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Mr. Pedantic

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Isn't that what windows does for your drive with their "put the drives to sleep" power savings?
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The only thing about using my HDD after it's gone to sleep that I actually notice is that the spin-up is audible. It has almost no impact on performance.
 
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mv2devnull

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Apr 13, 2010
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The following is to cheer you up.

A drive bought January 2005. Bit noisy, particularly lately. The "ATA error count" rose from 0 to 78 while I was "wiping" the disk before disposal, but the Reallocated_Sector_Ct rose only by 2. That "wipe" was a 'badblocks' write-mode test, which reported some 2000+ "bad blocks". :whiste:
Code: 
smartctl version 5.38 [x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 and 7200.7 Plus family
Device Model:     ST3200822AS
Firmware Version: 3.01
User Capacity:    200,049,647,616 bytes
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   6
ATA Standard is:  ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 2
Local Time is:    Sun Aug  8 22:49:27 2010 EEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82) Offline data collection activity
                                        was completed without error.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                        without error or no self-test has ever 
                                        been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection:                 ( 430) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        No Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        No General Purpose Logging support.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time:        (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        ( 111) minutes.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   059   051   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       34813147
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   097   096   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   098   098   020    Old_age   Always       -       2291
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   098   098   036    Pre-fail  Always       -       86
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   088   060   030    Pre-fail  Always       -       712994060
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   085   085   000    Old_age   Always       -       13168
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   098   098   020    Old_age   Always       -       2334
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   054   060   000    Old_age   Always       -       54
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   059   051   000    Old_age   Always       -       34813147
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
202 TA_Increase_Count       0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
ATA Error Count: 78 (device log contains only the most recent five errors)
        CR = Command Register [HEX]
        FR = Features Register [HEX]
        SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
        SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
        CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
        CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
        DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
        DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
        ER = Error register [HEX]
        ST = Status register [HEX]
Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

Error 78 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 13162 hours (548 days + 10 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  40 51 00 68 74 dc e0  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00dc7468 = 14447720

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  25 00 08 68 74 dc e0 00      01:09:56.484  READ DMA EXT
  27 00 00 00 00 00 e0 00      01:09:56.481  READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS EXT
  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      01:09:56.480  IDENTIFY DEVICE
  ef 03 46 00 00 00 a0 00      01:09:56.480  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]
  27 00 00 00 00 00 e0 00      01:09:56.477  READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS EXT

...

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     13167         -
# 2  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     13152         -
# 3  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     10062         -
 
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ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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120gb Western Digital shit drive from Best Buy: next to no errors after being powered on for 5.7 years

120gba.png


It says failed, but it passes stress testing all the time. For a while, I was trying to break this drive by running the random read/write test in Bart's Stuff Test for weeks at a time.
Maximum write speed: 49.9mb/s
Maximum read speed: 49.9mb/s
This bitch will never die on me.


It seems to be doing a lot better than my more recent drives.
1500gb Seagate drive with only 8159 hours: 93 million read errors? 59 million seek errors? 3 relocated sectors

1500gba.png
 
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FishAk

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Jun 13, 2010
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I don't understand. Do you think those are some kind of hard number, and the drive will self destruct when the advertised time is reached? There are so many variables- vibration, heat, quality of power- that those hours really have no meaning. It's more like a marketing ploy, than anything that's useful in the real world.

THX, GL, GBA, GL, PJ, PA, Gb, GG LOL, RR, and, of course, my favorite- SYL
 
drum

drum

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Feb 1, 2003
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HDD_Diag.JPG


Work PC. I'm using a coworkers old one as a temp till I get my new one. My old one would have had a couple thousand hours less
 
bryanW1995

bryanW1995

Lifer
May 22, 2007
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are we seriously talking about this? mtbf is a arbitrary, bs, almost made up number. it is most useful when comparing products of the same company together (100k mtbf vs 50k mtbf on a WD hd for instance). it can be somewhat useful when comparing products from diff manufacturers.

look at mtbf like a car warranty. will it wail when it's still under warranty? sure, sometimes. will it be MORE LIKELY to fail once it's out of warranty. yes. there's an interesting claim pattern on car warranties, I assume that hd's are like this. year 1 has a high instance of repairs, year 2 is much lower, year 3 still low, 4 is about the same as 1, and not until year 5 do actual failures get high enough to eclipse year one problems.
 
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Concillian

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May 26, 2004
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FYI, my last set of storage drives for my server were replaced when they were ~6 years old.

One had already failed (was a RAID, so data was fine)
One failed less than 2 weeks later being used as a drive I just used to load windows on to new computers for running OC testing for hardware before putting them into actual use.

I didn't give the other two a chance to fail.

So yeah, 6 years continuous use... time to replace.
 
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Seven

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My 10GB fujitsu disk is still going strong with almost 55K hours. Go figure..
 
tweakboy

tweakboy

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Well as long as hd tune says all passed and ok in green then the health of the drive is great, especially that I defrag ... after reading and seeing screenie I havent really abused the drives they have been avg 26c ,, lows 23c and at times 30c idle ,, load doesnt go up that much,,,, soo I think it will pass the 40,000 mark what a acomplishment... lol my barracuda 80gb before they jumped into bed with maxtor is going strong 34,000 hours,,, the 120 GB WDC I wish it died so I can buy a WDC black 500gb ,,,,,,,,,
 
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