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The Elop Effect

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s44 said:
Not sure if it's Elop's fault so much as WP7 turning out to be a dog. If the game was WP8 all along, as MS fans now claim, why the heck did Nokia make its switch SO far in advance with no real transition strategy?

If WP8 succeeds, I see Samsung and HTC reaping a lot of those rewards too. It's sorta no-win for Nokia.
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Yeap. I think it's more of an issue with the WP branding..
 
HOW ABOUT A GODDAMN FLAGSHIP PHONE ON VERIZON FFS?!!?

THE 822 AIN'T IT, GIVE ME THE PUREVIEW AND THE 920!

edit: boo! Auto all caps removal!
edit2: victory
 
Red Storm said:
They should have jumped on the Android bandwagon IMHO. Instead they took something like $250 million from Microsoft to only do Windows. Stupid move.
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That's 1 Billion, $250 Million/quarter, as opposed to taking whatever crumbs leftover with android and liability of patent infringement.

Just ask Samsung or HTC how much are they paying Microsoft for every Android phone.
 
dagamer34 said:
I've never seen a company support multiple operating systems equally. Whenever you look internally, one ALWAYS gets more support than the other.

It is not a coincidence that most of the OEMs that have made Android tablets in the past are now jumping on the Windows 8/RT train with far more interesting designs. We never saw anything like the Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga or Sony Vaio Duo 11 when those companies were making Android tablets. And none of those companies certainly came out with 3-4 different models at a time.

Companies don't do separate product teams with equal development resources very well.
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What difference does it make?

It means that the phone manufacturer has an income stream no matter which mobile OS is popular.
 
No flagship Windows 7(soon to be no 8 flagship either) phone from Nokia on Verizon probably did more to hurt Nokia than any other misstep
 
Rayb said:
That's 1 Billion, $250 Million/quarter, as opposed to taking whatever crumbs leftover with android and liability of patent infringement.

Just ask Samsung or HTC how much are they paying Microsoft for every Android phone.
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Fact is though that they are doing much, much worse now than when they were with symbian. If they had taken Android on as an OS I think they would be in a much stronger position, particularly in the EU where both Android and Nokia are popular.
 
WelshBloke said:
Fact is though that they are doing much, much worse now than when they were with symbian. If they had taken Android on as an OS I think they would be in a much stronger position, particularly in the EU where both Android and Nokia are popular.
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I doubt it they would be crushed by samsung like every other android phone maker. Samsung has the hearts and minds of the android market. Would not suprise me to see some of the android phone makers to go hard at WP8.
 
quest55720 said:
I doubt it they would be crushed by samsung like every other android phone maker. Samsung has the hearts and minds of the android market. Would not suprise me to see some of the android phone makers to go hard at WP8.
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I think you're underestimating the worth of the Nokia brand in the EU.

Nokia were ( 🙁 ) a huge, huge presence in the telecom market here.
 
BladeVenom said:
Nokia was number one for 14 years. If they had gone Android they might have stayed number one.
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Lets say they went android and brought out the 900 with a high res screen and modern SOC. You really think that would of competed with the S3? No one on the android side can compete with samsung right now. You can bring out a better phone but still get crushed by samsung like the HTC X ONE. It might of cost them a billion dollars but them using apple inspired designs in the S2 days won them the mind share that is not changing. Nokia does not make the kind of phones that would sell on the andoid market place right now. Even the 920 with android would be poorly recieved by the general android market. It is to thick, heavy, not big enough battery, to small screen and to much bezzle.
 
quest55720 said:
Lets say they went android and brought out the 900 with a high res screen and modern SOC. You really think that would of competed with the S3? No one on the android side can compete with samsung right now. You can bring out a better phone but still get crushed by samsung like the HTC X ONE. It might of cost them a billion dollars but them using apple inspired designs in the S2 days won them the mind share that is not changing. Nokia does not make the kind of phones that would sell on the andoid market place right now. Even the 920 with android would be poorly recieved by the general android market. It is to thick, heavy, not big enough battery, to small screen and to much bezzle.
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Yeah, I think they would have sold a butt-ton of them, particularly if Nokia put as much work into the software that they normally do.

Edit: I certainly think they would have sold more than the WP version.
 
quest55720 said:
Lets say they went android and brought out the 900 with a high res screen and modern SOC. You really think that would of competed with the S3? No one on the android side can compete with samsung right now. You can bring out a better phone but still get crushed by samsung like the HTC X ONE. It might of cost them a billion dollars but them using apple inspired designs in the S2 days won them the mind share that is not changing. Nokia does not make the kind of phones that would sell on the andoid market place right now. Even the 920 with android would be poorly recieved by the general android market. It is to thick, heavy, not big enough battery, to small screen and to much bezzle.
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It's important to note things like marketing (I think I've seen a single One X commercial compared to many many Samsung commercials), availability (One X isn't on Verizon, only the largest carrier in the US), and branding (HTC really screwed the pooch here, while Samsung did the opposite and got their crap together).
 
WelshBloke said:
Yeah, I think they would have sold a butt-ton of them, particularly if Nokia put as much work into the software that they normally do.

Edit: I certainly think they would have sold more than the WP version.
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The LG Optimus G has better hardware than the Samsung Galaxy S III International version. If you were to start counting today, which do you think would sell more?
 
dagamer34 said:
The LG Optimus G has better hardware than the Samsung Galaxy S III International version. If you were to start counting today, which do you think would sell more?
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That's a pretty obvious question. Samsung didn't just become the top Android player over night, they made a lot of smart decisions that have brought them to where they are. They turned up their marketing, they consolidated all the crazy naming (for the most part), and they made their phone available just about everywhere.
 
Red Storm said:
That's a pretty obvious question. Samsung didn't just become the top Android player over night, they made a lot of smart decisions that have brought them to where they are. They turned up their marketing, they consolidated all the crazy naming (for the most part), and they made their phone available just about everywhere.
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I think you have that flipped in reverse. Samsung didn't get the right to carry the Galaxy S on all carriers because their phones were good, all of the US carriers gave them that deal because they desperately needed to compete with the iPhone back in 2010. I'm sure if you had given that kind of deal to Motorola, HTC, or LG, it would be them on top of the Android mountain right now.
 
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WelshBloke said:
Fact is though that they are doing much, much worse now than when they were with symbian. If they had taken Android on as an OS I think they would be in a much stronger position, particularly in the EU where both Android and Nokia are popular.
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I can only offer you to take a look at HTC or LG for example and try to spin Android as a savior for Nokia. It has been a painful transition for Nokia but it had to be made sooner rather than later, as things didn't look so good long term with Symbian or Meego despite naysayers. To be the market leader it once was, it had to be different and not one of the bunch, Microsoft with WP7 offered that even if it was half baked. To top it off, getting paid to do it, wasn't a bad deal at all.

Without a market presence in the US it was hardly a sustainable enterprise, the Lumia line for what it is today, it gave them a small foothold once again. The WP7 fiasco can be blamed on Microsoft for their shortsighted outlook, who could've predicted that they had to recode WP8 from scratch (hindsight being 20/20 and all that). You can't you say for certain that with Android things would have been different, just because Nokia choose a path less traveled.

Things are not as dire as some might predict, the Asha line still sold 76.6 million devices and Nokia Siemens Networks is making a profit. Also NAVTEQ was profitable, but NAVTEQ´s number will be better in 4Q because of the new deals with Oracle, Amazon and many car companies. Not to mention the long awaited release of the newest Lumia line world wide for the holiday season.
 
quest55720 said:
Lets say they went android and brought out the 900 with a high res screen and modern SOC. You really think that would of competed with the S3? No one on the android side can compete with samsung right now. You can bring out a better phone but still get crushed by samsung like the HTC X ONE.
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Nokia has always been more popular than HTC. Until recently they were more popular than Samsung. If anyone could have beaten Samsung in the Android market it would have been Nokia. Now we'll never now.

Even if they couldn't have beaten Samsung, Android was still a better choice than Windows. I think even MeeGo was. Even their old outdated Symbian phones are still more popular than their Windows phones.
 
BladeVenom said:
Nokia has always been more popular than HTC. Until recently they were more popular than Samsung. If anyone could have beaten Samsung in the Android market it would have been Nokia. Now we'll never now.

Even if they couldn't have beaten Samsung, Android was still a better choice than Windows. I think even MeeGo was. Even their old outdated Symbian phones are still more popular than their Windows phones.
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Especially when you ignore more than half of the US mobile market.

I would pay full retail for a Lumia 920 on Verizon today if it were available. Instead I will keep on using my HTC Trophy.
 
The thing about Verizon is that they had a WELL KNOWN rift with Microsoft stemming from the Kin fiasco. Nokia should have known that Verizon would be slow to adopt windows phones. Going with WP7 exclusively was the worst decision possible.
 
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