The Elop Effect

[BladeVenom]

Elop: but they *need* us...

Even if he were right, that a third choice will be wanted, Blackberry is in 3rd place, not Windows. It would be good news for RIM, not Nokia.

Now maybe if a fourth choice was wanted...

 

[dagamer34]

Even if he were right, that a third choice will be wanted, Blackberry is in 3rd place, not Windows. It would be good news for RIM, not Nokia.

Now maybe if a fourth choice was wanted...

1 company can endlessly pump cash into their OS.
1 company has only a few quarters of reserve cash left.

1 company is shipping their OS this year before the holiday season.
1 company is shipping their OS next year after the holiday season.

1 company has shown off several phones that you can soon buy.
1 company still is showing off prototypes.

Market percentages are a snapshot in time. They don't predict who is going up or down.

 

[zephxiii]

Uhg, Nokia should have had Android phones, good nexus like ones. Putting your eggs all into one basket on an OS that is not as functional (apps), or is as popular as the 2 leading ones is 🙁.

And yes i have iPhone 4, HTC Surround, Nexus One, Atrix 2 and I could not live day to day on windows phone..

 

[Rayb]

The thing about Verizon is that they had a WELL KNOWN rift with Microsoft stemming from the Kin fiasco. Nokia should have known that Verizon would be slow to adopt windows phones. Going with WP7 exclusively was the worst decision possible.

You can say that again! It's a shame that their customers don't take matters into their own hands, instead they blame everybody but themselves, make your wishes known to the corporation. Verizon has had a long history for sticking crap you don't want or need on your phone that the average customer can't get rid of easily, other than rooting it that is. If you don't comply you're shown to the door. (this article is from about a year ago)

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395339,00.asp

Here we are today and it looks that Verizon once again, is up to its old tricks...
http://www.webpronews.com/verizon-might-cancel-its-entire-windows-phone-8-line-rumor-2012-10

 

[OBLAMA2009]

It was folly to just focus on Windows Phone 7. This is what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket. What they should have done was make both WP7 and Android phones. This exclusivity didn't get them anything, especially now that Microsoft is making their own hardware.

android would have meant instant success. a new design like lumia running android would have sold very well. it was stupid to tied their entire business to an os that has zero market share at the time and to only one carrier

 

[quest55720]

android would have meant instant success. a new design like lumia running android would have sold very well. it was stupid to tied their entire business to an os that has zero market share at the time and to only one carrier

No it would of not the only android phone maker making money is Samsung. Nokia phones are the opposite of the samsung phones that are dominating the android market. They got a billion dollars to make exclusive phones for MS. You really think they would of sold enough beefed up 800s and 900s against the GS3 to net a billion dollars?

 

[Red Storm]

No it would of not the only android phone maker making money is Samsung. Nokia phones are the opposite of the samsung phones that are dominating the android market. They got a billion dollars to make exclusive phones for MS. You really think they would of sold enough beefed up 800s and 900s against the GS3 to net a billion dollars?

If they were entering the Android market it would not have been now, months after the GS3 release. It would have been way earlier, and if Nokia was smart they could definitely avoid the mistakes that HTC and Moto both made.

Fact is they took the money and have not been successful. It's beyond ridiculous that Microsoft + Nokia couldn't beat the old Windows Mobile in marketshare.

 

[Skel]

If they were entering the Android market it would not have been now, months after the GS3 release. It would have been way earlier, and if Nokia was smart they could definitely avoid the mistakes that HTC and Moto both made.

Fact is they took the money and have not been successful. It's beyond ridiculous that Microsoft + Nokia couldn't beat the old Windows Mobile in marketshare.

Not really.. People still on the old WM phones probably aren't fast adopters of new phones or tech, or they wouldn't be running WM. If the carriers wouldn't drop support of old phones I'm sure we'd see a ton of people running around using old dumb phones.

 

[preslove]

No it would of not the only android phone maker making money is Samsung. Nokia phones are the opposite of the samsung phones that are dominating the android market. They got a billion dollars to make exclusive phones for MS. You really think they would of sold enough beefed up 800s and 900s against the GS3 to net a billion dollars?

Nokia was at that point light-years ahead of any android manufacturer in terms of industrial design. Their phones were and still are top-tier aesthetic handsets. They would have definitely net $1 billion by owning the android space in Europe and making inroads into North America. They could have stolen Samsung's thunder, for sure.

 

[BladeVenom]

1 company can endlessly pump cash into their OS.
1 company has only a few quarters of reserve cash left.

MS may have an almost endless supply of money, but Nokia doesn't. MS may be making their own smartphone if rumors are to be believed. I don't think that would help Nokia.

1 company has shown off several phones that you can soon buy.
1 company still is showing off prototypes.

Nokia has already had Windows 7 phones out, which was suppose to be their salvation, and they failed miserably. What reason is there to believe their Windows 8 phones are going to do any better?

I'd say the buzz about BB10 is at least a bit better than that of Windows 8. Most of the news about Windows 8 is negative, although it's about the desktop, it will still affect the perception of their phones.

 

[zephxiii]

Windows phone 8 or windows 8 anything just isn't exciting.

Windows 8 is probably going to be annoying if anything lol.

Windows phone 8 needs to come up to the same functionality as iOS and Android if it wants to be a player. WP7 not up to that level atm.

 

[WelshBloke]

No it would of not the only android phone maker making money is Samsung. Nokia phones are the opposite of the samsung phones that are dominating the android market. They got a billion dollars to make exclusive phones for MS. You really think they would of sold enough beefed up 800s and 900s against the GS3 to net a billion dollars?

Thing is though they are competing with Samsung in the WP space as well.

Whats to stop Samsung slapping WP on a Galaxy S3 and leveraging all the mind share they have already got?