the fact. If they just left it to the current legislators the President wouldn't even be on the ballot.

 

[Grooveriding]

Problem is Americans are weak. We've had it too good. Now, most Americans will just ignore what happens and TBH many just don't care. But, this is how democracy ends. No country, not even America can withstand a President who runs roughshod over the constitution, and who doesn't abide to the laws. Imagine if Barack attempted this? If this happens we are probably witnessing the end of America. If that is the case EVERYONE will be affected.

Trump's fanatic supporters will be of no use to him if he is a dictator. If Trump loses on the numbers, but pulls a scam to stay in power; that is the end of it. It's textbook banana republic, dictatorship, what have you.

Nightmare scenario. How many countries will break off diplomatic ties? Many would feel obligated if America becomes a failed state after the election, if it's no longer a democracy, what does the UN do? UK? Canada? China? Russia laughs I guess. It is a nightmare situation.

He is outright saying he won't accept a loss, will litigate, lying about complete fabrications about fraud. They should impeach him just for saying that.

 

[Indus]

Trump's fanatic supporters will be of no use to him if he is a dictator. If Trump loses on the numbers, but pulls a scam to stay in power; that is the end of it. It's textbook banana republic, dictatorship, what have you.

Nightmare scenario. How many countries will break off diplomatic ties? Many would feel obligated if America becomes a failed state after the election, if it's no longer a democracy, what does the UN do? UK? Canada? China? Russia laughs I guess. It is a nightmare situation.

He is outright saying he won't accept a loss, will litigate, lying about complete fabrications about fraud. They should impeach him just for saying that.

And what will that do? Fail in the senate again?

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump's fanatic supporters will be of no use to him if he is a dictator. If Trump loses on the numbers, but pulls a scam to stay in power; that is the end of it. It's textbook banana republic, dictatorship, what have you.

Nightmare scenario. How many countries will break off diplomatic ties? Many would feel obligated if America becomes a failed state after the election, if it's no longer a democracy, what does the UN do? UK? Canada? China? Russia laughs I guess. It is a nightmare situation.

He is outright saying he won't accept a loss, will litigate, lying about complete fabrications about fraud. They should impeach him just for saying that.

Trump is immune to impeachment. Only the election can stop him.

 

[fskimospy]

Those constraints were made law by prior legislatures. They already chose for their successors. It can be changed, but not after the fact. If they just left it to the current legislators the President wouldn't even be on the ballot.

Prior legislatures cannot constrain the current one.

 

[Zorba]

Right but the federal constitution gives powers to the state legislature. I’m not sure how state law could constrain that.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress; but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The legislatures have already selected the manner and have passed laws dictating this manner. Thomas might go along with this scheme, but I don't see any of the other current justices going along with it, especially after the election.

 

[Jhhnn]

Prior legislatures cannot constrain the current one.

From legislating, which isn't the issue at hand. Any attempt to change the way electors are selected after the election already determined them would violate the ex post facto provisions of the Constitution.

 

[Jaskalas]

I hope you guys realize that Trump has already succeeded in laying the foundation for this attempt. He's already fucked over the post office.

Morons should have never involved the post office. Americans should have voted in person this year like every other. What, their continued survival was too bothersome to show up for?