The Economist endorses Obama

JS80

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this comment pretty much sums it up

The Economist used to support basic, free-market and free-trade principles. Now you support the Socialist candidate. I have dropped my subscription years ago, as your magazine become too mainstream and adopted the sophisticate "economics can be used to justify any bit of socialism" point of view.

How far The Economist has fallen....
 

Moonbeam

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"He has earned it

So Mr Obama in that respect is a gamble. But the same goes for Mr McCain on at least as many counts, not least the possibility of President Palin. And this cannot be another election where the choice is based merely on fear. In terms of painting a brighter future for America and the world, Mr Obama has produced the more compelling and detailed portrait. He has campaigned with more style, intelligence and discipline than his opponent. Whether he can fulfil his immense potential remains to be seen. But Mr Obama deserves the presidency."

Go Obama!
 

MikeyLSU

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weird endorsement. Seems like they don't really like him, but hate McCain, and will take the chance.
 

BigDH01

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Originally posted by: JS80
this comment pretty much sums it up

The Economist used to support basic, free-market and free-trade principles. Now you support the Socialist candidate. I have dropped my subscription years ago, as your magazine become too mainstream and adopted the sophisticate "economics can be used to justify any bit of socialism" point of view.

How far The Economist has fallen....

Explain Socialism to me and explain why Obama is a Socialist. I've requested this of about three or four different people now and have yet to receive an answer.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: JS80
this comment pretty much sums it up

The Economist used to support basic, free-market and free-trade principles. Now you support the Socialist candidate. I have dropped my subscription years ago, as your magazine become too mainstream and adopted the sophisticate "economics can be used to justify any bit of socialism" point of view.

How far The Economist has fallen....

So what? It doesn't address a single argument made in the article, and every message board and comments sections on the internet is littered with spoonfed wingnuts posting their idiotic talking points and ignorance of basic economic principles.


edit: and to sum up this excellent article, it basically comes down to this. If the old Senator John McCain that we have long known were the one running, the Economist would have supported him. But instead, we have this once-Maverick who now panders to the far right on social issues like abortion instead of addressing (or even trying to understand) the pressing economic issues of the day, and seems negative and out-of-touch. In this regard, he is not demonstrating the leadership qualities the Economist feels is necessary at this time. In the meantime, while Obama's resume is bit thin for this job, and some of his politics may be suspect, he has run an exemplary grassroots campaign, surrounded himself with the best advisers in all their respective fields and listens to them, demonstrated a strong leadership ability that is both pragmatic and effective, even under pressure, and is full of immense potential and optimism. As such, he deserves the job more than McCain.

That basically sums up the article, and I agree.
 

microbial

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Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
weird endorsement. Seems like they don't really like him, but hate McCain, and will take the chance.

Here is the important point (sorry i had to run-out just as I was posting, so I cut off short)...

One can be a cultural warrior, and maybe that's the reason you won't vote for Obama--Fair enough...

If on the other hand you believe McCain's rhetoric on his tax ideas and his economic plan vs. Obama's--here is a rebuttal from people who know--not the screaming heads on the all-nut channels constantly shouting SOCIALIST, just for effect.

Speaking of McCain The Economist says:

Yet on the great issue of the campaign, the financial crisis, he has seemed all at sea, emitting panic and indecision. Mr McCain has never been particularly interested in economics, but, unlike Mr Obama, he has made little effort to catch up or to bring in good advisers (Doug Holtz-Eakin being the impressive exception).
 

jpeyton

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+1 for Obama.

The freight train keeps on chugging.
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
+1 for Obama.

The freight train keeps on chugging.


A few more days, and it will be time for the Messiah to work his miracles. Lets see if "sharing the wealth" and taxing companies that employ millions of people will help the masses. If not, and the economy only gets worst, at least we can say that with million dollar ads, and broken promises, he was able to fool the citizens of this great nation...
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: jpeyton
+1 for Obama.

The freight train keeps on chugging.


A few more days, and it will be time for the Messiah to work his miracles. Lets see if "sharing the wealth" and taxing companies that employ millions of people will help the masses. If not, and the economy only gets worst, at least we can say that with million dollar ads, and broken promises, he was able to fool the citizens of this great nation...

yea im sure Obama will crash our economy with taxes in the first 90 days.

i can just see it now

"corporations now pay 85% tax on profit!!!!!!"

"poor rejoice in redistributed wealth, use corporation's money to wipe their asses"
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: JS80
this comment pretty much sums it up

The Economist used to support basic, free-market and free-trade principles. Now you support the Socialist candidate. I have dropped my subscription years ago, as your magazine become too mainstream and adopted the sophisticate "economics can be used to justify any bit of socialism" point of view.

How far The Economist has fallen....

you realize that obama is the free trade, 'free market' candidate, right?
 
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Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: jpeyton
+1 for Obama.

The freight train keeps on chugging.


A few more days, and it will be time for the Messiah to work his miracles. Lets see if "sharing the wealth" and taxing companies that employ millions of people will help the masses. If not, and the economy only gets worst, at least we can say that with million dollar ads, and broken promises, he was able to fool the citizens of this great nation...

yea im sure Obama will crash our economy with taxes in the first 90 days.

i can just see it now

"corporations now pay 85% tax on profit!!!!!!"

"poor rejoice in redistributed wealth, use corporation's money to wipe their asses"

Obama uses voodoo economics to revive Lenin's corpse; ensuing rampage claims thousands of lives.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: jpeyton
+1 for Obama.

The freight train keeps on chugging.


A few more days, and it will be time for the Messiah to work his miracles. Lets see if "sharing the wealth" and taxing companies that employ millions of people will help the masses. If not, and the economy only gets worst, at least we can say that with million dollar ads, and broken promises, he was able to fool the citizens of this great nation...

all taxes are sharing the wealth.
 

Butterbean

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" Whether he can fulfil his immense potential remains to be seen. But Mr Obama deserves the presidency."

Wha..? Why does he "deserve the presidency" after 150 days in congress?

That read like Colin Powell. Powell wanted Obama because he is not white and then had to scrimmage up reasons why it wasn't just color - this endorsement seems of the same template. The supporting arguments here for Obama are mostly smoke made to look there was profound consideration that went into the decision. They lament McCains rash decisions and then say "hey gamble on unknown Obama in case he has potential". They mention none of his ideas in any substantive context. Sad to read people self hypnotising themselves but thats the media these days and they are just a monolith pretty much.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
"He has earned it

So Mr Obama in that respect is a gamble. But the same goes for Mr McCain on at least as many counts, not least the possibility of President Palin. And this cannot be another election where the choice is based merely on fear. In terms of painting a brighter future for America and the world, Mr Obama has produced the more compelling and detailed portrait. He has campaigned with more style, intelligence and discipline than his opponent. Whether he can fulfil his immense potential remains to be seen. But Mr Obama deserves the presidency."

Go Obama!

Would you like some pom poms? :laugh:

I hope you see the humor. :D

But in reality, how much can any one president make? Sure he has potential, but a lot of people do. It will take more than just Obama for it to turn around. Not to mention personally I'm quite worried what a man can do with wielding so much power in regards to having democratic control of Congress and the Senate.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
" Whether he can fulfil his immense potential remains to be seen. But Mr Obama deserves the presidency."

Wha..? Why does he "deserve the presidency" after 150 days in congress?

That read like Colin Powell. Powell wanted Obama because he is not white and then had to scrimmage up reasons why it wasn't just color - this endorsement seems of the same template. The supporting arguments here for Obama are mostly smoke made to look there was profound consideration that went into the decision. They lament McCains rash decisions and then say "hey gamble on unknown Obama in case he has potential". They mention none of his ideas in any substantive context. Sad to read people self hypnotising themselves but thats the media these days and they are just a monolith pretty much.

your the beest parody poster


xoxoxoxoxoxoxxox
 

Budmantom

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I was listening to Rush this morning and he had a little story on how the Obama's campaign pays it's staffers to"infiltrate" on line forums and preach Obama's message(I'm not sure if anybody else heard it).

I didn't think too much of it, but I saw a posting from "microbial" a name I didn't recognize, only here since the 10th, 89 posts and only in P&N... so I searched and all his/her posts are Obama's talking points. I know the chances are slim and I know I've been suspicious of all of you on the left for a while ;) but if we had such a person....

I could very well be wrong but what are the chances ;)

 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
I was listening to Rush this morning and he had a little story on how the Obama's campaign pays it's staffers to"infiltrate" on line forums and preach Obama's message(I'm not sure if anybody else heard it).

I didn't think too much of it, but I saw a posting from "microbial" a name I didn't recognize, only here since the 10th, 89 posts and only in P&N... so I searched and all his/her posts are Obama's talking points. I know the chances are slim and I know I've been suspicious of all of you on the left for a while ;) but if we had such a person....

I could very well be wrong but what are the chances ;)

Rush is getting desperate too.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
I was listening to Rush this morning and he had a little story on how the Obama's campaign pays it's staffers to"infiltrate" on line forums and preach Obama's message(I'm not sure if anybody else heard it).

I didn't think too much of it, but I saw a posting from "microbial" a name I didn't recognize, only here since the 10th, 89 posts and only in P&N... so I searched and all his/her posts are Obama's talking points. I know the chances are slim and I know I've been suspicious of all of you on the left for a while ;) but if we had such a person....

I could very well be wrong but what are the chances ;)
I heard it and he was a little confusing.

I thought it was bitter HRC supporters that are fooling pollsters and artificially inflating the poll numbers to slant Obama?

or maybe he was talking about two separate things... :confused:
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
" Whether he can fulfil his immense potential remains to be seen. But Mr Obama deserves the presidency."

Wha..? Why does he "deserve the presidency" after 150 days in congress?

That read like Colin Powell. Powell wanted Obama because he is not white and then had to scrimmage up reasons why it wasn't just color - this endorsement seems of the same template. The supporting arguments here for Obama are mostly smoke made to look there was profound consideration that went into the decision. They lament McCains rash decisions and then say "hey gamble on unknown Obama in case he has potential". They mention none of his ideas in any substantive context. Sad to read people self hypnotising themselves but thats the media these days and they are just a monolith pretty much.

say it with me Butterbean!!

YES WE CAN!! YES WE CAN!! YES WE CAN!! YES WE CAN!! YES WE CAN!! YES WE CAN!!