The first poll after Ted Stevens conviction just in.

[techs]

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...alaska_senate-562.html
http://www.electoral-vote.com/...ate/Graphs/alaska.html

Up til Oct. 19 the race was essentially even with Stevens opponent, Begich, barely a point ahead on average.
On Oct. 28th a Rassmussen poll which was partly done before and partly after Stevens conviction showed Begich with an 8 point lead.
Then a Reasearch 2000 poll which was mostly done after the conviction shows Begich with an astounding 22 point lead.

Congratulations Alaskans!

 

[chess9]

But...Stevens will bring home the moose bacon!

-Robert

 

[Thump553]

CSPAN had a post-conviction Alaska senatorial debate a few nights ago. Stevens was as blustery and defiant as always in claiming that he had not been convicted.

If he was any other defendant his nonremorseful attitude would hurt him greatly at sentencing. As it is the fact that he is 84 is probably enough to keep him out of jail. Too bad-some jail time for him would serve as a remarkable deterrent to other erring politicians.

BTW, CSPAN reported that he will still get his $122,000 government pension. Apparently the last "reform" bill passed by Congress did eliminate pensions for federal politicians convicted of crimes, but only ten specific crimes. Here he is committed felonies specifically related to his federal job and his will still get his pension. Some reform, some justice.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Thump553
CSPAN had a post-conviction Alaska senatorial debate a few nights ago. Stevens was as blustery and defiant as always in claiming that he had not been convicted.

If he was any other defendant his nonremorseful attitude would hurt him greatly at sentencing. As it is the fact that he is 84 is probably enough to keep him out of jail. Too bad-some jail time for him would serve as a remarkable deterrent to other erring politicians.

BTW, CSPAN reported that he will still get his $122,000 government pension. Apparently the last "reform" bill passed by Congress did eliminate pensions for federal politicians convicted of crimes, but only ten specific crimes. Here he is committed felonies specifically related to his federal job and his will still get his pension. Some reform, some justice.

Well hopefully that worthless sack won't be around long enough to take much more than a few years worth of that pension out of our tax dollars. What a POS.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.realclearpolitics.c...alaska_senate-562.html
http://www.electoral-vote.com/...ate/Graphs/alaska.html

Up til Nov. 19 the race was essentially even with Stevens opponent, Begich, barely a point ahead on average.
On Nov. 28th a Rassmussen poll which was partly done before and partly after Stevens conviction showed Begich with an 8 point lead.
Then a Reasearch 2000 poll which was mostly done after the conviction shows Begich with an astounding 22 point lead.

Congratulations Alaskans!

Techs...I HATE to nitpick, but...see the bolded parts above...or are you living in the future and I'm just stuck in the past...

 

[seemingly random]

So much for alaskans. rcp average has Begich +10 now. That's stunning. It should be +90.

Alaskans need to come collect their ticky tacky gov and stay the hell out of u.s. politics.

 

[jpeyton]

Congrats for Alaskans, finally flushing that turd down the drain and helping the Dems get that supermajority they need.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.realclearpolitics.c...alaska_senate-562.html
http://www.electoral-vote.com/...ate/Graphs/alaska.html

Up til Nov. 19 the race was essentially even with Stevens opponent, Begich, barely a point ahead on average.
On Nov. 28th a Rassmussen poll which was partly done before and partly after Stevens conviction showed Begich with an 8 point lead.
Then a Reasearch 2000 poll which was mostly done after the conviction shows Begich with an astounding 22 point lead.

Congratulations Alaskans!

Techs...I HATE to nitpick, but...see the bolded parts above...or are you living in the future and I'm just stuck in the past...

Hehe. I guess I was just assuming.
Fixed in original post.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: seemingly random
So much for alaskans. rcp average has Begich +10 now. That's stunning. It should be +90.

Alaskans need to come collect their ticky tacky gov and stay the hell out of u.s. politics.

If it wasn't for the oil I'd let Russia annex Alaska.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: seemingly random
So much for alaskans. rcp average has Begich +10 now. That's stunning. It should be +90.

Alaskans need to come collect their ticky tacky gov and stay the hell out of u.s. politics.

If it wasn't for the oil I'd let Russia annex Alaska.

We could lease most of it to canada. We'd still need a vantage point so we could see russia.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.realclearpolitics.c...alaska_senate-562.html
http://www.electoral-vote.com/...ate/Graphs/alaska.html

Up til Oct. 19 the race was essentially even with Stevens opponent, Begich, barely a point ahead on average.
On Oct. 28th a Rassmussen poll which was partly done before and partly after Stevens conviction showed Begich with an 8 point lead.
Then a Reasearch 2000 poll which was mostly done after the conviction shows Begich with an astounding 22 point lead.

Congratulations Alaskans!

Ted Stevens loses his Alaska seat? No way???

Couldn't have happened to a nicer senator. Lets hope Alaskans have the good sense to get rid of him. But on the other hand they elected Palin as Gov . . . . .

 

[Lemon law]

Well that closes one Palin option, She really needs some US national experience to run for Pres in 2012. If Stevens won his reelection bid and was later forced to resign, Palin might go after the seat, but if
Begish wins, that option basically closes.

As for Stevens, he is between a rock and a hard place, it costs him nothing to be defiant, but he is still probably at the absolute end of his political career and nothing will change reality.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well that closes one Palin option, She really needs some US national experience to run for Pres in 2012. If Stevens won his reelection bid and was later forced to resign, Palin might go after the seat, but if
Begish wins, that option basically closes.

As for Stevens, he is between a rock and a hard place, it costs him nothing to be defiant, but he is still probably at the absolute end of his political career and nothing will change reality.

Palin 2012....with Dan Quayle as her VP, I hope?



Palin/Quayle '12.
Yes, we're serious!

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well that closes one Palin option, She really needs some US national experience to run for Pres in 2012.

historically, being a governor is a faaar better platform to run for president on than senator.

Stevens should really win douchebag of the year for insisting on running for reelection when everyone in his party was telling him not to.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well that closes one Palin option, She really needs some US national experience to run for Pres in 2012.

historically, being a governor is a faaar better platform to run for president on than senator.

Stevens should really win douchebag of the year for insisting on running for reelection when everyone in his party was telling him not to.

Well the other option is to let his opponent win. This way he had some chance of winning and then Alaska holdin ga special election to replace him.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: seemingly random
So much for alaskans. rcp average has Begich +10 now. That's stunning. It should be +90.

Alaskans need to come collect their ticky tacky gov and stay the hell out of u.s. politics.

If it wasn't for the oil I'd let Russia annex Alaska.

We could lease most of it to canada. We'd still need a vantage point so we could see russia.

LOL, we could keep palin's house.

 

[Lemon law]

Palin already has Governor on her resume, now she needs some US national experience to add to her resume. And she will not get that National experience by being governor of Alaska.

Palin is also going to have to lose the political light weigh image she got tagged with early in the campaign, so she is going to have to seen as being in the middle of serious national debates
that occur in the heartland, and not in the far off wilderness of Alaska.

I am no Palin fan, but these considerations should be going on in her head if she is serious about being a Presidential contender in 2012.

And as I think about it, even going into the House or Senate by winning a seat in the election of 11/2010 may be too late for Palin and I will explain why I think so.

Unless the polls are very wrong, the dems and Obama are going to win very big this coming Tuesday. And the bigger the democrats smiles, the deeper the GOP woes will be. Which means Palin will have a seat at the GOP table as the GOP tries to rebuild from the ashes. And the man who will get the most blame will be John McCain, and at age 72, McCain is too old to run again. So McCain's political career is all but over
in terms of any GOP leadership. Palin will also get a share of the finger pointing and blame that follows as a intra party struggle erupts between the moderates, neocons, the religious right, social and fiscal conservatives, and others in the GOP camp. If Palin plays her cards exactly right, she can be seen as a superstar draw quality all things to all people, if she can avoid being drawn too much into any one faction.
Because if she picks the losing faction of the GOP internal struggle, her chances of running for President in 2012 die then. Once a GOP consensus emerges by 1/1/2009, that strategy will be on auto pilot until
11/2010 when the GOP will receive their next report card. Meanwhile Palin has to be on the right side of that future report card, and be a constructive critic of any GOP mistakes. A House or a Senate vote sure helps, but Obama stuck it to Hillary on Iraq without having a vote of his own. But if Palin waits until 2010 to get a seat in the House or Senate, and arrives with the wrong GOP faction, she will arrive DOA for 2012. My guess, the sooner Palin escapes from Alaska, the better her chances will be in 2012.