The End of Free Speech, As We Know It . . .R. I. P.

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SViscusi

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Originally posted by: ZeboStill don't make it right. BTW- how that pig stern use it artistically? I have a hard time believing that one.
Oh, I didn't say he did, the two sentences were completely unrelated. I meant that if someone could find a way to swear artistically, then go for it, but I understand where you're coming from.

 

etech

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SViscusi,

Why does Anandtech have a language filter and do you belive that violates your rights to use the f word artistically?
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: lozina


You know someone has no idea what it means to be a 'liberal' if they believe Lierberman is one.

Never said Lie-berman was a libnutjob but rather a democrap, however what I did say was that if this had been endorsed by lieberman I would be willing to bet most of the libs in here wouldn't say a thang.
 

Spencer278

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Originally posted by: etech
SViscusi,

Why does Anandtech have a language filter and do you belive that violates your rights to use the f word artistically?

Unless Anandtech was purchased by the CIA recently then it is a private company and can have what ever rules it wants. I don't knew why they bother with the filter I think it is more for show because they don't bother to fillter out look alike words.
 

Ornery

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What Is Kerry's Position On The FCC & Decency Laws?

If Howard thinks Kerry is going to save his ass, I think he's mistaken.


Kerry: Stations Have Right to Pull Stern
  • "Howard Stern does have the right to say whatever he wants anywhere, but he doesn't necessarily have the right to say it on that station if the people who run the station don't want him to," Kerry said while campaigning in New York, where Stern's show is broadcast.
I can't find a damn thing, on how Kerry would reign in the FCC, or anything like that. I have a feeling he supports current decency laws, but can't find a quote on his position one way or the other.



House Bill Would Raise Penalties for Indecency
  • The outrage over the conduct of celebrities such as singer Bono and broadcaster Howard Stern has done something in Washington that few thought possible: brought together liberals and conservatives in an often-warring Congress.

    Lawmakers have long complained about sex and violence on television. Legislation to crack down on indecent language was introduced last year after Bono uttered an obscenity at the Golden Globe Awards program televised in January 2003. But what had been a crusade by a handful of lawmakers erupted into a bipartisan stampede after Jackson's performance. By Wednesday, the indecency bill had 144 sponsors in the House.
 

Spencer278

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
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You know I'm tired of all you libs taking things out of context like that. The first admendment isn't going away!

is it being ignored, like the 10th, or 'regulated' like the 2nd?

In congress's opion their is only one admendment they like can you guess which one.
 

CaptnKirk

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A quick couple of points -

1) The decision to CITE Bono was made RETROACTIVELY, but they decided NOT to fine him for what he said.

2) Now the risk I see is that a government controlled group of minders can sit down, listen to tapes and read transcripts
then decide what they feel should be enforced. Now that is totaly dependant on the personalities that are in that meeting
and how it is presented, in or out of context, for whatever agenda that they choose to enforce at that moment.
If the panel is hand picked to any preconceived mindset, or at the whims of a extreme right or by religious lobbing,
then the few end up with the censurship of the majority through a backroom manipulation for their agenda.

I don't need Bush and Ashcroft telling me what I can watch, and sure as how not how to think the collective thought.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: lozina


You know someone has no idea what it means to be a 'liberal' if they believe Lierberman is one.

Never said Lie-berman was a libnutjob but rather a democrap, however what I did say was that if this had been endorsed by lieberman I would be willing to bet most of the libs in here wouldn't say a thang.

Well, why would you say that though? As a 'libnutjob" I have no inherent favortism to "democraps" except particular individuals who share my beliefs. So why would I as a libnutjob support something a Democrat endorses which opposes my ideology? Makes no sense.

It's like saying fiscal conservatives would support a Republican who wants to drastically increase the budget on social programs, because he's a Republican!
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: lozina

Well, why would you say that though? As a 'libnutjob" I have no inherent favortism to "democraps" except particular individuals who share my beliefs. So why would I as a libnutjob support something a Democrat endorses which opposes my ideology? Makes no sense.

It's like saying fiscal conservatives would support a Republican who wants to drastically increase the budget on social programs, because he's a Republican!

well then you must be the exception to the rule as most libs wouldn't say anything against censorship proposed by liberman or gore....
 

myusername

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
A quick couple of points -

2) Now the risk I see is that a government controlled group of minders can sit down, listen to tapes and read transcripts
then decide what they feel should be enforced. Now that is totaly dependant on the personalities that are in that meeting
and how it is presented, in or out of contest, for whatever agenda that they choose to enforce at that moment.

Exactly.

Much like the 3 prong obscenity definition, the material is set up to be reviewed in whatever context the censors choose.

Whether you like it or find it appalling, Robert Mappelthorpe's work most certainly has artistic value. As time goes on, his work will increasingly become an important historical social and political phenomenon. Additionally, nudity is not in and of itself a sexual act. As such, much of Mappelthorpe's work PASSES 2 of the 3 parts of the obscenity test, and consequently should be allowed on network television.

Somehow, though, his work can't even be put up in some art museums.

The reason for this is that the artistic, political, scientific and social values are not evaluated by experts in said fields, but by the ultraconservative Mrs. Grundy types who don't even like to consider the fact that they have genitalia underneath their chastity belts. The sort of people who wouldn't go to an art museum anyway, but really dig the huge Thomas Kincade over their fireplace.
 

dmcowen674

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www.alienbabeltech.com

Email saying "Judge,you f--ked up" lands Ohio man in hot water

If anyone wishes to express their opinion about Americans' right to free
speech to U.S. District Judge Algenon Marbley
(algenon_marbley@ohsd.uscourts.gov), please let me know what happens as
a result. Of course you should not violate the law in the jurisdiction
in which you reside.

It looks like this might be the web site of the fellow who sent the
illegal email message to Judge Marbley:
http://www.columbusconsumer.com/Ricart%20Legal%20History.htm

-Declan

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: email stating, "Judge, you fvcked up" lands consumer in hot water
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:33:33 -0500
From: Paul Levy <plevy@citizen.org>
To: <declan@well.com>



Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
http://www.citizen.org/litigation/litigation.html

>>> Mark Niquette <mniquette@dispatch.com> 04/01/04 12:38PM >>>
E-MAIL TO JUDGE
EXPLETIVE LANDS CRITIC OF RULING IN COURT

By Kevin Mayhood and Mark Niquette
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH



A Westerville man was ordered into federal court yesterday for
e-mailing
the f-word to a judge.
It is disputed whether U.S. District Judge Algenon L. Marbley was
within
his rights to send a U.S. marshal to Robert Dalton's home with a
written
order demanding that he appear in court and whether Dalton could have
been
punished for his word.

Civil libertarians say Dalton is covered by the right to free speech,
but a
federal judge said foul language -- in or out of court -- can be
grounds
for a contempt charge.

Dalton, 41, sent a full-page e-mail on March 17 lambasting Marbley's
handling of a class-action suit, but Marbley was concerned only with
some
of the first words: "You ------ up!''

In court, Marbley said Dalton's other criticism was fine.

"As an articulate man, you could have found another way to express
yourself,'' Marbley told Dalton in court yesterday.

Dalton then said he'd like to take back the curse word. "In retrospect,
I
could have used other creative words to express the strong sentiment I
have.''

That ended the matter. Marbley did not pursue a criminal contempt
charge
that carries up to six months in prison and a $5,000 fine.

Benson Wolman, former head of the ACLU in Ohio, praised Marbley as a
top
judge, but said he was wrong in this case.

"To criticize, even in unacceptable language, I think cannot be
punished
under the First Amendment,'' Wolman said. Ordering a critic into court
to
explain his actions under the threat of punishment "can have a chilling

effect on free speech.''

U.S. District Court Judge Edmund A. Sargus discussed the case
afterward.
Dalton's use of the word in a message to a judge, the day after Dalton

spoke in court about the class-action lawsuit, was analogous to Dalton

swearing at someone in court, which many judges would call contempt, he
said.

Anyone who participates in a court proceeding is subject to the rules
of
contempt, whether in or out of court.

Paul Levy, an attorney with Public Citizen, said the wording was
"obviously
bad judgment on Dalton's part.''

"But judges shouldn't be making people pay for expressing themselves,
even
if it's in an offensive manner.''

Dalton was criticizing the $21.8 million settlement of a class-action
lawsuit involving nearly 123,000 customers of Ricart Properties and its

used-car affiliate, Pay Days. Marbley approved the deal last month.

Dalton was not a party to the lawsuit but is a longtime Ricart critic
who
runs a Web site that takes the auto dealer to task. In the e-mail, he
said
the settlement didn't pay victims enough and that many weren't even
aware
of it.

"You were responsible for ensuring the fairness of the settlement,''
Dalton
told the judge. "I am unsure as to whether it was a lack of competence
or
your ego or a combination of both that resulted in thousands of
citizens
getting screwed.''

Dalton's attorney, Eric E. Willison, had filed a brief arguing the
e-mail
was not contempt but Dalton venting his frustration. Dalton agreed to
drop
the matter because he thinks his overall message wasn't rejected and
that
it was better to not fight the case, Willison said.

kmayhood@dispatch.com

mniquette@dispatch.com


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n0cmonkey

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If people paid attention they would have known that MTV was producing the half time show. One glance at that channel should have given everyone a hint of what to expect: booty and bad music. With just a little thought, people would realize that this may not be what they want their children to be exposed to and would have changed the channel.

Knowing that HS is an idiot, most people would stop listening to him, or never turn him on at all.

Knowing that most entertainment is considered trash by the religious reich, most people would not bother with it.

Just because a kid doesn't have a parent that gives a damn doesn't mean it is my responsibility to keep that kid out of trouble. I didn't have sex with the kid's mom.
 

n0cmonkey

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I saw a politician saying "HOLY CRAP" on tv! I'm offended! Holy is a reference to doG. WHERE IS THE FCC NOW?