The FDA is a joke.

[Powermoloch]

Only the government could fuck it up this bad. Pick one side and stick with it. Why is that so hard?

It's a schedule II class drug. It is illegal to use/have/pop on 'em unless you have a prescription for it. the "gubment" chose a side. IF it's schedule I, then we wont see Desoxyn in the market

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Schedule II.—
(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States or a currently accepted medical use with severe restrictions.
(C) Abuse of the drug or other substances may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence." [20]
Except when dispensed directly by a practitioner, other than a pharmacist, to an ultimate user, no controlled substance in schedule II, which is a prescription drug as determined under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act [21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.], may be dispensed without the written prescription of a practitioner, except that in emergency situations, as prescribed by the Secretary by regulation after consultation with the Attorney General, such drug may be dispensed upon oral prescription in accordance with section 503(b) of that Act [21 U.S.C. 353 (b)]. Prescriptions shall be retained in conformity with the requirements of section 827 of this title. No prescription for a controlled substance in schedule II may be refilled.[26] Notably no emergency situation provisions exist outside the Controlled Substances Act's "closed system" although this closed system may be unavailable or nonfunctioning in the event of accidents in remote areas or disasters such as hurricanes and earthquakes. Acts which would widely be considered morally imperative[citation needed] remain offenses subject to heavy penalties.[27]

 

[Taejin]

First before I labor myself with citing links and such of the terrible health consequences of eating GMO's are you able to articulate a basic understanding of what a GMO food means?

butbut but its GENETICALLY MIXED WITH OTHER ANIMALS and you can ahve like jellyfish corn!! JELLYFISH CORNS ITS SOOO UNNATURAL *blubber*

shut up moron

 

[zerocool84]

Well, when you have thread after thread bitching about something due to "progressive" policies, then yes, point out the fact that "progressives" are the ones who caused these things are perfectly relevant.

No it's not. You always throw it in when it has nothing to do with it. Keep it in P&N.

 

[0roo0roo]

If not ban GMO foods at least enforce proper labeling.

They have to label if the plant processing a food had any contact with peanuts or other nuts

They have to label if the wine contains sulfates

They have to label alcohol with pregnancy warning

Yet they don't have to label if the food is some questionable Frankenstein shit dreamed up in a lab and never thoroughly tested?

Let me fucking decide if I want to eat that shit or not - don't sneak it into the food supply like that!

because labeling based on irrational fear is not something to be encouraged.
peanut alergies are real, franken food hysteria is bullsh*t. the idea that normal foods are natural and thus unharmful is creationist type thinking. standard plant breeding/hybridization techniques leave things up to random chance, which is about as stupidly unsafe as it gets, yet not much goes wrong. so the whole hysteria over the issue is massively over blown.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I figure most people prefer to videos to reading. So here is a 90 minutes lecture that covers many of the dangers we are dealing with in GMOs.

http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/MediaCenter/Videos/index.cfm

 

[IceBergSLiM]

There have been stories in the news where people die from 4 Lokos. [/URL]

yes they were probably underage and mixing with other drugs or drinks. Nobody has died off of 1 or 2. (responsible consumption)

I can cite college students that die off booze every year big fucking deal. I'm almost glad they died. Sets a good example for others not to be so fucking retarded.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

lol at GMO foods. you rail and rail against these hippies banning your fun time caffeine drinks, but get all up-in-arms on this pseudo-whacko-enviro-anti-GMO food hogwash.

lol

First of all, I don't drink caffeine drinks all day everyday. However its estimated 50%-60% of our food supply in the USA has gmo ingredients.

The EU has also had gmo banned for a while. So the EU are pseudo whack enviro nutjobs?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

because labeling based on irrational fear is not something to be encouraged.
peanut alergies are real, franken food hysteria is bullsh*t. the idea that normal foods are natural and thus unharmful is creationist type thinking. standard plant breeding/hybridization techniques leave things up to random chance, which is about as stupidly unsafe as it gets, yet not much goes wrong. so the whole hysteria over the issue is massively over blown.

how do you know this? Do you even know the difference between a natural reproductive hybrid and a GMO? To compare the two is silly.

 

[911paramedic]

What's next?

Irish coffee?

Racist.

 

[SP33Demon]

Fvck GMO's and fvck fast food, give me the food in the same genetic form that my ancestors ate. Give GMO's to starving countries but don't put that sht on my dinner table.

 

[ShawnD1]

Fvck GMO's and fvck fast food, give me the food in the same genetic form that my ancestors ate.

In other words you want plants that die very easily and you want to live in constant fear that there is a shortage of food. Fair enough. I respect your desire to kill yourself :thumbsup:

 

[surfsatwerk]

In other words you want plants that die very easily and you want to live in constant fear that there is a shortage of food. Fair enough. I respect your desire to kill yourself :thumbsup:

We'll all have to go back to having rape for dinner like our caveman ancestors did.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

In other words you want plants that die very easily and you want to live in constant fear that there is a shortage of food. Fair enough. I respect your desire to kill yourself :thumbsup:

Funny there isn't a shortage of food in the EU where GMO is banned. Prior to 1996 when gmo came on the market en mass there wasn't a food shortage in this country either. I respect your desire to be ignorant.

 

[Lamont Burns]

how imma take my legal prosteroids if the FDA goes after them.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Funny there isn't a shortage of food in the EU where GMO is banned. Prior to 1996 when gmo came on the market en mass there wasn't a food shortage in this country either. I respect your desire to be ignorant.

Funny that isn't what he said at all.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Funny that isn't what he said at all.

yeah I don't think they are living in "fear" of a food shortage either.

 

[ShawnD1]

yeah I don't think they are living in "fear" of a food shortage either.

The food your ancestors ate had no pesticides, no herbicides, it was not crossbred, not genetically molested. It was good pure food. The problem is that there was always a shortage of it. Bugs like pure food as well, and the bugs outnumber humans a million to one.

Eventually we figured out that spraying poison on the plants would kill bugs that ate the plants, and we could just wash the poison off before we ate it ourselves. That creates a problem where there's a small amount of poison in your food, but at least you have food.

Later we figured out crossbreeding and genetic engineering. We can create food that naturally resists bugs, frost, weeds, and droughts. We don't need to use as much poison on the plants because the plants are already resilient against those things. We also figured out that exposing plants to ionizing radiation killed everything in the plant and this would prevent food from spoiling.

Basically what the people against GMO and radiation want is a return to the good old days when your food was drenched in poison to prevent bugs from eating it then soaked in more poison to prevent bacteria growth. I thought we were trying to get away from poison and use safer ways of controlling pests. Some people don't even want the poison on their food. They straight up want to return to the days of famine.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

The food your ancestors ate had no pesticides, no herbicides, it was not crossbred, not genetically molested. It was good pure food. The problem is that there was always a shortage of it. Bugs like pure food as well, and the bugs outnumber humans a million to one.

Eventually we figured out that spraying poison on the plants would kill bugs that ate the plants, and we could just wash the poison off before we ate it ourselves. That creates a problem where there's a small amount of poison in your food, but at least you have food.

Later we figured out crossbreeding and genetic engineering. We can create food that naturally resists bugs, frost, weeds, and droughts. We don't need to use as much poison on the plants because the plants are already resilient against those things. We also figured out that exposing plants to ionizing radiation killed everything in the plant and this would prevent food from spoiling.

Basically what the people against GMO and radiation want is a return to the good old days when your food was drenched in poison to prevent bugs from eating it then soaked in more poison to prevent bacteria growth. I thought we were trying to get away from poison and use safer ways of controlling pests. Some people don't even want the poison on their food. They straight up want to return to the days of famine.

There are organic pesticides. one problem problem with BT and round up ready foods is that each cell has the pesticide in it leaving you with instead of a pesticide on the surface that can be mostly washed off, a pesticide that permeates each cell of the food = much much higher concentrations. But that is just one of the pitfalls.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Another good look at GMO after you view the other one:

http://www.tvcert.com/watch/39302/

 

[ShawnD1]

There are organic pesticides

It's worth noting that those all natural organic pesticides tend to be more dangerous than synthetic ones because the use the shotgun approach. Scientists make synthetics target specific bugs, but natural pesticides just seem to kill everything.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100622175510.htm

"We found the mineral oil organic pesticide had the most impact on the environment because it works by smothering the aphids and therefore requires large amounts to be applied to the plants," said Hallett.

Compared to the synthetic pesticides, the mineral oil-based and fungal products were less effective, as they also killed ladybugs and flower bugs, which are important regulators of aphid population and growth.

These predator insects reduce environmental impact because they naturally protect the crop, reducing the amount of pesticides that are needed, she added.

Another example of a natural pesticide is nicotine. Nicotine is extremely effective but uses the shotgun approach and kills absolutely everything, including ladybugs.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

It's worth noting that those all natural organic pesticides tend to be more dangerous than synthetic ones because the use the shotgun approach. Scientists make synthetics target specific bugs, but natural pesticides just seem to kill everything.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100622175510.htm


Another example of a natural pesticide is nicotine. Nicotine is extremely effective but uses the shotgun approach and kills absolutely everything, including ladybugs.

I'm not necessarily against all pesticides though. We were talking GMO.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

There are organic pesticides. one problem problem with BT and round up ready foods is that each cell has the pesticide in it leaving you with instead of a pesticide on the surface that can be mostly washed off, a pesticide that permeates each cell of the food = much much higher concentrations. But that is just one of the pitfalls.

You're so smart. There are organic poisons (which is what any pesticide, organic or synthetic, are at their core) that could be used. Yay, so instead of having synthetic ones, we have biological/natural ones. Ricin and Anthrax, along with others, are organic poisons as well. I don't know about you, but I don't care to eat food with those on it anymore than I would care to eat food with synthetic on it.

GMO food does need labeled as such however, along with regulation as to what "organic/free range/etc" legally means.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

GMO food does need labeled as such however, along with regulation as to what "organic/free range/etc" legally means.

Agreed. If GMO food was labeled as such the market would shift overnight and it would be nearly completely eliminated. Unlike other preservatives, additives, gmo serves no benefit to the consumer. People would vote with their wallets and gmo's would be gone.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

butbut but its GENETICALLY MIXED WITH OTHER ANIMALS and you can ahve like jellyfish corn!! JELLYFISH CORNS ITS SOOO UNNATURAL *blubber*

shut up moron

Of course it's unnatural but since you don't know that corn isn't an animal i doubt you know anything about that at all.

My biggest problem is that there ARE a sheitload of prions, some beneficial, some neutral and some REALLY bad ones like the ones that cause FFI, CJD, GSS and kuru in humans and we have NO clue if genetic manipulation can make a plant produce a protein that could lead to a similar disease in humans, it will take decades to find out and by then you will have killed off a whole continent who has been eating it.

We DO KNOW that genetic manipulation changes protein chain structure in some plants in some cases and we have no clue if it's harmful to humans at all, so it's not like it's a far fetched idea either.

The resistance to GMO foods has NOTHING to do with enviro freaks or anti-science twats either, it's just the opposite, the side willing to say "i know absolutely nothing about GMO but since it's not tested it must be safe" are the real retards in this discussion.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Of course it's unnatural but since you don't know that corn isn't an animal i doubt you know anything about that at all.

My biggest problem is that there ARE a sheitload of prions, some beneficial, some neutral and some REALLY bad ones like the ones that cause FFI, CJD, GSS and kuru in humans and we have NO clue if genetic manipulation can make a plant produce a protein that could lead to a similar disease in humans, it will take decades to find out and by then you will have killed off a whole continent who has been eating it.

We DO KNOW that genetic manipulation changes protein chain structure in some plants in some cases and we have no clue if it's harmful to humans at all, so it's not like it's a far fetched idea either.

The resistance to GMO foods has NOTHING to do with enviro freaks or anti-science twats either, it's just the opposite, the side willing to say "i know absolutely nothing about GMO but since it's not tested it must be safe" are the real retards in this discussion.

And how do you recall dna that has self propagated itself in the environment? How do you test for mutations from the original GMO dna sequence?

I'm glad someone gets it.