The end is near...

[RichPLS]

Two dozen House Republicans have publicly criticized the GOP leadership's plan to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling by attaching language to a filibuster-proof budget measure. In a letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and other House leaders, the rebel GOPers -- including three committee chairs -- wrote that the budget process "is an inappropriate venue to be debating this important environmental issue." While the House has repeatedly approved plans to drill in the Arctic Refuge in recent years, the threat of a filibuster in the Senate has always stymied such efforts.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/10/...refuge.ap/index.html?section=cnn_space
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What if you were to map the states from which those two dozen republicans come?

You Know its Bad...
When Republicans have to resort to calling themselves "rational" and "moderate".

 

[zendari]

RINOs making their typical fuss. Happens from time to time.

 

[5LiterMustang]

owell...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Every now and again a politician gets it right in spite of themselves.

Good. Drilling ANWR won't fix a thing. Too little too late.

If they were really interested in doing something about energy they could have spent a fraction of what they did to get Saddam, which would have been many many times more than it gets now.

 

[RichPLS]

Clinton spent big bucks on drilling, and came up with no oil...just scandles. [/shrugs]

 

[judasmachine]

some people will not be happy until we've sucked our host dry. and apparently they don't care if they have to vacation next to an oil rig. apparently these people have never spent any time around one. the original digging rig blows sand, water, and other various substances hundreds of feet. they pollute in various ways, and the ground around them becomes barren for quite a while. the resulting pump isn't too bad, but they are noisy. but what can you expect from the "pave the planet" crowd.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
some people will not be happy until we've sucked our host dry. and apparently they don't care if they have to vacation next to an oil rig. apparently these people have never spent any time around one. the original digging rig blows sand, water, and other various substances hundreds of feet. they pollute in various ways, and the ground around them becomes barren for quite a while. the resulting pump isn't too bad, but they are noisy. but what can you expect from the "pave the planet" crowd.

Nobody vacations in ANWR.

As for the drill rigs... I've seen pleanty of them.
(<---- spent lots of time in Prudhoe Bay)
The area around them is no more barren than it was beore they got there. Whatever noise the pumps make doesn't seem to bother the little woodland critters as they can be seen climbing all over the equipment.

I don't think you guys understand just how environmentally conscious/regulated these people are. If they spill a cup of coffee they have to file paperwork and organize a clean up crew. (You think I'm joking but it's pretty much like that)

I say drill it. The oil coming out of ANWR could cut our dependence on ME oil by almost half. Add alternative energy into the mix and that dependence is further reduced.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: RichPLS
Clinton spent big bucks on drilling, and came up with no oil...just scandles. [/shrugs]

:laugh:

I just got that.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: judasmachine
some people will not be happy until we've sucked our host dry. and apparently they don't care if they have to vacation next to an oil rig. apparently these people have never spent any time around one. the original digging rig blows sand, water, and other various substances hundreds of feet. they pollute in various ways, and the ground around them becomes barren for quite a while. the resulting pump isn't too bad, but they are noisy. but what can you expect from the "pave the planet" crowd.

Nobody vacations in ANWR.

As for the drill rigs... I've seen pleanty of them.
(<---- spent lots of time in Prudhoe Bay)
The area around them is no more barren than it was beore they got there. Whatever noise the pumps make doesn't seem to bother the little woodland critters as they can be seen climbing all over the equipment.

I don't think you guys understand just how environmentally conscious/regulated these people are. If they spill a cup of coffee they have to file paperwork and organize a clean up crew. (You think I'm joking but it's pretty much like that)

I say drill it. The oil coming out of ANWR could cut our dependence on ME oil by almost half. Add alternative energy into the mix and that dependence is further reduced.

I've worked on them bub. No one fills out crap, they even smoke on the damn things, and the butts littler the place. They have to level a good aread and keep it dirt for the trucks and supplies. It's like standing in hell, and believe me that's not far from the truth. Here in TX yeah the noise isn't that bad unless you're seeking quiet. Anyway there isn't any following of rules on the rig, you just do your sh*t and go home (if you can, sometimes you have to live there for several weeks which makes it's own mess) Hell being a roughneck for a while is what made me seek real education.

I will grant you that maybe on the Gulf, and in until now protected land it may be differant, but the ones I worked her in the TX Panhandle are manned by meth monsters, and guys that don't give a **** about anything but their paychecks. They even busted one that had a meth lab in the porty (portable office).

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: judasmachine
some people will not be happy until we've sucked our host dry. and apparently they don't care if they have to vacation next to an oil rig. apparently these people have never spent any time around one. the original digging rig blows sand, water, and other various substances hundreds of feet. they pollute in various ways, and the ground around them becomes barren for quite a while. the resulting pump isn't too bad, but they are noisy. but what can you expect from the "pave the planet" crowd.

Nobody vacations in ANWR.

As for the drill rigs... I've seen pleanty of them.
(<---- spent lots of time in Prudhoe Bay)
The area around them is no more barren than it was beore they got there. Whatever noise the pumps make doesn't seem to bother the little woodland critters as they can be seen climbing all over the equipment.

I don't think you guys understand just how environmentally conscious/regulated these people are. If they spill a cup of coffee they have to file paperwork and organize a clean up crew. (You think I'm joking but it's pretty much like that)

I say drill it. The oil coming out of ANWR could cut our dependence on ME oil by almost half. Add alternative energy into the mix and that dependence is further reduced.

I've worked on them bub. No one fills out crap, they even smoke on the damn things, and the butts littler the place. They have to level a good aread and keep it dirt for the trucks and supplies. It's like standing in hell, and believe me that's not far from the truth. Here in TX yeah the noise isn't that bad unless you're seeking quiet. Anyway there isn't any following of rules on the rig, you just do your sh*t and go home (if you can, sometimes you have to live there for several weeks which makes it's own mess) Hell being a roughneck for a while is what made me seek real education.

I've never seen how you guys do it in Texas, all I know is how it's done up here. I've been on the drill rigs myself... It's hardly like standing in hell. Do you guys use mobile rigs? Our rigs drive out to the well head (in the winter so as not to disturb the tundra) tap it, pull the oil, re-cap it and move on. When they're done all you have is a well head.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: judasmachine
some people will not be happy until we've sucked our host dry. and apparently they don't care if they have to vacation next to an oil rig. apparently these people have never spent any time around one. the original digging rig blows sand, water, and other various substances hundreds of feet. they pollute in various ways, and the ground around them becomes barren for quite a while. the resulting pump isn't too bad, but they are noisy. but what can you expect from the "pave the planet" crowd.

Nobody vacations in ANWR.

As for the drill rigs... I've seen pleanty of them.
(<---- spent lots of time in Prudhoe Bay)
The area around them is no more barren than it was beore they got there. Whatever noise the pumps make doesn't seem to bother the little woodland critters as they can be seen climbing all over the equipment.

I don't think you guys understand just how environmentally conscious/regulated these people are. If they spill a cup of coffee they have to file paperwork and organize a clean up crew. (You think I'm joking but it's pretty much like that)

I say drill it. The oil coming out of ANWR could cut our dependence on ME oil by almost half. Add alternative energy into the mix and that dependence is further reduced.

I've worked on them bub. No one fills out crap, they even smoke on the damn things, and the butts littler the place. They have to level a good aread and keep it dirt for the trucks and supplies. It's like standing in hell, and believe me that's not far from the truth. Here in TX yeah the noise isn't that bad unless you're seeking quiet. Anyway there isn't any following of rules on the rig, you just do your sh*t and go home (if you can, sometimes you have to live there for several weeks which makes it's own mess) Hell being a roughneck for a while is what made me seek real education.

I've never seen how you guys do it in Texas, all I know is how it's done up here. I've been on the drill rigs myself... It's hardly like standing in hell. Do you guys use mobile rigs? Our rigs drive out to the well head (in the winter so as not to disturb the tundra) tap it, pull the oil, re-cap it and move on. When they're done all you have is a well head.

read my edit. and its good to hear someone runs a clean ship. yeah we used the lighter ones.

 

[DealMonkey]

LOL, "rebel GOPers" -- I got a mental picture of guys in suits driving an old charger with dixie flags emblazoned on the doors.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

ANWR was created specifically to be drilled. It was a small piece carved out of a nowhere area of Alaska.

My beef with the whole issue is, why in the hell does Washington have any right to tell Alaskan's how they can use the lands within their state?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
ANWR was created specifically to be drilled. It was a small piece carved out of a nowhere area of Alaska.

My beef with the whole issue is, why in the hell does Washington have any right to tell Alaskan's how they can use the lands within their state?

Isnt it a "federal" wildlife preserve?

 

[BushBasha]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
ANWR was created specifically to be drilled. It was a small piece carved out of a nowhere area of Alaska.

My beef with the whole issue is, why in the hell does Washington have any right to tell Alaskan's how they can use the lands within their state?

:heart:

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: judasmachine
some people will not be happy until we've sucked our host dry. and apparently they don't care if they have to vacation next to an oil rig. apparently these people have never spent any time around one. the original digging rig blows sand, water, and other various substances hundreds of feet. they pollute in various ways, and the ground around them becomes barren for quite a while. the resulting pump isn't too bad, but they are noisy. but what can you expect from the "pave the planet" crowd.

Nobody vacations in ANWR.

As for the drill rigs... I've seen pleanty of them.
(<---- spent lots of time in Prudhoe Bay)
The area around them is no more barren than it was beore they got there. Whatever noise the pumps make doesn't seem to bother the little woodland critters as they can be seen climbing all over the equipment.

I don't think you guys understand just how environmentally conscious/regulated these people are. If they spill a cup of coffee they have to file paperwork and organize a clean up crew. (You think I'm joking but it's pretty much like that)

I say drill it. The oil coming out of ANWR could cut our dependence on ME oil by almost half. Add alternative energy into the mix and that dependence is further reduced.

I've worked on them bub. No one fills out crap, they even smoke on the damn things, and the butts littler the place. They have to level a good aread and keep it dirt for the trucks and supplies. It's like standing in hell, and believe me that's not far from the truth. Here in TX yeah the noise isn't that bad unless you're seeking quiet. Anyway there isn't any following of rules on the rig, you just do your sh*t and go home (if you can, sometimes you have to live there for several weeks which makes it's own mess) Hell being a roughneck for a while is what made me seek real education.

I've never seen how you guys do it in Texas, all I know is how it's done up here. I've been on the drill rigs myself... It's hardly like standing in hell. Do you guys use mobile rigs? Our rigs drive out to the well head (in the winter so as not to disturb the tundra) tap it, pull the oil, re-cap it and move on. When they're done all you have is a well head.

read my edit. and its good to hear someone runs a clean ship. yeah we used the lighter ones.

Just read it. Ouch. Sounds bad.
Purdhoe has zero tolerance on that crap. Alcohol is banned. In Prudhoe if you're caught with an (as in one, single, solo) UNOPENED beer in your room you're fired and put on the next plane out. If you're a contractor, you and your entire crew will be on the next plane out and you will not be allowed back.

 

[judasmachine]

That's the policy here, but it's simply not enforced. Everyone is at least an alcoholic. But that's Texas for ya.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
That's the policy here, but it's simply not enforced. Everyone is at least an alcoholic. But that's Texas for ya.

Oh boy, when do they bring in the Coke Fiends and Crackheads ?

Never mind, they went to Washington . . . .

 

[RichPLS]

Some are picketing outside the Crawford Ranch. [/cheap shot]

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: RichPLS
Some are picketing outside the Crawford Ranch. [/cheap shot]

and some live there........

 

[piasabird]

I bet these 2 dozen people did not walk to work!!!

 

[RichPLS]

No, they work from home. [work=diabolically plot]

 

[ToeJam13]

One major issue with drilling in the ANWR is that the energy companies are free to sell their product on the open market. Granted, much of it will be processed in the western US. However, nothing prevents them from selling the oil to Japan or China. There is no language in a bill that could prevent them from doing so either because there would be fifty different loopholes.

A second issue is that this sets a precedence for ignoring what wildlife refuges are supposed to be - a place that is hands off from human development. A conservative view of the wildlife refuge laws states that any land that has been spoiled by human hand cannot be a federal wilderness. It must be protected under weaker regulation.

Alaskans often say that they are in favor of the drilling, that the rigs and roads would have a minimal footprint. They also say that the only wildlife up there are mosquitoes. They tell the rest of the US to mind their own business.

Well, Alaska is part of the United States. If they don't like it, they should break away. That said, leaving the United States would loose their ability to fleece the federal government for multi-million dollar bridges. Something the oil companies should have paid for but didn't. Record profits and all that makes it difficult to help the state that made them rich.

Anyways, the only thing drilling up there would do is keep prices level until alternate technologies naturally come down in price. Fuel cells are getting cheaper, but material prices (such as platinum) are keeping the prices high until scientists can devise methods to use less of these expensive materials. Solar cells are also getting cheaper with new generations using less silicon than ever. Alternate solar technologies have also been devised that don't use traditional collectors, lowering the cost further. Lastly, Thorium nuclear reactors create next to no waste, and can using existing nuclear waste as a seed product. With Thorium at around $8/lb, it?s cheap. And it?s plentiful.

 

[CaptnKirk]

10 years before the first oil is up for refining, and as I recall Alaska oil, North Slope and ANWAR is of the 'High Sulpher' variety,
that we do not process for use in the united states except for a very limited amout used in specific lubricants.
Most is sold directly to Japan, but there may be more profit to be made selling to China.
Maybe China will offer to buy ANWAR so they can try stripmining for it there.

So much more could have been done by this 'Do-Nothing' Congress if the 'Energy Bill' would not have been about awarding
themselves with special interests, and concentrating on requiring an extra MPH from a Hummer,
instead of a tax break to those who buy gas hogs.

 

[RichPLS]

Well, Alaska is part of the United States. If they don't like it, they should break away. That said, leaving the United States would loose their ability to fleece the federal government for multi-million dollar bridges. Something the oil companies should have paid for but didn't. Record profits and all that makes it difficult to help the state that made them rich.

The Alaskan highway was built from a request by the Defense Dept. in order to defend the NorthWest territory from hostile occupation.