Nemesis 1
Lifer
- Dec 30, 2006
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No I been aware for as long as I can remember. I recognized at a very early age what true evil was. I also realized that man . Can't stop there plan . As its almost perfect . Ya every play Monoply. Well your out of the game fella. Whether you want to except it or not.
So their is only ONE left to rule all. They have indeed won the board. As all games always lead to their victory . But in their arragance. They leave a flaw. One opening.
In monoply Even tho the the board has been won . As they have won it. Their is still the jailer to deal with . I very much doubt the jailer is corrupt.
So their is only ONE left to rule all. They have indeed won the board. As all games always lead to their victory . But in their arragance. They leave a flaw. One opening.
In monoply Even tho the the board has been won . As they have won it. Their is still the jailer to deal with . I very much doubt the jailer is corrupt.
We Americans can pretend that America is our own world and we buy things from each other. China makes alot of shit but as a result of Americans saving their money , their economy is going to the shitter. You must have a production and consuming economy not just one of the other. Long lvie the Soviet Union, a nation of Self-Suffiency, and long live the Swiss to, a nation of neutrality and non intervention.
You mean we eclipsed a dying empire using protectionism? Those 40% tarif's were because of a lack of a federal income tax. And our standards of living have grown greatly since liberalization of our markets and world view post WWII.
That said it isnt like we were completely isolationist before WWII. But lets take an example of a protectionist move and see the result. Smoot-Hawley tariff act of 1930. The result was it helped to send the entire world into a great depression, bring the Nazi's to power, and killed 100 million people from the resulting war.
+100 fatality for protectionism!
Heh the Soviet Union which relied on black markets to sustain their centrally controlled economy. What a model for all of us to strive for.
Actually free trade was rampant until the 1870's when Tarrifs were put back in place due to the 1873-1895 depression(funny enough caused by alot of the same things that are causing this one).. Post 1895 was really a boom across the board as the mainly agricultural societies of most of Europe exported food and imported the items needed to become industrialized from Western Europe and the US.
These tarrifs were taken down again after 1895 due to different reasons, chief among them were population increase, rise in income, wage increases, drops in price of manufacturing goods, mass marketing, and the advancement of Consumerism.
It has been said the implementation of tarrifs made the 1873-1895 depression much longer than it should have been, as well as the 1930 depression longer.
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
Originally posted by: RichardE
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
You're ignoring my point on China and a result of a "consumer" economy as a result of "free" trade.
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
You're ignoring my point on China and a result of a "consumer" economy as a result of "free" trade.
What point was that? You didn't make one. You stated China is loosing ground due to a lack of spending, which has exactly what to do with the problem of free trade?
Heres a question, where would China be without free trade? Still eating rice from bowls as 99% of its society lived in agricultural land. Even *if* China's economy contracted say....40% they would still be better off because of free trade.
You are trying to tie economic cycles and economic reasoning to a direct result of free trade which makes no sense. It's as if you don't even have a basic understand of what free trade is, what markets are, what are some of the reasons of this downturn, why china factories are closing among other things.
So if you have a point about China, I would love to hear it, as such you just rambled on about something that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
You're ignoring my point on China and a result of a "consumer" economy as a result of "free" trade.
What point was that? You didn't make one. You stated China is loosing ground due to a lack of spending, which has exactly what to do with the problem of free trade?
Heres a question, where would China be without free trade? Still eating rice from bowls as 99% of its society lived in agricultural land. Even *if* China's economy contracted say....40% they would still be better off because of free trade.
You are trying to tie economic cycles and economic reasoning to a direct result of free trade which makes no sense. It's as if you don't even have a basic understand of what free trade is, what markets are, what are some of the reasons of this downturn, why china factories are closing among other things.
So if you have a point about China, I would love to hear it, as such you just rambled on about something that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
If you look at how the Soviet Union got to become a superpower it was through rapid industrialization, and modernization like the hydroelectric power plant in Ukraine. China was backwards society based on leaders after its Communist revolution.
Industrialization, modernization, and advanced technology through scientific ambitions like space travel (internet came out of this), is the key to gaining a successful economy, not some libertarian monetarist fetish of "free" trade.
Norway had a 2008 nominal GDP of 102000$ son, and guess what? it isn't part of this European Union "free" trade fetish.
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
You're ignoring my point on China and a result of a "consumer" economy as a result of "free" trade.
What point was that? You didn't make one. You stated China is loosing ground due to a lack of spending, which has exactly what to do with the problem of free trade?
Heres a question, where would China be without free trade? Still eating rice from bowls as 99% of its society lived in agricultural land. Even *if* China's economy contracted say....40% they would still be better off because of free trade.
You are trying to tie economic cycles and economic reasoning to a direct result of free trade which makes no sense. It's as if you don't even have a basic understand of what free trade is, what markets are, what are some of the reasons of this downturn, why china factories are closing among other things.
So if you have a point about China, I would love to hear it, as such you just rambled on about something that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
If you look at how the Soviet Union got to become a superpower it was through rapid industrialization, and modernization like the hydroelectric power plant in Ukraine. China was backwards society based on leaders after its Communist revolution.
Industrialization, modernization, and advanced technology through scientific ambitions like space travel (internet came out of this), is the key to gaining a successful economy, not some libertarian monetarist fetish of "free" trade.
The soviet Union became a superpower from raping the nations it acquired during WW2. I imagine increasing its size through its sphere of influence negated the need for free trade at the time because, well, it had just squired easy trade with a ton of nations.
Though I do find it funny you want to support a Soviet style of communism that really had nothing to do with protectionism (They still importeted/exported) and say it is better than the US model, when the USSR is now adopting a US model of economy and publicly proclaiming it as the better model and decrying trade barriers.
Funny too how China only started its rise in power after opening its markets...
So you still haven't actually made a point.
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
You're ignoring my point on China and a result of a "consumer" economy as a result of "free" trade.
What point was that? You didn't make one. You stated China is loosing ground due to a lack of spending, which has exactly what to do with the problem of free trade?
Heres a question, where would China be without free trade? Still eating rice from bowls as 99% of its society lived in agricultural land. Even *if* China's economy contracted say....40% they would still be better off because of free trade.
You are trying to tie economic cycles and economic reasoning to a direct result of free trade which makes no sense. It's as if you don't even have a basic understand of what free trade is, what markets are, what are some of the reasons of this downturn, why china factories are closing among other things.
So if you have a point about China, I would love to hear it, as such you just rambled on about something that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
If you look at how the Soviet Union got to become a superpower it was through rapid industrialization, and modernization like the hydroelectric power plant in Ukraine. China was backwards society based on leaders after its Communist revolution.
Industrialization, modernization, and advanced technology through scientific ambitions like space travel (internet came out of this), is the key to gaining a successful economy, not some libertarian monetarist fetish of "free" trade.
Norway had a 2008 nominal GDP of 102000$ son, and guess what? it isn't part of this European Union "free" trade fetish.
Main reason for that horrible depression is that the money was deflated by over 90%. Watch the Money Masters in my signature for more Info.
Let's get back to the point instead of dealing with your emotional hypotheticals.
This OP is trying to laud the merits of unrestricted free trade as being good for everyone regardless of the circumstances.
I am merely pointing out that during certain periods of our own development, we relied very heavily on protectionist policies to jumpstart or protect our industries.
Sure once we became number #1, it was all about knocking down doors for our own industries to invade foreign markets and we cry foul whenever China or someone else imposes some restrictions on us.
But under certain circumstances, protectionist policies are what is best for the importing country.
I am all for a tariff on Chinese goods, I don't see any other way to combat them, they've been bending us over since Clinton opened the flood gates and will continue to do so to our own detriment.
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
You're ignoring my point on China and a result of a "consumer" economy as a result of "free" trade.
What point was that? You didn't make one. You stated China is loosing ground due to a lack of spending, which has exactly what to do with the problem of free trade?
Heres a question, where would China be without free trade? Still eating rice from bowls as 99% of its society lived in agricultural land. Even *if* China's economy contracted say....40% they would still be better off because of free trade.
You are trying to tie economic cycles and economic reasoning to a direct result of free trade which makes no sense. It's as if you don't even have a basic understand of what free trade is, what markets are, what are some of the reasons of this downturn, why china factories are closing among other things.
So if you have a point about China, I would love to hear it, as such you just rambled on about something that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
If you look at how the Soviet Union got to become a superpower it was through rapid industrialization, and modernization like the hydroelectric power plant in Ukraine. China was backwards society based on leaders after its Communist revolution.
Industrialization, modernization, and advanced technology through scientific ambitions like space travel (internet came out of this), is the key to gaining a successful economy, not some libertarian monetarist fetish of "free" trade.
Norway had a 2008 nominal GDP of 102000$ son, and guess what? it isn't part of this European Union "free" trade fetish.
Main reason for that horrible depression is that the money was deflated by over 90%. Watch the Money Masters in my signature for more Info.
Norway, Son, is a member of the the European Free Trade Association along with Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein and participates with the EU single market through the European Economic Area (EEA) accord. Norway has also adopted the rules for importing from the EU, it also imports and exports greatly with the United States.
Norway also has no rules keeping people from investing in its country.
So, Son, Norway is a beautifull example of free trade in action. You might want to actually check out the shit you sprout son before you do it.
Dumbfuck.
Nemesis 1
Lifer
- Dec 30, 2006
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Well If ya buy into almost everthing thats been writen about prophecy and such. Without seeing the missing piece . I can see all the confusion. Its for you to see the WHOLE trueth . BECAUSE we're a great part of it. Not prophecy. THe missing part . The Part that even the Overlord missed. Than I can see all the confusion. Many people believe were the beast. Much points to it. It makes them feel good about themseves and their plan. But scripture says which is incomplete in more than the fact they hid much. They don't know everthing. They don't know were its going to be safe. Sure ist't going to be Rome or the middle east. Its specific what happens to Rome.
The Cosmic alinement there waiting for . Dec. 21 2012 . Is suppose to be there victory for they believe themselves masters of the laylines. But they have been decieved and they errored and its to late to change there preperations. Arragance leads to everlasting damnation. For they don't comperhind that which was created in the fifth day.
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
You're ignoring my point on China and a result of a "consumer" economy as a result of "free" trade.
What point was that? You didn't make one. You stated China is loosing ground due to a lack of spending, which has exactly what to do with the problem of free trade?
Heres a question, where would China be without free trade? Still eating rice from bowls as 99% of its society lived in agricultural land. Even *if* China's economy contracted say....40% they would still be better off because of free trade.
You are trying to tie economic cycles and economic reasoning to a direct result of free trade which makes no sense. It's as if you don't even have a basic understand of what free trade is, what markets are, what are some of the reasons of this downturn, why china factories are closing among other things.
So if you have a point about China, I would love to hear it, as such you just rambled on about something that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
If you look at how the Soviet Union got to become a superpower it was through rapid industrialization, and modernization like the hydroelectric power plant in Ukraine. China was backwards society based on leaders after its Communist revolution.
Industrialization, modernization, and advanced technology through scientific ambitions like space travel (internet came out of this), is the key to gaining a successful economy, not some libertarian monetarist fetish of "free" trade.
Norway had a 2008 nominal GDP of 102000$ son, and guess what? it isn't part of this European Union "free" trade fetish.
Main reason for that horrible depression is that the money was deflated by over 90%. Watch the Money Masters in my signature for more Info.
Norway, Son, is a member of the the European Free Trade Association along with Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein and participates with the EU single market through the European Economic Area (EEA) accord. Norway has also adopted the rules for importing from the EU, it also imports and exports greatly with the United States.
Norway also has no rules keeping people from investing in its country.
So, Son, Norway is a beautifull example of free trade in action. You might want to actually check out the shit you sprout son before you do it.
Dumbfuck.
Hey jackass , Switzerland isn't a part of this "Free" Trade crap you're spewing too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
Norway is notorious for grave acts of Protectionism too. Well even after the formation of EEA , Libertardian.
http://www.aftenposten.no/engl...8447.ece?service=print
What about my earlier point of the 1870s depression being manipulated by the contraction of currency not Tariff, :roll:
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
You're ignoring my point on China and a result of a "consumer" economy as a result of "free" trade.
What point was that? You didn't make one. You stated China is loosing ground due to a lack of spending, which has exactly what to do with the problem of free trade?
Heres a question, where would China be without free trade? Still eating rice from bowls as 99% of its society lived in agricultural land. Even *if* China's economy contracted say....40% they would still be better off because of free trade.
You are trying to tie economic cycles and economic reasoning to a direct result of free trade which makes no sense. It's as if you don't even have a basic understand of what free trade is, what markets are, what are some of the reasons of this downturn, why china factories are closing among other things.
So if you have a point about China, I would love to hear it, as such you just rambled on about something that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
If you look at how the Soviet Union got to become a superpower it was through rapid industrialization, and modernization like the hydroelectric power plant in Ukraine. China was backwards society based on leaders after its Communist revolution.
Industrialization, modernization, and advanced technology through scientific ambitions like space travel (internet came out of this), is the key to gaining a successful economy, not some libertarian monetarist fetish of "free" trade.
Norway had a 2008 nominal GDP of 102000$ son, and guess what? it isn't part of this European Union "free" trade fetish.
Main reason for that horrible depression is that the money was deflated by over 90%. Watch the Money Masters in my signature for more Info.
Norway, Son, is a member of the the European Free Trade Association along with Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein and participates with the EU single market through the European Economic Area (EEA) accord. Norway has also adopted the rules for importing from the EU, it also imports and exports greatly with the United States.
Norway also has no rules keeping people from investing in its country.
So, Son, Norway is a beautifull example of free trade in action. You might want to actually check out the shit you sprout son before you do it.
Dumbfuck.
Hey jackass , Switzerland isn't a part of this "Free" Trade crap you're spewing too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
Norway is notorious for grave acts of Protectionism too. Well even after the formation of EEA , Libertardian.
http://www.aftenposten.no/engl...8447.ece?service=print
What about my earlier point of the 1870s depression being manipulated by the contraction of currency not Tariff, :roll:
Did you miss where I stated Switzerland was part of the European Free Trade Association...
Yeah, you must have missed that. It's ok, I repeated it for you.
Norway is a free trade country, sorry.
For someone who has to use wiki to discuss his values, I won't even bother discussing the 1870 depression with you since you obviously know nothing about it besides "zomg devaluing currency!"
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
You're ignoring my point on China and a result of a "consumer" economy as a result of "free" trade.
What point was that? You didn't make one. You stated China is loosing ground due to a lack of spending, which has exactly what to do with the problem of free trade?
Heres a question, where would China be without free trade? Still eating rice from bowls as 99% of its society lived in agricultural land. Even *if* China's economy contracted say....40% they would still be better off because of free trade.
You are trying to tie economic cycles and economic reasoning to a direct result of free trade which makes no sense. It's as if you don't even have a basic understand of what free trade is, what markets are, what are some of the reasons of this downturn, why china factories are closing among other things.
So if you have a point about China, I would love to hear it, as such you just rambled on about something that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
If you look at how the Soviet Union got to become a superpower it was through rapid industrialization, and modernization like the hydroelectric power plant in Ukraine. China was backwards society based on leaders after its Communist revolution.
Industrialization, modernization, and advanced technology through scientific ambitions like space travel (internet came out of this), is the key to gaining a successful economy, not some libertarian monetarist fetish of "free" trade.
Norway had a 2008 nominal GDP of 102000$ son, and guess what? it isn't part of this European Union "free" trade fetish.
Main reason for that horrible depression is that the money was deflated by over 90%. Watch the Money Masters in my signature for more Info.
Norway, Son, is a member of the the European Free Trade Association along with Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein and participates with the EU single market through the European Economic Area (EEA) accord. Norway has also adopted the rules for importing from the EU, it also imports and exports greatly with the United States.
Norway also has no rules keeping people from investing in its country.
So, Son, Norway is a beautifull example of free trade in action. You might want to actually check out the shit you sprout son before you do it.
Dumbfuck.
Hey jackass , Switzerland isn't a part of this "Free" Trade crap you're spewing too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
Norway is notorious for grave acts of Protectionism too. Well even after the formation of EEA , Libertardian.
http://www.aftenposten.no/engl...8447.ece?service=print
What about my earlier point of the 1870s depression being manipulated by the contraction of currency not Tariff, :roll:
Did you miss where I stated Switzerland was part of the European Free Trade Association...
Yeah, you must have missed that. It's ok, I repeated it for you.
Norway is a free trade country, sorry.
For someone who has to use wiki to discuss his values, I won't even bother discussing the 1870 depression with you since you obviously know nothing about it besides "zomg devaluing currency!"
The issue of contracting Currency is cited from the documentary the Money Masters not the mainstream Wikipedia. Just admit it, "free" trade is nothing more than a myth perpetuated by money/power hungry corporatists, who wish return much of civilization from a capitalist state to a fuedalistic one.
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
You're ignoring my point on China and a result of a "consumer" economy as a result of "free" trade.
What point was that? You didn't make one. You stated China is loosing ground due to a lack of spending, which has exactly what to do with the problem of free trade?
Heres a question, where would China be without free trade? Still eating rice from bowls as 99% of its society lived in agricultural land. Even *if* China's economy contracted say....40% they would still be better off because of free trade.
You are trying to tie economic cycles and economic reasoning to a direct result of free trade which makes no sense. It's as if you don't even have a basic understand of what free trade is, what markets are, what are some of the reasons of this downturn, why china factories are closing among other things.
So if you have a point about China, I would love to hear it, as such you just rambled on about something that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
If you look at how the Soviet Union got to become a superpower it was through rapid industrialization, and modernization like the hydroelectric power plant in Ukraine. China was backwards society based on leaders after its Communist revolution.
Industrialization, modernization, and advanced technology through scientific ambitions like space travel (internet came out of this), is the key to gaining a successful economy, not some libertarian monetarist fetish of "free" trade.
Norway had a 2008 nominal GDP of 102000$ son, and guess what? it isn't part of this European Union "free" trade fetish.
Main reason for that horrible depression is that the money was deflated by over 90%. Watch the Money Masters in my signature for more Info.
Norway, Son, is a member of the the European Free Trade Association along with Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein and participates with the EU single market through the European Economic Area (EEA) accord. Norway has also adopted the rules for importing from the EU, it also imports and exports greatly with the United States.
Norway also has no rules keeping people from investing in its country.
So, Son, Norway is a beautifull example of free trade in action. You might want to actually check out the shit you sprout son before you do it.
Dumbfuck.
Hey jackass , Switzerland isn't a part of this "Free" Trade crap you're spewing too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
Norway is notorious for grave acts of Protectionism too. Well even after the formation of EEA , Libertardian.
http://www.aftenposten.no/engl...8447.ece?service=print
What about my earlier point of the 1870s depression being manipulated by the contraction of currency not Tariff, :roll:
Did you miss where I stated Switzerland was part of the European Free Trade Association...
Yeah, you must have missed that. It's ok, I repeated it for you.
Norway is a free trade country, sorry.
For someone who has to use wiki to discuss his values, I won't even bother discussing the 1870 depression with you since you obviously know nothing about it besides "zomg devaluing currency!"
The issue of contracting Currency is cited from the documentary the Money Masters not the mainstream Wikipedia. Just admit it, "free" trade is nothing more than a myth perpetuated by money/power hungry corporatists, who wish return much of civilization from a capitalist state to a fuedalistic one.
Well, glad you finally dumped your idiotic assertions that Switzerland and Norway were somehow protectionist states :laugh:
On to your other misplaced idea.
The Depression was a price depression not a production depression which instantly removes some misplaced idea of any policy of production as the cause. A combination of events from France having to pay for the Franco-Prussian war, to the US attempting to get back to gold standard, to the collapse of the Vienna stock exchange.
Due to this a time of protectionism was enacted that was only broken with the second industrial revolution that also marked the end of protectionism until 1930.
Your argument is hollow and void of any real history. Christ you are mis-informed.
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
You're ignoring my point on China and a result of a "consumer" economy as a result of "free" trade.
What point was that? You didn't make one. You stated China is loosing ground due to a lack of spending, which has exactly what to do with the problem of free trade?
Heres a question, where would China be without free trade? Still eating rice from bowls as 99% of its society lived in agricultural land. Even *if* China's economy contracted say....40% they would still be better off because of free trade.
You are trying to tie economic cycles and economic reasoning to a direct result of free trade which makes no sense. It's as if you don't even have a basic understand of what free trade is, what markets are, what are some of the reasons of this downturn, why china factories are closing among other things.
So if you have a point about China, I would love to hear it, as such you just rambled on about something that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
If you look at how the Soviet Union got to become a superpower it was through rapid industrialization, and modernization like the hydroelectric power plant in Ukraine. China was backwards society based on leaders after its Communist revolution.
Industrialization, modernization, and advanced technology through scientific ambitions like space travel (internet came out of this), is the key to gaining a successful economy, not some libertarian monetarist fetish of "free" trade.
Norway had a 2008 nominal GDP of 102000$ son, and guess what? it isn't part of this European Union "free" trade fetish.
Main reason for that horrible depression is that the money was deflated by over 90%. Watch the Money Masters in my signature for more Info.
Norway, Son, is a member of the the European Free Trade Association along with Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein and participates with the EU single market through the European Economic Area (EEA) accord. Norway has also adopted the rules for importing from the EU, it also imports and exports greatly with the United States.
Norway also has no rules keeping people from investing in its country.
So, Son, Norway is a beautifull example of free trade in action. You might want to actually check out the shit you sprout son before you do it.
Dumbfuck.
Hey jackass , Switzerland isn't a part of this "Free" Trade crap you're spewing too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
Norway is notorious for grave acts of Protectionism too. Well even after the formation of EEA , Libertardian.
http://www.aftenposten.no/engl...8447.ece?service=print
What about my earlier point of the 1870s depression being manipulated by the contraction of currency not Tariff, :roll:
Did you miss where I stated Switzerland was part of the European Free Trade Association...
Yeah, you must have missed that. It's ok, I repeated it for you.
Norway is a free trade country, sorry.
For someone who has to use wiki to discuss his values, I won't even bother discussing the 1870 depression with you since you obviously know nothing about it besides "zomg devaluing currency!"
The issue of contracting Currency is cited from the documentary the Money Masters not the mainstream Wikipedia. Just admit it, "free" trade is nothing more than a myth perpetuated by money/power hungry corporatists, who wish return much of civilization from a capitalist state to a fuedalistic one.
Well, glad you finally dumped your idiotic assertions that Switzerland and Norway were somehow protectionist states :laugh:
On to your other misplaced idea.
The Depression was a price depression not a production depression which instantly removes some misplaced idea of any policy of production as the cause. A combination of events from France having to pay for the Franco-Prussian war, to the US attempting to get back to gold standard, to the collapse of the Vienna stock exchange.
Due to this a time of protectionism was enacted that was only broken with the second industrial revolution that also marked the end of protectionism until 1930.
Your argument is hollow and void of any real history. Christ you are mis-informed.
Nonsense, Half the world's wealth was in the US during the late 1800s and early 1900s. This was all a result of the US having a policy of Mercantilism, and making useful physical commodities the world wanted. Not some "free" trade monetarist fetish of making money out of money and/or debt.
I've already proven to you that Norway is a protectionist country not fond of the "free" trade fetish to the extent of the United States and most 3rd worlders. And lemme guess you're a reactionary when it comes to spending money in updating the infrastructure and a mass transit system like magnetic levitation with governement money and programs, because it isn't "free" market.
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: K3N
Originally posted by: RichardE
The same Soviet Union that bought goods from all the states under its "sphere" of power? And still collapsed from the strain?
What do the swiss have to do with anything on this topic? I'm sure we have American Cheese, so I guess we are good there.
You're ignoring my point on China and a result of a "consumer" economy as a result of "free" trade.
What point was that? You didn't make one. You stated China is loosing ground due to a lack of spending, which has exactly what to do with the problem of free trade?
Heres a question, where would China be without free trade? Still eating rice from bowls as 99% of its society lived in agricultural land. Even *if* China's economy contracted say....40% they would still be better off because of free trade.
You are trying to tie economic cycles and economic reasoning to a direct result of free trade which makes no sense. It's as if you don't even have a basic understand of what free trade is, what markets are, what are some of the reasons of this downturn, why china factories are closing among other things.
So if you have a point about China, I would love to hear it, as such you just rambled on about something that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
If you look at how the Soviet Union got to become a superpower it was through rapid industrialization, and modernization like the hydroelectric power plant in Ukraine. China was backwards society based on leaders after its Communist revolution.
Industrialization, modernization, and advanced technology through scientific ambitions like space travel (internet came out of this), is the key to gaining a successful economy, not some libertarian monetarist fetish of "free" trade.
Norway had a 2008 nominal GDP of 102000$ son, and guess what? it isn't part of this European Union "free" trade fetish.
Main reason for that horrible depression is that the money was deflated by over 90%. Watch the Money Masters in my signature for more Info.
Norway, Son, is a member of the the European Free Trade Association along with Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein and participates with the EU single market through the European Economic Area (EEA) accord. Norway has also adopted the rules for importing from the EU, it also imports and exports greatly with the United States.
Norway also has no rules keeping people from investing in its country.
So, Son, Norway is a beautifull example of free trade in action. You might want to actually check out the shit you sprout son before you do it.
Dumbfuck.
Hey jackass , Switzerland isn't a part of this "Free" Trade crap you're spewing too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
Norway is notorious for grave acts of Protectionism too. Well even after the formation of EEA , Libertardian.
http://www.aftenposten.no/engl...8447.ece?service=print
What about my earlier point of the 1870s depression being manipulated by the contraction of currency not Tariff, :roll:
Did you miss where I stated Switzerland was part of the European Free Trade Association...
Yeah, you must have missed that. It's ok, I repeated it for you.
Norway is a free trade country, sorry.
For someone who has to use wiki to discuss his values, I won't even bother discussing the 1870 depression with you since you obviously know nothing about it besides "zomg devaluing currency!"
The issue of contracting Currency is cited from the documentary the Money Masters not the mainstream Wikipedia. Just admit it, "free" trade is nothing more than a myth perpetuated by money/power hungry corporatists, who wish return much of civilization from a capitalist state to a fuedalistic one.
Well, glad you finally dumped your idiotic assertions that Switzerland and Norway were somehow protectionist states :laugh:
On to your other misplaced idea.
The Depression was a price depression not a production depression which instantly removes some misplaced idea of any policy of production as the cause. A combination of events from France having to pay for the Franco-Prussian war, to the US attempting to get back to gold standard, to the collapse of the Vienna stock exchange.
Due to this a time of protectionism was enacted that was only broken with the second industrial revolution that also marked the end of protectionism until 1930.
Your argument is hollow and void of any real history. Christ you are mis-informed.
Nonsense, Half the world's wealth was in the US during the late 1800s and early 1900s. This was all a result of the US having a policy of Mercantilism, and making useful physical commodities the world wanted. Not some "free" trade monetarist fetish of making money out of money and/or debt.
I've already proven to you that Norway is a protectionist country not fond of the "free" trade fetish to the extent of the United States and most 3rd worlders. And lemme guess you're a reactionary when it comes to spending money in updating the infrastructure and a mass transit system like magnetic levitation with governement money and programs, because it isn't "free" market.
You tried to prove that a state that belongs to multiple "free trade" associations is a protectionist country.
You lack any real knowledge of the depression at all.
Maybe you and nemesis can go discuss the end of the world together since you don't really know anything else besides some "conspiracy theories".
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jesus christ the nested quotes have gotten out of hand in here.
the other thing about middle class is that it's sure a hell of a lot nicer being middle class now than it was in the 1970s. i'd take a middle class car of today over a middle class car from the 70s every day of the week and twice on sundays.
and i have to be suspicious of any household income study. divorces have gone up. i'm going to guess that households are smaller than they were back in the 70s, with a much greater number of single adults at any one time.
the other thing about middle class is that it's sure a hell of a lot nicer being middle class now than it was in the 1970s. i'd take a middle class car of today over a middle class car from the 70s every day of the week and twice on sundays.
and i have to be suspicious of any household income study. divorces have gone up. i'm going to guess that households are smaller than they were back in the 70s, with a much greater number of single adults at any one time.
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