The Dunning-Kruger Effect: The real problem with America

[Moonbeam]

Moonie...I know I'm being an insensitive dumbass...let's just chalk this one up as misery loves company...and the fact that I'm easily entertained.

Well I just think that while any of this can apply to anybody, anti intellectualism, the OPs contention, is definitely a phenomenon characterized by the right far more than the left. It doesn't mean the left is any more intellectually superior, perhaps, but the contempt for scientific or rational thinking is definitely right centered, in my opinion.

 

[daishi5]

This seems to be a very real problem. Too many on the right are too stupid to understand what their own intellectual shortfalls are. You see it on this forum every day. You see it in candidates such as Palin, O'Donnel, Angle...etc. You see these idiots shout from the rooftops without any logic, reason, or basis. They do it because they cannot understand they are stupid.

What's worse is that these are the people the stupid people are advocating.

We have fallen far as a population. Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Adams...etc, may not have all been the best educated, but they were smart. They were intelligent. They had logic. Now we think that the dumber the person, the better. It started with Reagan and rolled through to GW.

Why the battle against intellectualism? Because the stupid people are too stupid to understand they are too stupid to understand.

http://www.demsfightinwords.com/wordpress/?p=2837

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

You failed to read the article you linked

Although the Dunning–Kruger effect addresses erroneous perceptions of skill in general, not intelligence

You run off on a rant about how the right is not intelligent, using a link that says the effect does not describe intelligence.

And the Democrats seem to be very confident that they know how to run the government. Running a government is a form of a skill, the Dunning-Kruger effect says that people who are incompetent at a skill rate themselves as competent, and the democrats seem to believe they are competent at running the government.

The Republicans are the party of small government, and less government control. They are the ones who claim that when they are in charge in washington, they should not be running things. However, to be fair, when they are in charge, they prove themselves to be extremely incompetent.

 

[Moonbeam]

If you can't see that the European socialists are all about creating dependence and entitlement, then I feel very sorry for you. This effect is exhibited by both sides, by the way. Stupid people follow every leader.

Greece isn't all of Europe. The social democracies of Europe have some of the best living standards in the world and folk vote to pay high taxes to insure they are. When the rich finish eating America, they'll head that way for sure.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Stupid people on the left, stupid people on the right, but all you have to do is look at each extreme's most popular celebrities/candidates to see which side is advocating stupidity as a virtue. It's no contest, it's blatantly obvious, and you really have to be blindly partisan, ignorant, or one of the stupids themselves not to see it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Stupid people on the left, stupid people on the right, but all you have to do is look at each extreme's most popular celebrities/candidates to see which side is advocating stupidity as a virtue. It's no contest, it's blatantly obvious, and you really have to be blindly partisan, ignorant, or one of the stupids themselves not to see it.

Man...I LOVE THIS THREAD!!!!

 

[Moonbeam]

You failed to read the article you linked
Quote:
Although the Dunning–Kruger effect addresses erroneous perceptions of skill in general, not intelligence

You run off on a rant about how the right is not intelligent, using a link that says the effect does not describe intelligence.

And the Democrats seem to be very confident that they know how to run the government. Running a government is a form of a skill, the Dunning-Kruger effect says that people who are incompetent at a skill rate themselves as competent, and the democrats seem to believe they are competent at running the government.

The Republicans are the party of small government, and less government control. They are the ones who claim that when they are in charge in washington, they should not be running things. However, to be fair, when they are in charge, they prove themselves to be extremely incompetent.

I don't think so. In the bolded above, where you say 'not intelligence' that should be not just limited to intelligence but it definitely includes intelligence because intelligence is a skill or ability. And the example they use IS intelligence. So intelligence is a sub set of what the phenomenon describes and that subset is what the OP applied to the right. Nothing wrong there logically.

 

[Moonbeam]

Stupid people on the left, stupid people on the right, but all you have to do is look at each extreme's most popular celebrities/candidates to see which side is advocating stupidity as a virtue. It's no contest, it's blatantly obvious, and you really have to be blindly partisan, ignorant, or one of the stupids themselves not to see it.

I think you have to be one of the stupids to actually see what you said. I would want to give as my example Obama and Palin. Which of them is anti-intellectual and even perhaps rather mentally shallow?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I think you have to be one of the stupids to actually see what you said. I would want to give as my example Obama and Palin. Which of them is anti-intellectual and even perhaps rather mentally shallow?

Clearly Obama is a dimwit and Palin is a genius. It's just obvious.

 

[Mursilis]

Stupid people on the left, stupid people on the right, but all you have to do is look at each extreme's most popular celebrities/candidates to see which side is advocating stupidity as a virtue. It's no contest, it's blatantly obvious, and you really have to be blindly partisan, ignorant, or one of the stupids themselves not to see it.

I don't know - which side says my healthcare should be free and/or paid for by others?

 

[Mursilis]

I think you have to be one of the stupids to actually see what you said. I would want to give as my example Obama and Palin. Which of them is anti-intellectual and even perhaps rather mentally shallow?

Both are con artists, but targeting different segments. One is targeting those too stupid to realize they're being conned because they're stupid, and the other is targeting those too stupid to realize they're being conned because they're "smart".

 

[Atreus21]

Why? Only one side actively champions joe six pack and mocks my opinions.

Fixed.

 

[Jaskalas]

I don't know - which side says my healthcare should be free and/or paid for by others?

The side that says everything else you need is also a freely given "right".

 

[Scotteq]

Stupid people on the left, stupid people on the right, but all you have to do is look at each extreme's most popular celebrities/candidates to see which side is advocating stupidity as a virtue. It's no contest, it's blatantly obvious, and you really have to be blindly partisan, ignorant, or one of the stupids themselves not to see it.

If that was a question, then the only fair answer is clearly "Both Of Them" :whiste:

 

[Moonbeam]

Clearly Obama is a dimwit and Palin is a genius. It's just obvious.

Thank you, I knew you'd see who is what.

 

[BoberFett]

Both are con artists, but targeting different segments. One is targeting those too stupid to realize they're being conned because they're stupid, and the other is targeting those too stupid to realize they're being conned because they're "smart".

:biggrin: :thumbsup:

 

[shira]

It appears that the OP suffered from the Dunning-Kruger effect while attempting to apply the Dunning-Kruger effect:

Gee, aren't you always filled with certainty about everything you write?

 

[Atreus21]

At what point was it declared that the left had intellectualism firmly in its corner? What about your ideas are so staggeringly intellectual to render all opposition stupid?

This is truly bigoted. You believe that only the stupids can conceivably disagree with you.

 

[Moonbeam]

At what point was it declared that the left had intellectualism firmly in its corner? What about your ideas are so staggeringly intellectual to render all opposition stupid?

This is truly bigoted. You believe that only the stupids can conceivably disagree with you.

To whom is this addressed? The point I saw and agreed with is that the right is anti-intellectual. I am too. But the right argues that intelligence doesn't amount to anything whereas I don't think it amounts to everything. So whereas intellectualism doesn't guarantee being right, being stupid guarantees that the only time you are ever right is by accident.

 

[woolfe9999]

To whom is this addressed? The point I saw and agreed with is that the right is anti-intellectual. I am too. But the right argues that intelligence doesn't amount to anything whereas I don't think it amounts to everything. So whereas intellectualism doesn't guarantee being right, being stupid guarantees that the only time you are ever right is by accident.

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Well I just think that while any of this can apply to anybody, anti intellectualism, the OPs contention, is definitely a phenomenon characterized by the right far more than the left. It doesn't mean the left is any more intellectually superior, perhaps, but the contempt for scientific or rational thinking is definitely right centered, in my opinion.

This.

- wolf

 

[CycloWizard]

Gee, aren't you always filled with certainty about everything you write?

You seem very certain about that assertion yourself.

 

[LegendKiller]

You start out with a valid point, but immediately turn it into a partisan troll post. Nice work. It's not as if the Left doesn't have the same issue, promising all sorts of "free" lunches and creating senses of entitlement and dependency. Just look at Greece for an example of left-leaning idiocracy.

A "free lunch" is a far cry from the lunacy of irrationality pervading the right. This irrationality is highlighted by Beck, Palin, O'Donnel, Angle, and their ilk. What's sad is that you still are too stupid to even admit that this is the truth. This is the Dunning-Kruger effect. While it may not apply directly to intelligent, but to skill, being self honest and logical is a skill and you and your ilk lack them.

Do I fall into this? No, because I continue to learn and reason. If you look at my posts from many years ago I did actually support Bush somewhat. I voted for him in 2001. I supported Iraq. I then realize that the whole thing was one giant circlejerk. That we had actually voted in the dumber candidate. We had actually accepted that the smarter one had to seem dumber to be acceptable to the masses.

I realized this when I was studying for my CFA, when my wife had cancer, and when I hated my job. I realized their had to be a better way.


"Free lunches" are the hate that the right spews these days. They think those less fortunate are lazy. Some are, but so are some "rich" people whose "free lunch" is had on your back. This is where you are even more stupid, because you can't even realize the position you are advocating isn't even one that benefits you. This is not intelligence, it is the lack of skill to reason that the last 10 years have utterly trashed this country. Not because of free lunches to the poor, but free lunches to the rich.

I was discussing this batshit crazy bitch at work today with a guy who graduated from Cornell. He's quite proud of his university and actually thinks that this is spot-on correct. I then had him read some news articles about O'Donnel. Really, how can't anybody think that this bitch shouldn't be anywhere near public office?

Yet people on here thinks she's just hunky dory. Why? Because there is a war on intellectualism going on now. Those who can toss out the biggest sound bites and be the biggest fucking morons on the planet, appeal to the section of the population that can reason the least. They lack the skill to understand that electing a batshit crazy fuckwit is NOT good for you. This is also why Palin is still relevant.

People like you are pathetic for the self-denial you spew. You are pathetic for falling into the Dunning-Kruger Effect. You are the reason why this country is having problems.

 

[LegendKiller]

At what point was it declared that the left had intellectualism firmly in its corner? What about your ideas are so staggeringly intellectual to render all opposition stupid?

This is truly bigoted. You believe that only the stupids can conceivably disagree with you.

Sorry, but the right is the bigoted side. Only somebody against intellectualism would forward two candidates of such marginal intelligence, ability, and education, as Palin and O'Donnel. They are hypocrites, ignorant fools, and are lauded as geniuses by the right. That is the epitome of Dunning Kruger. You guys lack the skills to reason that your position is unreasonable.

 

[JSt0rm]

I agree 100% LK thanks for posting this.

 

[bfdd]

This seems to be a very real problem. Too many on the right are too stupid to understand what their own intellectual shortfalls are. You see it on this forum every day. You see it in candidates such as Palin, O'Donnel, Angle...etc. You see these idiots shout from the rooftops without any logic, reason, or basis. They do it because they cannot understand they are stupid.

What's worse is that these are the people the stupid people are advocating.

We have fallen far as a population. Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Adams...etc, may not have all been the best educated, but they were smart. They were intelligent. They had logic. Now we think that the dumber the person, the better. It started with Reagan and rolled through to GW.

Why the battle against intellectualism? Because the stupid people are too stupid to understand they are too stupid to understand.

http://www.demsfightinwords.com/wordpress/?p=2837

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

pot meet kettle?

 

[LegendKiller]

pot meet kettle?

How so? Do you suddenly assume that a 3 word post refutes anything I said. Ohh, wait, naturally you think your assertion is correct because you think it is correct.

See how we can play that game over and over again. Rather than backing anything up with logic, or skill, you and your ilk post stupid shit like this.