The end of programming languages!?!

[torpid]

Originally posted by: rsd
Do any of you who responded know .NET? It is just an OO programming with a drag and drop presentation layer more or less. Sure it makes making tables and text boxes etc easier, but you still need to know how to think and program and use OOP.

I know .net pretty well, and the UI aspects you are referring to are just a very small fraction of what .net is. It's basically an improved version of java with language independence and an enormous amount of built in API, as well as some features that greatly aid supporting and integrating programs written at different times with different API versions.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: rsd
Do any of you who responded know .NET? It is just an OO programming with a drag and drop presentation layer more or less. Sure it makes making tables and text boxes etc easier, but you still need to know how to think and program and use OOP.

I know .net pretty well, and the UI aspects you are referring to are just a very small fraction of what .net is. It's basically an improved version of java with language independence and an enormous amount of built in API, as well as some features that greatly aid supporting and integrating programs written at different times with different API versions.

Well, Microsoft is pushing it as a way to "write less code", especially with the next version. But writing less code doesn't mean you are "taking the programming out of programming". Software development is a lot more than writing code.

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: rsd
Do any of you who responded know .NET? It is just an OO programming with a drag and drop presentation layer more or less. Sure it makes making tables and text boxes etc easier, but you still need to know how to think and program and use OOP.

I know .net pretty well, and the UI aspects you are referring to are just a very small fraction of what .net is. It's basically an improved version of java with language independence and an enormous amount of built in API, as well as some features that greatly aid supporting and integrating programs written at different times with different API versions.

Well, Microsoft is pushing it as a way to "write less code", especially with the next version. But writing less code doesn't mean you are "taking the programming out of programming". Software development is a lot more than writing code.

Right, so maybe it'll come to the point when software development has very little to do with code/coding but all with planning, developing, and organizing. More engineering than programing.

A bridge engineer doesn't physically bolt beams together; Maybe "programming" will evolve into just making blueprints.

 

[CPA]

so some programmers are going to design a program that will put programmers out of business. hmmmmm.....don't think so.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: CPA
so some programmers are going to design a program that will put programmers out of business. hmmmmm.....don't think so.

This isn't entirely an accurate analogy, but are you as a tax guru afraid of TaxCut and TurboTax putting you out of business? Or people using their brain to read instructions on how to file taxes?

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: rsd
Do any of you who responded know .NET? It is just an OO programming with a drag and drop presentation layer more or less. Sure it makes making tables and text boxes etc easier, but you still need to know how to think and program and use OOP.

I know .net pretty well, and the UI aspects you are referring to are just a very small fraction of what .net is. It's basically an improved version of java with language independence and an enormous amount of built in API, as well as some features that greatly aid supporting and integrating programs written at different times with different API versions.

Well, Microsoft is pushing it as a way to "write less code", especially with the next version. But writing less code doesn't mean you are "taking the programming out of programming". Software development is a lot more than writing code.

Right, so maybe it'll come to the point when software development has very little to do with code/coding but all with planning, developing, and organizing. More engineering than programing.

A bridge engineer doesn't physically bolt beams together; Maybe "programming" will evolve into just making blueprints.

It's already approaching the point where coding is less important than strategizing about the code. The theories and patterns have been around for a while, but they are only just now (last several years) beginning to percolate into mainstraim programming projects.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

What if you could just sit down at a computer and have and idea, then the computer would synthesize it for you.

Who's gonna write the program that does that?

CHECK... MATE.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: lozina
will never happen

What about the differences between basic and .net? It's been ~20 years? How about 20 years from now? What do you think it'll take to program then?

Uhhh, well, considering basic was significantly easier IMO......

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: skace
The easier a language is to use, the more bloated it is and the slower it runs.

/me points at Java

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: lozina
will never happen

What about the differences between basic and .net? It's been ~20 years? How about 20 years from now? What do you think it'll take to program then?

Uhhh, well, considering basic was significantly easier IMO......

so you think it'll be ultra difficult to program in ~20 years?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: CPA
so some programmers are going to design a program that will put programmers out of business. hmmmmm.....don't think so.

This isn't entirely an accurate analogy, but are you as a tax guru afraid of TaxCut and TurboTax putting you out of business? Or people using their brain to read instructions on how to file taxes?

I think the analogy fits for what the OP was discussing. But as far as your questions. I fear neither because I am not a tax accountant. In fact, most tax professionals don't fear those programs either because they make their business more efficient, allowing them to handle more clients. Now if you had a government panel of tax accountants discussing ways of implementing a tax system where a person would just scan their eyeball or something like that, then there would be mass hysteria with tax professionals.

Personally, I favor major overhauling of the current tax system. But whether it is a flat tax or a national sales tax there will still need to be tax accountants.

 

[NiKeFiDO]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

What if you could just sit down at a computer and have and idea, then the computer would synthesize it for you.

Who's gonna write the program that does that?

CHECK... MATE.

also my first reaction

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
In Soviet Russia.....Program writes YOU!!

*groan* there's no article